Party Supplies Remaining
2x backpack
2x bedroll
1x bell
2x blanket
3x barrels of foodstuffs (jerky, fish) (enough food for six people for a week)
1x 10 foot chain
1x large empty chest - Contains 10 gp, 4 sp, 1 cp
10x firewood (daily)
2x hammers
1x hourglass (hour)
3x vials of ink
2x cooking kits
4x empty books for mapping
2x riding saddle
2x light horse (mount for Gathien? Assuming a riding dog added to list and a horse removed...)
1x sealing wax
1x pavilion
1x cart and heavy horse
8x waterskins
Also removed the Waterskin I already had and added the 1 gp to the chest.
Edit: Also, how long we going to give Rorgrym to respond as to if he's joining us?
Edit 2: Peregrine and Rorgrym/Evan are all that remain for browsing party gear.
Peregrine will avail himself of the following
1 backpack
1 bedroll
1 riding saddle
1 light horse
1 waterskin
He will add the following to the party store.
1 crowbar
10 fishhooks
1 grappling hook
5 inkpens
1 miner's pick
1 shovel
1 10-foot pole
Party Supplies Remaining
1x backpack
1x bedroll
1x bell
1x blanket
3x barrels of foodstuffs (jerky, fish) (enough food for six people for a week)
1x 10 foot chain
1x large empty chest - Contains 10 gp, 4 sp, 1 cp
10x firewood (daily)
1x grappling hook
2x hammers
1x crowbar
1x miner's pick
1x shovel
1x 10-foot pole
1x hourglass (hour)
3x vials of ink
5x inkpens
2x cooking kits
10x fishhook
4x empty books for mapping
1x riding saddle
1x light horse (mount for Gathien? Assuming a riding dog added to list and a horse removed...)
1x sealing wax
1x pavilion
1x cart and heavy horse
7x waterskins
Peregrine would likely suggest before setting out, that if individual's funds allow for it and given the reputation of the Stolen Lands, that investing in a cold iron weapon of some sort might be a prudent precaution.
Assuming that I can get a size-appropriate mount (pony or riding dog), then Gathien will grab:
- Mount, Saddle
- Book for Mapping
- BlanketI'll store most of that on the mount, as to leave the party stuff on the cart... (At the same time, I'll transfer some of my rations to it as well, to ensure I'm not so close to the medium-load line)
Just a reminder: My base move is 30 because of Fast Movement, so I'll not be slowing anyone down we're on foot.
I'm sorry, I forgot we had a small-sized party member (yay sickness) - yes, you get an appropriately-sized mount; a pony, to be precise.
Rorgrym has not given any response in over 24 hours. I'll extend the deadline ever so slightly because I just woke up and am still sick - but I will have this campaign up and running by the end of the day.
Remaining party supplies noted in my profile.
Snazzy, one pony. Check.
Gathien'll keep his rope on him (rather than put it on the wagon) - I'd rather have it available most of the time - it's within my weight allowance now, after all.
Keep in mind that the supplies are as listed - you can't sell any of it during the pre-adventure stage, just fix your own purchases so you don't waste gold on materials you're given through the donation. (if that makes sense).
Which does remind me, I forgot to add rope to the supply list.
150 feet of rope - 1 gp per 50 feet.
I will work on the intro post shortly, and put it so that if Rorgrym does join us, he will join you at the Outpost - so you have a day of travelling as you set out from Restov. Any complaints?
I was also thinking, is anybody planning on sticking to one weapon type throughout the campaign?
Kragath will likely stick to Longsword and Shield. Also, I guess you mean for us to return the gold value of items we already had to ourselves as opposed to a communal fund? If so I will adjust the party supply list.
Yes. My intention was that either, you keep the item you bought already and "sell" the equivalent in the supplies for a communal fund - or you take what you need from the supplies so the gold you personally spent to buy said items can instead be used for personal goods.
Urgh, I realise how confusing this sounds. I apologise.
I'm all for the idea of starting the rp and still giving Rorgrym a chance to join. Good idea.
Ingle is probably going to focus on bombs and the sling (with poison). Though, actually, now that I think about it, a blowgun might be pretty cool in that respect as well... I might just go that route instead, though it'll be useless until he gets poisons.
That's my current plan, though it may change once I see how they actually work in combat.
