nothing against you or the concept but the mechanics are terrible
and the fact your going bard 5 mean at 10th level your still stuck on 2nd level spells o.O
MT makes you miss out on the good parts of bard and oracle both of which are fiarly dependant on taking levels in those classes.
if you just going for spells and want to MT then its gotta be a caster class that gets 2nd level spells at 3rd level.
I get you going for the CHA synergy but it really doesn't even work with sorc/oracle.
However assuming you don't care your spell are going to suck it a concept which certainly has some flavour just expect to be well behind the power curve against a straight class
if you want some arcane flavour check out eldrich herritage feats in UM with your high CHA you can get most of the sorc bloodline powers.
pure orcale or pure bard both work as buffers my advice is to pick one or the other.
Greetings
I am thinking of making a oracle/bard with the prestige class mystic theurge. I have already started with a level one nature oracle. Has anyone ever tried playing this combo. My party is comprised of a alchemist, a ranger and a paladin. We are playing the carrion crown adventure path so lots of undead I think (please no spoilers.) I was thinking of the bard class as more of a buffing class. i will most likely take the bard up to level 5 to get the +2 to inspire courage.
If my current character dies I might try to bring in a life oracle to get channeling healing.
Thanks for all of your thoughts.
I hope you understand that you won't be eligible to take your first level of Mystic Theurge until you are character level 9 -- 4 levels of bard and 4 levels of Oracle are required before you meet the minimum requirements for casting 2nd level divine and arcane spells. If you decide to level in bard to 5th level, you will have to wait until character level 10 before becoming a Mystic Theurge.
I have no idea how long Adventure Paths last, but I suspect you will complete the entire adventure path before you ever see this prestige class.
In addition, at character level 10, if you are a bard 5 / oracle 4 / mystic theurge 1, you will only know 2nd level bard spells and 2nd level oracle spells. You won't learn 3rd level oracle spells or 3rd level bard spells until mystic theurge 2 (total character level 11).
An 11th-level oracle is capable of knowing and casting blade barrier, harm, heal, greater dispel magic, heroes' feast, mass cure moderate wounds, word of recall, flame strike, raise dead, spell resistance, true seeing, and quite a few other spells ... when you will barely be gaining the ability to cast 3rd level oracle spells, which is cure serious wounds (3d8+6), versus 110 points of healing in 1 standard action for heal.
If you're okay with losing access to those higher level spells for a very long time, then it can be a useful and powerful prestige class. But choosing two classes that don't get 2nd level spells right away is a disadvantage. At bard 5 / oracle 5 / mystic theurge 10, you will have 5th level bard spells and 7th level oracle spells, but you won't learn the highest level spells of either class.
By comparison, a wizard / cleric mystic theurge combo can begin the prestige class at character level 7 (wizard 3 / cleric 3 / mystic theurge 1), versus your 9 or 10.
Since your party doesn't possess any class capable of casting 9th-level spells, if you go the mystic theurge route you are giving up the possibility of high level divine magic, and you are the only character capable of it.
Not saying it's a bad idea, just something to keep in mind.
Bard/Ranger/MT is a much better build.
;).
I'd go Magus/Ranger/MT over Bard/Ranger/MT
you still paying a high price and getting little in return.
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If you're less worried about spells, take a look at Pathfinder Chronicler as a potential PrC choice. I have a Oracle of Lore/Archivist Bard that will be taking the path down Pathfinder Chronicler in a few levels, and he is a knowledge machine with a little bit of spell-casting utility. I plan on spending a lot on consumable magic items and the mundane gear that can really save a party's butt, but I expect this character to be a support character, not the center of attention.
If you're less worried about spells, take a look at Pathfinder Chronicler as a potential PrC choice. I have a Oracle of Lore/Archivist Bard that will be taking the path down Pathfinder Chronicler in a few levels, and he is a knowledge machine with a little bit of spell-casting utility. I plan on spending a lot on consumable magic items and the mundane gear that can really save a party's butt, but I expect this character to be a support character, not the center of attention.
you know who's a real knowwlege machine the Mind Chemist Alchemist. Add double INT mod to knowlege checks plus any flat INT checks are doubled too ;)
I was joking about Bard/Ranger/MT- its terrible. Cleric/wizard does work best.
heh never can be too sure on these boards ;)
but i think the OP has gotten the hint, it'll suck alot.
