Does Hold Person work against corporations?


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title says it all.


love it.
there should be some kalistrate/abadaran corporate plot to subdue their commercial competition...
OH, and then there´s milani :-)

Liberty's Edge

Only in the courtroom.
-Kle.


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No. Soulless mindless abominations are immune to mind affecting spells.

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Klebert L. Hall wrote:

Only in the courtroom.

-Kle.

And, by extension, if a corporation is found guilty of a crime, how do you put it in prison? Does everyone have to go - from CEO to the janitor and every executive, exempt, hourly, and temporary employee in between? What about share holders? Do they also have to go to prison? They, after all, "own" the corporation. Often, share holders are, in fact, another corporation. Would all of the corporations involved, from the guilty corporation to the owning corporations all have to go to prison?

Oh, I remember now, corporations are "fined" at worst. In most cases, their crimes are simply ignored, so this isn't a scenario we'll ever have to concern ourselves with. We'll keep our focus on imprisoning poverty-stricken individuals who are arrested with an ounce of pot, instead.


Dear Customer,
To our regrets we have to inform you that our lawyers issued a restriction of approach to Mr. Ezren.
We hope that we can get your favor by lowering our prices on potions of cure light wounds by 10% for the next two weeks.
- signed, Evil Slave Traders & Co

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Red Wullf wrote:
We'll keep our focus on imprisoning poverty-stricken individuals who are arrested with an ounce of pot, instead.

If they had any sense, they would have incorporated.

-Kle.


This reminds me of a 'manapunk' D&D game I was in, in which Corporations were literally the corporal embodiment of the company.

Stockholders would invest xp, and that xp would 'incorporate' into a being who ran the entire thing. The higher the corporate value, the more xp available to the 'Corp' (so some of them got downright nasty in the name of stock value).

It also resulted in 'experience laundering', where someone migh invest a chunk of Fighter xp, and pull our a bunch of Wizard xp (after suitable fees and such), and so switch out some of their class levels.


Red Wullf wrote:
Klebert L. Hall wrote:

Only in the courtroom.

-Kle.

And, by extension, if a corporation is found guilty of a crime, how do you put it in prison? Does everyone have to go - from CEO to the janitor and every executive, exempt, hourly, and temporary employee in between? What about share holders? Do they also have to go to prison? They, after all, "own" the corporation. Often, share holders are, in fact, another corporation. Would all of the corporations involved, from the guilty corporation to the owning corporations all have to go to prison?

Nice... they don't pay taxes as a person either. Nor can they be accused of Assault, robbery, and other personal crimes. Sadly, law in the US does not ascribe to a Rectification of Names.

Best of Both, Worst of Neither.


A corporation has some rights and responsibilities of a person, but not all.
A corporation can own property and has to pay taxes on that property. A corporation can have income and has to pay taxes on that income at a rate specific to it.
A corporation cannot commit personal crimes, but neither can a corporation vote.
A corporation has no right to bodily integrity or privacy, and therefore also has no "residence" with all of the various benefits that that entails (including a variety of immunities, tax breaks, and priveleges in most jurisdictions).
A corporation has no right to exist, and can be destroyed by the State or by those who own and control it.

Note that, while a corporation itself may not be guilty of a crime, whoever actually committed that crime would be guilty -- and may also be sued by the shareholders for breaching fiduciary duty.


The supreme court thinks so.


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Corporations aren't of the humanoid type and so would require a hold monster spell.


Corporations would probably operate using the Swarm rules, so no. The spell would work on one of the comprising entities, but the rest of them would be unaffected.

Fireball, on the other hand...


Ambrus wrote:
Corporations aren't of the humanoid type and so would require a hold monster spell.

+1

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