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weren't there rumors he had an affair with one of his maids in the white house? Not only that but the fact that she was African American and had a kid from it? Or am I just being crazy/mixing up my presidents?
Nope. You're thinking of President Dwayne Alezando Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, again.
Or Franklin.
Or, in a reality-based turn of events, Jefferson.
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Freehold DM |
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Madclaw wrote:weren't there rumors he had an affair with one of his maids in the white house? Not only that but the fact that she was African American and had a kid from it? Or am I just being crazy/mixing up my presidents?That was Jefferson.
Family Guy had the BEST take on this ever.
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Freehold DM |
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Freehold DM wrote:hey Freehold, what're you doin' later. *insinuating eyebrow raise*Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:It's kind of like how stylish hair and shaved chests get us gay men going, back then it was beards and stovepipe hats, rooowwwrr.Hey, tastes vary. I've gotten some strange propositions from guys sometimes, especially on days when I haven't shaved and look woolly as hell.
Surprisingly, going home to put together a bookcase to finally organize the back office. Should I take my shirt off while doing this so everyone can see my mocha semi-flab?
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Madclaw wrote:Surprisingly, going home to put together a bookcase to finally organize the back office. Should I take my shirt off while doing this so everyone can see my mocha semi-flab?Freehold DM wrote:hey Freehold, what're you doin' later. *insinuating eyebrow raise*Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:It's kind of like how stylish hair and shaved chests get us gay men going, back then it was beards and stovepipe hats, rooowwwrr.Hey, tastes vary. I've gotten some strange propositions from guys sometimes, especially on days when I haven't shaved and look woolly as hell.
Of course! We need to see you glisten in the sunlight!
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Tiny Coffee Golem |
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David Fryer wrote:Family Guy had the BEST take on this ever.Madclaw wrote:weren't there rumors he had an affair with one of his maids in the white house? Not only that but the fact that she was African American and had a kid from it? Or am I just being crazy/mixing up my presidents?That was Jefferson.
"let's get all the kids in the picture, Honey"
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Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:It's kind of like how stylish hair and shaved chests get us gay men going, back then it was beards and stovepipe hats, rooowwwrr.Stovepipe hats get me going even now. Grrrr, girl, grrr.
Give me a fez any day. Fezzes are cool.
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Xabulba |
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Xabulba wrote:I sure hope no one finds out that the Democratic party used to be the pro-slavery and segregation party. That sure would make them look like a bunch of hypocrites as well. I bet they'd impeach the president if that came out.If it's true and the very first Republican president, and one of the greatest presidents ever, was gay would make almost every moral argument from Republicans even more hypocritical than they already are.
If it can be proven beyond a doubt I wonder how long it would take Lincolns party to have his image removed from the Five dollar bill and the penny?
The dems are already blatent hypocrites its just more fun to poke at the delusional ones that believe only they are the morale ones.
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I suppose I should set the record straight. The reports of Lincoln being gay are completely false because.....
.....THERE WAS NO LINCOLN!!!!
What everyone thought was our 16th President was, in fact, merely a biomechanical suit constructed to house a super-intelligent amoeba from the 30th Century. This insidious spy was sent back in time to ensure that the future where he and his kind rule the earth would actually come to pass. Making sure the Civil War occurred exactly when history tells us it did was all part of that plan. And, since Amoeba are neither male nor female, sexual preference is actually meaningless to them.
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Evil Lincoln |
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I suppose I should set the record straight. The reports of Lincoln being gay are completely false because.....
.....THERE WAS NO LINCOLN!!!!
What everyone thought was our 16th President was, in fact, merely a biomechanical suit constructed to house a super-intelligent amoeba from the 30th Century. This insidious spy was sent back in time to ensure that the future where he and his kind rule the earth would actually come to pass. Making sure the Civil War occurred exactly when history tells us it did was all part of that plan. And, since Amoeba are neither male nor female, sexual preference is actually meaningless to them.
Utter poppycock!
Surely Good Lincoln existed. Only a fool would ever imagine that he was a cleverly-devised facsimile of some sort meant to win the hearts and minds of a nation for centuries, to some unknown dark purpose... Only a fool, I say!
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Conspiracy Buff wrote:I suppose I should set the record straight. The reports of Lincoln being gay are completely false because.....
.....THERE WAS NO LINCOLN!!!!
What everyone thought was our 16th President was, in fact, merely a biomechanical suit constructed to house a super-intelligent amoeba from the 30th Century. This insidious spy was sent back in time to ensure that the future where he and his kind rule the earth would actually come to pass. Making sure the Civil War occurred exactly when history tells us it did was all part of that plan. And, since Amoeba are neither male nor female, sexual preference is actually meaningless to them.
Utter poppycock!
Surely Good Lincoln existed. Only a fool would ever imagine that he was a cleverly-devised facsimile of some sort meant to win the hearts and minds of a nation for centuries, to some unknown dark purpose... Only a fool, I say!
You're one of.....THEM.....aren't you?
