Alchemist Archetype - Grenadier


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


Is there an official Alchemist archetype that focuses on the bombs? A grenadier basically.

Am I just missing it in Ultimate Magic or is it planned for Ultimate Combat or is there no plan for such an archetype?

-Weylin

Shadow Lodge

Considering how powerful the bombing is out the gate I think the base Alchemist IS the grenadier. I certainly haven't had any trouble tearing things up with mine.

I'm not sure what a bomb focused archetype would do that wouldn't put it over the top power wise.


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0gre wrote:

Considering how powerful the bombing is out the gate I think the base Alchemist IS the grenadier. I certainly haven't had any trouble tearing things up with mine.

I'm not sure what a bomb focused archetype would do that wouldn't put it over the top power wise.

Losing all things poison related to be able to add multiple discoveries to bombs, no matter the discovery.

Shadow Lodge

Matt Stich wrote:
0gre wrote:

Considering how powerful the bombing is out the gate I think the base Alchemist IS the grenadier. I certainly haven't had any trouble tearing things up with mine.

I'm not sure what a bomb focused archetype would do that wouldn't put it over the top power wise.

Losing all things poison related to be able to add multiple discoveries to bombs, no matter the discovery.

That is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking about when I said over the top with regards to power.

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Weylin Stormcrowe 798 wrote:

Is there an official Alchemist archetype that focuses on the bombs? A grenadier basically.

Am I just missing it in Ultimate Magic or is it planned for Ultimate Combat or is there no plan for such an archetype?

-Weylin

Stay tuned for "Pathfinder Society Field Guide," due out soon!


James Jacobs wrote:


Stay tuned for "Pathfinder Society Field Guide," due out soon!

James, I apologize for the question but.. it came up few times..

As an example, people asked for a Kitsune race in a book coming soon (Bestiary 3), and you answered to wait for Tian Xia.

Now I see you guys must sell more books to keep going, but I's annoying for those who are not interested in the setting. I mean, a kitsune is not golarion-specific, is a monster from folklore, like a Kappa or a Tengu.

Sorry if I ask, but is something I noticed with UM. You guys put out another "magical" book and divine books in the same period and I do wonder if the options there are setting specific. And frankly, if something that could have been well tought in UM has been "sacrified" because of this.

In the same way, I ask why a grenadier alchemyst is not in UC, is the concept can be realized.

Please note this is not just a simple rant - I do wonder if, at least, one day you will publish a compendium of some sort (distant in time I guess, to do not "defraud" people buying golarion stuff) with stuff of the setting made "neutral".

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Kaiyanwang wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:


Stay tuned for "Pathfinder Society Field Guide," due out soon!

James, I apologize for the question but.. it came up few times..

As an example, people asked for a Kitsune race in a book coming soon (Bestiary 3), and you answered to wait for Tian Xia.

Now I see you guys must sell more books to keep going, but I's annoying for those who are not interested in the setting. I mean, a kitsune is not golarion-specific, is a monster from folklore, like a Kappa or a Tengu.

Sorry if I ask, but is something I noticed with UM. You guys put out another "magical" book and divine books in the same period and I do wonder if the options there are setting specific. And frankly, if something that could have been well tought in UM has been "sacrified" because of this.

In the same way, I ask why a grenadier alchemyst is not in UC.

Please note this is not just a simple rant - I do wonder if, at least, one day you will publish a compendium of some sort (distant in time I guess, to do not "defraud" people buying golarion stuff) with stuff of the setting made "neutral".

We are not going to abandon support of Golarion products, and that means that there WILL continue to be rules options in our Adventure Path, Player Companion, Campaign Setting, and Module lines.

We do about 2,176 pages of material per year in those lines combined, compared to 800 or so pages per year in the rulebook line. We can't put everything into one line, so there's significant crossover—usually in the direction of our Golarion-related lines, since we do so much more work on those lines than we do in the rulebook line.

I'm sorry if some of the information you're looking forward to seeing ends up in products you don't want to buy... but perhaps that means that you should check some of those products out anyway? Who knows... you might like what you find in there!

In any event... it's not like the rulebooks are the place we try to put our "best" stuff, and the implication that that's how we work is kinda insulting. There was, to my knowledge, never any plan to put a grenadier archetype into Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, or the APG. If we hadn't done one in the Pathfinder Society Field Guide... we wouldn't have one at all. It's not in Ultimate Combat because the design team chose to do OTHER things in that book, in other words.

That all said, we do sometimes reprint world-specific content in the rulebook lines. We've done this for a LOT of monsters, and also for things like haunts and chases, both of which showed up first in Adventure Paths. We'll continue to do this... but again... since we do over TWICE as much work on our Campaign Setting than we do on our Rulebook line in any given year, there's just no room to transfer it all.

Golarion is something we're very proud of at Paizo. And unlike the Pathfinder rules, Golarion's something we built from scratch. It's always going to be a more important asset of this company as a result, and as such it's not something we want to marginalize just to make the rulebooks have more stuff in them.

Liberty's Edge

James Jacobs wrote:
We do about 2,176 pages of material per year

I'm staying out of the discussion I was just amused that it was such a specific number to say "about".


James Jacobs wrote:
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Thank you James for your complete and detailed answer.

I didn't want to insult Paizo, I was just concerned about it. BTW, I guessed the volume of material produced (O__O impressive) so, as long it is interesting, I don't mind wait for the cool stuff!

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ShadowcatX wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
We do about 2,176 pages of material per year
I'm staying out of the discussion I was just amused that it was such a specific number to say "about".

Heh...

I got to that number by adding up:

12 x 96 (12 Pathfinder APs a year)
10 x 64 (10 Campaign Setting books a year, not counting the two map folios we generally do)
12 x 32 (12 Pathfinder Companions/modules a year)

I say "about" because some years we do more than two map folios, and some years we replace a 64 page book with a 320 page hardcover.

Also, by saying "about," I handily protect myself from math mavens eager to prove me wrong.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Kaiyanwang wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
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Thank you James for your complete and detailed answer.

I didn't want to insult Paizo, I was just concerned about it. BTW, I guessed the volume of material produced (O__O impressive) so, as long it is interesting, I don't mind wait for the cool stuff!

No worries!

I guess the thing to take away is that we don't really see THAT much of a difference between the Rulebook line and the Golarion lines, and if fans of one line get into the other, that only helps us.


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Just because you aren't particularly interested in Golarion doesn't mean you shouldn't be paying attention to the campaign setting products. Part of the strengths of Golarion is that it has a little something for everyone. There's a lot of Golarion content that could be easily lifted and adapted to other settings.

I myself am not particularly a fan of Golarion. But there are lots of things within Golarion I totally steal to use elsewhere. I'm a big fan of Paizo and all the nice products they produce. You should definitely browse the other lines to see if books have enough usable content that you want to pick them up.

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