Edit: Also, I looked at Obsidian Portal for the group journal. Though it's very cool, it's probably too much for our needs. If no one objects I'll just keep the journal at the bottom of my profile page.
Ok so it was an option. Communal fund or personal, our choice, right? In that case, I will still put the gold value into the communal fund. If anybody would rather have kept their gold value tell me and I'll remove that value off my profile.
Because of Kragath and Jonas's status as, essentially, nobility (or have some status due to your names), I am planning that the two of you are leading this expedition - any objections to this?
No ooc problem with that. IC'ly this will be the Great Farwen Expedition, as for as Ingle is concerned. ;)
That's fine with me. Jonas Medvyed expects to be a leader :-).
I had expected to have many a conversation with Jonas regarding planning this expedition anyway, so this is fine with me.
Again, please refrain from OOC-only posts in the IC thread.
Gathien'll stay with 2-handed weapons -- though he's not married to the Greataxe and may switch to the Greatsword at a later time... Staff-sling might be another thing, just because slings (and the like) automatically adjust to his strength score (rage or not).
In terms of the charter, it makes sense -- Gathien seeks to make a name for himself, he doesn't think he has one now.
Choice of leadership is fine. Though Peregrine is from a minor House I can think of a several good reasons he wouldn't be picked (if not having a tie to the one of the Great Houses or the Swordlords wasn't enough). His preference is to advise anyway.
Speaking of nobility, I'm curious about forms of address. Peregrine's pretty traditional and would most likely address others in the most proper manner. How does rank and title work in Brevoy, just the basics anyway. And to the other players, what do you think is appropriate address for your character?
From what I can gather, English honorifics (Ser, King, Queen, Baron, Duke, Count, Knight, ect.) are commonplace in Brevoy.
What I'm looking to "plan" for our first move is basically to learn if anybody has any existing knowledge of the Greenbelt region, both geographically as well as to what this trading post has going on for it. Most of our real planning will probably have to be done once we arrive there.
Patcher, I'm curious as to how you handle a Paladin's code of conduct. Different DM's seem to have different expectations as to what is expected of them. I've been in games where DM's allow Paladin's of other alignments, but must be the same as their Gods on one end of the scale, and others expect them to basically live a life of essentially a monk, and if they deviate even slightly from the code they are stripped of their abilities.
Basically, I intend to continue to have Kragath act like he has thus far, but am wondering exactly what sort of actions in this setting (first go round with it, usually play in homebrew settings) would be considered a breech of the code of conduct?
I notice the date on the Charter is Calistril 24, which translates to February 24 (according to Pathfinderwiki). Are we dealing with cold weather and snow on the ground and such? I'm not sure what our overall latitude is.
Well, I personally have a standard for Paladins, so what I express below is my opinion on the matter:
"Additionally, a paladin's code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honour (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents."
There is no "greater good" for a Paladin. The goal of a paladin is to protect all innocence while combatting the evil threatening to destroy it. They are the light of dawn, the beacon of hope. If they must choose between upholding the Law or doing what's Right (Good), they always choose the latter. Because of the code, they must be Lawful; because they embody and stand for all that is good, they must be Good.
Keep in mind that Paladins are not the traditional "knight in shining armour", nor do they uphold a code of chivalry - Cavaliers henceforth have that role (as per the classes - individual characters, of course, may differ). Paladins do not necessarily have to "respect authority" - if the Law or the authority goes against your values of what is Right, you do not obey.
It doesn't mean paladins have to be fanatics working to root out all evil every waking second of every day - as long as they abide to the values of what is Right (Good - the sanctity of life, the purity of innocence, ect.) and actively fight evil when it is a threat, they fulfill the obligation as per their Code. It does not mean they have to be Lawful Stupid.
That is how I interpret the Code of Conduct. But since you are the player, you're free to contest what doesn't quite make sense for Kragath. You're the player, and we're here to make this an epic quest for all of you, and for that I will change what is necessary.
@Ingle: The date is actually directly from the adventure path, and nowhere does it say that it takes place during the winter. Looking at the months, I'd interpret with the Pathfinder God theme that Winter starts in September and ends in December (since Rovagug's Month is September and Zon-Kuthon's is December - the god of destruction rings in winter, the god of pain and suffering reminds us that all that suffers eventually comes to an end).
In either case, February/Calistril in Brevoy is not winter, by the Adventure Path.