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Doodlebug Anklebiter |
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Give me a fez any day. Fezzes are cool.
Did you know that fezzes were banned by Ataturk in post-Ottoman Turkey?
'Tis true.
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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:River Song hijacking the TARDIS again?LazarX wrote:
Give me a fez any day. Fezzes are cool.Did you know that fezzes were banned by Ataturk in post-Ottoman Turkey?
'Tis true.
What chutzpah!
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yellowdingo wrote:Apparently Flint has 'outed' President Abraham Lincon as a Homosexual who would invite men up to his log cabin in the Woods while struggling to have a normal relationship with Women.
I suppose if such a rumor had got out during the American Civil War it might have made a difference.
You mean Flynt?
I think the strongest argument against Lincoln being attracted to men was how his wife behaved. She would get into jealous rages over other women, but never a man. Presumably she knew as much as anyone ever did about his sexual preferences.
So much of what everyone "knows" about Lincoln is a myth though for national propaganda purposes.
You are probably more likely to find dirt on Abraham Lincon in Newspapers of the time...
'Scandal in Washington - Lincon Caught Writing Letters!'
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All kidding aside, I have never heard that Lincoln was gay.
There was a brief kerfuffle about it in 2004 after some dude wrote a book about it.
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I don't see the problem. Who cares if Abraham Lincoln liked to get it on with guys once in awhile, and so what if Thomas Jefferson liked his women a bit dark complected, and who cares that Grover Cleveland liked to dress up in womens clothing, or That Bill Clinton liked to play with cigars, or even that George W. Bush installed a table with straps into his ranch so Laura could erotically waterboard him. Does any of it really matter?
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The problem is that everyone thinks Lincoln is a great president, while completely ignoring the many achievements of Ben Franklin, the nation's greatest president.
Also, Lincoln had a b*~#+in' luxury car. Or so I hear.
Franklin did indeed do many cool things, but he was never President of the United States.
Edit: Just sayin'
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Sebastian wrote:The problem is that everyone thinks Lincoln is a great president, while completely ignoring the many achievements of Ben Franklin, the nation's greatest president.
Also, Lincoln had a b*~#+in' luxury car. Or so I hear.
Franklin did indeed do many cool things, but he was never President of the United States.
Edit: Just sayin'
Shamed pony is shamed.
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There was a brief kerfuffle about it in 2004 after some dude wrote a book about it.
Abe Lincoln on the DL!
Anyway, this blurb reminds me of why Gore Vidal insists that homosexual is an adjective that describes actions, not people.
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yellowdingo wrote:Conspiracy Theory: Is Abraham Lincon under attack because Barak Obama has declared Abraham Lincon a personal Hero of his?Absolutely.
And I think I see where you're going with this:
Barack Obama is gay too.
No I was thinking that now they have lost out on the ambiguity of his birth certificate, they have decided to attack his choice in personal heroes. Obama's other personal hero was some loudmouth cleric in Chicago.
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Wet Blanket wrote:No I was thinking that now they have lost out on the ambiguity of his birth certificate, they have decided to attack his choice in personal heroes.yellowdingo wrote:Conspiracy Theory: Is Abraham Lincon under attack because Barak Obama has declared Abraham Lincon a personal Hero of his?Absolutely.
And I think I see where you're going with this:
Barack Obama is gay too.
Technically this would mean Conan and Spider-man are gay too.
And somewhere a yaoi fangirl is squee-ing with glee.
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yellowdingo wrote:Wet Blanket wrote:No I was thinking that now they have lost out on the ambiguity of his birth certificate, they have decided to attack his choice in personal heroes.yellowdingo wrote:Conspiracy Theory: Is Abraham Lincon under attack because Barak Obama has declared Abraham Lincon a personal Hero of his?Absolutely.
And I think I see where you're going with this:
Barack Obama is gay too.
Technically this would mean Conan and Spider-man are gay too.
And somewhere a yaoi fangirl is squee-ing with glee.
Fictional characters cant be gay...they can only be alluded to as being gay. For them to be gay, they would need to be real.
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Gary Teter wrote:I'm pretty sure Ben Franklin was in fact Shadow Lord President of the United States of America for at least three terms.Before or after he defected to france and took up gratuitous sex with french prostitutes (male and female) out of the US embassy?
How do you know the sex he was having was gratuitous?
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I don't see the problem. Who cares if Abraham Lincoln liked to get it on with guys once in awhile, and so what if Thomas Jefferson liked his women a bit dark complected, and who cares that Grover Cleveland liked to dress up in womens clothing, or That Bill Clinton liked to play with cigars, or even that George W. Bush installed a table with straps into his ranch so Laura could erotically waterboard him. Does any of it really matter?
That is the question.
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Freehold DM |
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yellowdingo wrote:Wet Blanket wrote:No I was thinking that now they have lost out on the ambiguity of his birth certificate, they have decided to attack his choice in personal heroes.yellowdingo wrote:Conspiracy Theory: Is Abraham Lincon under attack because Barak Obama has declared Abraham Lincon a personal Hero of his?Absolutely.
