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The Ki mystic is terribly badly written. It's simply just full of questions. I tried searching with Google and Paizo boards to find answers to these questions, but couldn't find any.
1) Does Ki Mystic ability replace Ki Pool ability? Doesn't say so.
2) Do the pools stack then? RAW yes, but seems bogus.
2.1) If they stack, can I use ki points from either pool to use any ki ability?
3) When I gain the ki mystic pool at 3rd level, can I use it to other means than +4 to knowledge rolls?
4) Can I take the Extra Ki feat at 3rd level even though I don't namely have the Ki Pool ability?
5) Possibly a lot more questions?
I look for answers that are RAW or clear the intention. I play PFS primarily so a house rule is out of the question.
My opinions and interpretations of the answers:
1) Practically yes.
2) No. Ki Mystic practically gives +2 ki points from level 4 onwards.
3) Mmmmaybe? I really don't know.
4) Yes. This is just a stupid oversight regarding requirements.
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1) Ki Mystic ability at 3rd level replaces Still Mind, and effectively renames the 4th level ability of Ki Pool (since the Ki Mystic ability specifically mentions your Ki pool, which you don't get from anything else) and allows you access to your Ki pool 1 level earlier.
2) the pools don't stack, since there is only one pool to begin with.
3) I'm not familiar with PFS rules, but the ability itself says you can use 1 point of Ki to add +4 to any skill or ability check, not just knowledge checks.
4) Yes, since you have a class feature that gives you a Ki pool.
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1) Ki Mystic ability at 3rd level replaces Still Mind, and effectively renames the 4th level ability of Ki Pool (since the Ki Mystic ability specifically mentions your Ki pool, which you don't get from anything else) and allows you access to your Ki pool 1 level earlier.
2) the pools don't stack, since there is only one pool to begin with.
3) I'm not familiar with PFS rules, but the ability itself says you can use 1 point of Ki to add +4 to any skill or ability check, not just knowledge checks.
4) Yes, since you have a class feature that gives you a Ki pool.
Regarding Q3 I meant that can I use the ki points to gain +4 AC for instance, like I could on level 4 with the ordinary ki pool ability.
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1). As its written, the ki mystic ki pool doesn't replace the monk ki pool. If you go as written, then you do have two separate ki pools.
2). However, in this case, you don't get to stack the pools together. They're still separate. The ki mystic entry doesn't mention anything about its ki pool granting access to any other abilities.
2.1). But then you run into ANOTHER wording problem. The core book entry allows the monk to access his extra abilities by "spending 1 point from his ki pool".
3). Arguably, with two ki pools, both with ki points, either one fulfills the requirements of activating these abilities.
4). However, the ki mystic doesn't grant the Ki Pool class feature. It instead grants a pool of ki points... yeah...
Now, SHOULD the ki mystic grant all those extra points? Probably not. If you're using the same dm for all your pfs games, talk to him about it. He should be able to tell you whether he wants to go by what makes sense, or by what the rules are actually saying.
If you'll be switching between dms a lot, you'll just have to ask a lot, or pick one interpretation and don't talk about it unless you're asked.
And I hope everyone will join with me in faq'ing this thread :p
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1). As its written, the ki mystic ki pool doesn't replace the monk ki pool. If you go as written, then you do have two separate ki pools.
2). However, in this case, you don't get to stack the pools together. They're still separate. The ki mystic entry doesn't mention anything about its ki pool granting access to any other abilities.
2.1). But then you run into ANOTHER wording problem. The core book entry allows the monk to access his extra abilities by "spending 1 point from his ki pool".
3). Arguably, with two ki pools, both with ki points, either one fulfills the requirements of activating these abilities.
4). However, the ki mystic doesn't grant the Ki Pool class feature. It instead grants a pool of ki points... yeah...
Now, SHOULD the ki mystic grant all those extra points? Probably not. If you're using the same dm for all your pfs games, talk to him about it. He should be able to tell you whether he wants to go by what makes sense, or by what the rules are actually saying.
If you'll be switching between dms a lot, you'll just have to ask a lot, or pick one interpretation and don't talk about it unless you're asked.
And I hope everyone will join with me in faq'ing this thread :p
This is how I read the things as well, but it just smacks you in the face. This just cannot be the way it was intended. I refuse to believe so.
Regarding PFS it will be easy to make ruling decisions. All GMs operate within one IRC channel and due to our remote location (Finland), we can be quite sure no one abroad will come bother us about it.
The monk gets a pool of Ki at level 3 with Ki Mystic. When he then gets the Ki Pool ability at level 4, it cannot grant him a second ki pool, so the Ki Mystic pool of ki supersedes that part, but he gains the other benefits of Ki pool--the ki strike, and the various ways it allows him to spend ki.
Yeah, a pretty convoluted explanation which could be made simpler with better wording. But I think it works.
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Actually, nothing prevents him from gaining a second ki pool.
The ability from Ki Mystic that specifically grants the ki points is called "Ki Mystic" whereas the ability from the monk is called "Ki Pool".
The Ki Mystic ability doesn't replace the monk Ki Pool class feature. There are no stacking rules for the two either, so what you end up with is two separate pools, separately named different things, both providing ki points.