@DM Patcher:
Gathien is from the area, but as he has no ranks in Knowledge (Local) or (Geography) as such I've assumed he really only knows his own village and the fact he took a boat up the Shrike to get to the city -- however, if he should have any insight based on his origins, please let me know.
Will do, Gathien.
Update on the 6th member. Rorgrym has agreed to join us and should post here soon.
Glad to hear it.
Cool deal. Unless Peregrine has any insight into the journey, I'm ready to "call it a night" and be ready to get on the road at dawn. Don't wanna leave him just watching for long.
I agree. There will be plenty of time for talking once we reach Oleg's, I'm sure.
The pace is yours - though I will up it if it goes too slowly. Let's wait for Peregrine and then travel to Oleg's - the journey will conveniently then take as long as Rorgrym needs to report for duty.
If anyone has anything else to discuss with Kragath feel free to seek him out in his room (obviously applies to Patcher for NPC interaction as well). Kragath is simply ready to begin the journey, and is not keen on possibly handing out judgement on someone for the first time. He'll lose this naïveté eventually, but for now the idea seems daunting.
I do have a question for all of you, about the theme and tone of the campaign.
I personally am very fond of realism and grit - similar to that of A Song of Ice and Fire. Since I wish to involve some political intrigue to this campaign (I'm thinking you'll each get a noble house or advance in the ones you have, for starters), I think I could do this moderately well.
However, ASoIaF is a little too grim for some people. I don't know if any of you have read it, but it isn't romantic in the sense of the arts. Some players prefer the high fantasy route, with vivid colours and the fantastic.
Which do you prefer? I personally prefer the dark and brown, so to speak, but I don't want to push it in that direction if you prefer fantastic.
Never read that, but I do think that personally, I think political intrigue is great. As to the tone, I like the idea of, from a PC perspective, things may seem dark, but they strive to make the world better than what they must face. Like, to the average man, they may be living in Camelot. But to the leadership, we know full well how hard it is to maintain the way of life we all enjoy, and sometimes it may seem impossible to do so.
I haven't read it either, but I've read things that I believe are like it. The Malazan Book of the Fallen comes to mind. Personally, I like a more realistic and gritty setting. Part of what I'm looking forward to with Ingle is seeing how he adjusts now that he's leaving the sheltered world of libraries, sitting rooms and laboratories behind.
I have no real problem with a real and gritty campaign as long as it doesn't descend into a hopeless grey mire (something that I find A Song of Ice and Fire is really dancing the line on at times... at least where the Stark family is concerned).
I'm not saying that we need a brightly-coloured world, but I would hope that no matter how grim the world is that we have the potential to actually make the world (or our corner of it) a better place.
Well, I wasn't planning on the eternal grey mire that is the equivalent of the Starks, to put it that way - but similar. Of course you're going to succeed - you're the heroes and the players, but it'd be with blood and sweat and tears
As long as we at least get the chances of Jon Snow (at least as far as Book 4, I know, I'm behind..) I'm all good. ;)
I have no problem with hard choices and hard-fought victories... it makes them that much sweeter -- it's when every victory turns to ash that I get less inspired.
I do have a question for all of you, about the theme and tone of the campaign.
I personally am very fond of realism and grit - similar to that of A Song of Ice and Fire. Since I wish to involve some political intrigue to this campaign (I'm thinking you'll each get a noble house or advance in the ones you have, for starters), I think I could do this moderately well.
However, ASoIaF is a little too grim for some people. I don't know if any of you have read it, but it isn't romantic in the sense of the arts. Some players prefer the high fantasy route, with vivid colours and the fantastic.
Which do you prefer? I personally prefer the dark and brown, so to speak, but I don't want to push it in that direction if you prefer fantastic.
I have read ASoIaF and the Malazan books and enjoyed them. I am fine with a gritty, political campaign.
Hello all again. Sorry for the delay, we lost the Internet at work today (my work cell has no Internet capabilities).
To add to what's gone on in a kind of sort of reverse order:
It took me a long time to slog thorugh ASoFaI. I enjoyed the plot but immensely disliked almost every character. For a "shades-of-grey" style writer you have to remember that you need white to make grey; otherwise, you just have black and Mr. Martin seemed to forget that every now and then. I'm not familiar with Malazan. That said, I don't mind a political/realism/gritty story at all.