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you know who's a real knowwlege machine the Mind Chemist Alchemist. Add double INT mod to knowlege checks plus any flat INT checks are doubled too ;)
But compared to using the Oracle revelation that lets me use my +5 Cha for knowledge checks? And Bardic knowledge? At level 2, I can take any knowledge check untrained at a +6! +8 at lvl 3 when I snag Breadth of Experience for my wisened little gnome. I stand by my choices, sir! :P
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There are lots of cool multi class combos out there. Due to the game mechanics, some work and some do not work very well at all.
With the shift from 3.5 to pathfinder, one thing the designers decided to do, is to favor the single class over the multi class option by tying many “class features” like bard song, or the mysteries, to the levels your character has in that class.
Because of the entry requirements of the mystic theurge, beingable to cast 2nd level arcane spells and 2nd level devine spells, the minimum level you can gain entry to this prestige class is level 6.
This is possible if you have 3 levels of wizard and 3 levels of cleric. You will gain acces to both classes spell lists, but you will be 3 levels behind a full caster. With a wizard /cleric/ mystic theurge will gain access to your 3rd level spells at 8th level.
With an Oracle/ Sorcerer/ mystic theurge, you will gain access to your 3rd level spells at 10 level.
With a Bard/ Oracle/ mystic theurge you will gain access to 3rd level spells for the oracle, at 10th level, and for the bard at 12 level I believe.
Any class features you will have will be cut off at 4th level. You will need 4 levels of bard and 4 levels of Oracle to enter the class.
It is a cool idea, but because of the game mechanics, such a class may be challenging to play at best.
Perhaps if you can use the Gestalt rules, this might enable you to play your concept.
Hm i see the earlier posters, have pretty much put out this info. Well good luck
Anyone else get a picture of Stevie Wonder??
you know who's a real knowwlege machine the Mind Chemist Alchemist. Add double INT mod to knowlege checks plus any flat INT checks are doubled too ;)But compared to using the Oracle revelation that lets me use my +5 Cha for knowledge checks? And Bardic knowledge? At level 2, I can take any knowledge check untrained at a +6! +8 at lvl 3 when I snag Breadth of Experience for my wisened little gnome. I stand by my choices, sir! :P
How bout Mind chemist with 36INT getting +27 to any knowlege skills he puts 1 rank into ;)
on a side note assuming he puts full ranks into a class skill like knowlege arcana that reuslts in a 20 + 3 + 27 = +50 knowlege arcana ;)
There are lots of cool multi class combos out there. Due to the game mechanics, some work and some do not work very well at all.
With the shift from 3.5 to pathfinder, one thing the designers decided to do, is to favor the single class over the multi class option by tying many “class features” like bard song, or the mysteries, to the levels your character has in that class.
Because of the entry requirements of the mystic theurge, beingable to cast 2nd level arcane spells and 2nd level devine spells, the minimum level you can gain entry to this prestige class is level 6.
This is possible if you have 3 levels of wizard and 3 levels of cleric. You will gain acces to both classes spell lists, but you will be 3 levels behind a full caster. With a wizard /cleric/ mystic theurge will gain access to your 3rd level spells at 8th level.
With an Oracle/ Sorcerer/ mystic theurge, you will gain access to your 3rd level spells at 10 level.
With a Bard/ Oracle/ mystic theurge you will gain access to 3rd level spells for the oracle, at 10th level, and for the bard at 12 level I believe.
Any class features you will have will be cut off at 4th level. You will need 4 levels of bard and 4 levels of Oracle to enter the class.
It is a cool idea, but because of the game mechanics, such a class may be challenging to play at best.
Perhaps if you can use the Gestalt rules, this might enable you to play your concept.
Hm i see the earlier posters, have pretty much put out this info. Well good luck
The better pathfinder option is to play a witch who has a divine arcane mix of spells, curses may not be your cup of tea but like everything you can reflavor the class to suit your RP, curses are just buffs and debuffs