Regarding gear, I'll return some duplicated items: Winter Blanket, Bedroll, Fishhook and remaining money which adds all of 9 SP to the group stash. I'll keep my Waterproof Sack and 50' of String and take a bedroll from the current gear (or, will do so when he actually meets up with the party).
In terms of mounts, Rorgrym is not a great rider...and that's when he has no gear. With his armor and stuff, he's terrible. He can ride as long as no roll is ever required. He's hoping that someone will have a wagon that he can then ride in or double up on a sturdy horse.
Thanks to the Travel domain, his ground speed is 30' so he can keep up with the longshanks. He also has Create Water as an Orison so that should never be an issue.
Lastly, Rorgrym is not yet with the party so he neither heard nor participated in the "Justice in the Wilds" discussion. DM Patcher can correct me if I'm wrong here but Rorgrym left the hall after the names were announced and you haven't seen him since.
Welcome, Rorgrym.
For the sake of consistency, I suggest that you haven't met the others yet (the feast that was roleplayed was mostly to judge your roleplaying capabilities, and not directly canon as per the campaign) - but you know the Swordlords, and most likely Kragath's father, and are like to see the similarities. The idea I had in mind is that Krovax, Kragath's father, convinced the council to hire Rorgrym to have somebody with determined healing powers in the group so his son wouldn't die.
At Oleg's, you have already established everything - a place for you all to sleep, and a deal with the trader for goods and wares to be sold (since you do need to establish an economy at some rate).
If any of you (Rorgrym in particular) dislike this idea, or would blatantly prefer that you all did meet and mingled at the feast, then that's fine - but the way it all played out (because of my stupidity) I think it would be easier this way, so we don't get a silly "Wait, you?" moment.
As for the mounts and riding, Rorgrym, you don't need to make ride checks for simple transport or riding through the countryside - it becomes a particular problem in combat or strenuous situations, though. Otherwise I would consider it far too ... hm, irritating that you'll have to remove your armour every time you're about to go on horseback, and don it when you're getting off.
I will aim for gritty and realistic since nobody has voiced opposition in that case. Your lives won't be as bleak as the Stark family's, of course, but you'll have some hardships. I'll aim for bleak and devastating - so work to be the Light! (or not)
Hey Rorgrym. I'm really glad you're joining us. It should be a blast.
I think we have a cart. I assume it could use a driver, so that may be an option. Otherwise, you're welcome to ride with Ingle (who has never ridden a horse, btw).
Also, I recommend the Malazan books if you ever come across them. I can't say how they compare to Ice and Fire as far as darkness, but there are several very likeable characters in there. I think you'd enjoy it.
I can go with having "not" met Rorgrym before. For simplicities sake, I will go ahead and make the adjustments to the party supply list in my profile. RP can work itself out later. Although you did list as having a bedroll, then taking a bedroll...kinda confused there, actually I'll wait for you to clarify that one little bit.
Maybe he's hoping to not sleep alone? :)
Welcome Rorgrym, glad you can make it. And no problem in terms of the not having met yet - we'll just have to RP meeting.
As to the feast, the way I figure I'll RP it, is that we all did meet at the feast, aside from Rorgrym, and anything that happened at the feast involving Rorgrym did not really happen.
As to the feast, the way I figure I'll RP it, is that we all did meet at the feast, aside from Rorgrym, and anything that happened at the feast involving Rorgrym did not really happen.
That sounds good to me as well.
Although you did list as having a bedroll, then taking a bedroll...kinda confused there, actually I'll wait for you to clarify that one little bit.
Erm...I like the color of the one better? Actually, I didn't mean to mention bedroll at all, in either sentence. I'm pulling a blanket out of storage (cheaper than the winter one which I shouldn't need) and I still did the math wrong anyways. I'll be contributing 8 SP not 9; sorry about that.
A dwarf who can't count money? Hundreds of fantasy writers are rolling in their graves. ;)
It's this blasted human money with your "base 10" counting system; throws a poor dwarf off.
lol. Nice save :)
Supply list updated.
As to the feast, the way I figure I'll RP it, is that we all did meet at the feast, aside from Rorgrym, and anything that happened at the feast involving Rorgrym did not really happen.That sounds good to me as well.
Agreed. We won't ask what was in the drinks the Swordlords gave us that caused dwarf-shaped hallucinations. :)