And I think I see where you're going with this:
Barack Obama is gay too.
Technically this would mean Conan and Spider-man are gay too.
And somewhere a yaoi fangirl is squee-ing with glee.
I was around that allllll weekend.
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Fictional characters cant be gay...they can only be alluded to as being gay. For them to be gay, they would need to be real.
And by that same logic fictional characters cant be straight. They can only be alluded to as being straight. For them to be straight, they would need to be real.
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Technically this would mean Conan and Spider-man are gay too.
And somewhere a yaoi fangirl is squee-ing with glee.
Okay... Conan is pretty manly and probably straight... but Spider-man? Come on! He mopes about how his girlfriend died to deflect female interest, and when a girl manages to get him to the altar, he neglects her and spends his time with his manly spandex buddies like Rhino, Electro and Paste-pot Pete...
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Gary Teter wrote:I'm pretty sure Ben Franklin was in fact Shadow Lord President of the United States of America for at least three terms.Before or after he defected to france and took up gratuitous sex with french prostitutes (male and female) out of the US embassy?
I hereby apologize to Sebastian. From here on in:
Ben Franklin rules!
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Mikaze wrote:Okay... Conan is pretty manly and probably straight... but Spider-man? Come on! He mopes about how his girlfriend died to deflect female interest, and when a girl manages to get him to the altar, he neglects her and spends his time with his manly spandex buddies like Rhino, Electro and Paste-pot Pete...Technically this would mean Conan and Spider-man are gay too.
And somewhere a yaoi fangirl is squee-ing with glee.
Hmmm. What would Kinsey say?
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Wet Blanket wrote:No I was thinking that now they have lost out on the ambiguity of his birth certificate, they have decided to attack his choice in personal heroes. Obama's other personal hero was some loudmouth cleric in Chicago.yellowdingo wrote:Conspiracy Theory: Is Abraham Lincon under attack because Barak Obama has declared Abraham Lincon a personal Hero of his?Absolutely.
And I think I see where you're going with this:
Barack Obama is gay too.
The answer is no. As Vic pointed out upthread, this comes up from time to time regardless of who is president. Unless you are arguing that people in 1926 were trying to ruin the reputation of Pres. Obama.In 1926 Carl Sandburg wrote about the relationship between Lincoln and Joshua Speed as possessing "a streak of lavender, and spots soft as May violets," which was period slang for homosexual relationships. In fact the original rumors were spread by Lincoln's own law partner and are tracable to his hatred of Mary Lincoln. The only evidence ever really presented that Lincoln was involved with other men is his habit of "co-sleeping" which was actually quite common in those days. The book that came out in 2005 was writen by a gay rights activist, so he certainly could not be motivated by the desire to smear Lincoln for being gay.
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Okay... Conan is pretty manly and probably straight... but Spider-man? Come on! He mopes about how his girlfriend died to deflect female interest, and when a girl manages to get him to the altar, he neglects her and spends his time with his manly spandex buddies like Rhino, Electro and Paste-pot Pete...
You have this exactly backwards.
Conan has 6-pack abs and a hairless chest.
Spidey is a teenager moping about getting laid.
Spidey is clearly the straight one (although that's hardly an endorsement of the straight lifestyle).
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Sebastian wrote:The problem is that everyone thinks Lincoln is a great president, while completely ignoring the many achievements of Ben Franklin, the nation's greatest president.
Also, Lincoln had a b*~#+in' luxury car. Or so I hear.
Franklin did indeed do many cool things, but he was never President of the United States.
Edit: Just sayin'
Then why is he on the $100 bill and Mount Rushmore?
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Sissyl wrote:Okay... Conan is pretty manly and probably straight... but Spider-man? Come on! He mopes about how his girlfriend died to deflect female interest, and when a girl manages to get him to the altar, he neglects her and spends his time with his manly spandex buddies like Rhino, Electro and Paste-pot Pete...You have this exactly backwards.
Conan has 6-pack abs and a hairless chest.
Spidey is a teenager moping about getting laid.
Spidey is clearly the straight one (although that's hardly an endorsement of the straight lifestyle).
As "a gay" myself I'd much rather "have" Conan than spiderman. Conan is a mans man (double entendre alert) and spiderman is a twinky whining loser.
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As "a gay" myself I'd much rather "have" Conan than spiderman. Conan is a mans man (double entendre alert) and spiderman is a twinky whining loser.
I'm not sure what is so manly about the guy, I mean he's a pasty ginger.
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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:As "a gay" myself I'd much rather "have" Conan than spiderman. Conan is a mans man (double entendre alert) and spiderman is a twinky whining loser.I'm not sure what is so manly about the guy, I mean he's a pasty ginger.
Pecs, abs, arms and a poor grasp of the english language. :-)
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pres man wrote:Pecs, abs, arms and a poor grasp of the english language. :-)Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:As "a gay" myself I'd much rather "have" Conan than spiderman. Conan is a mans man (double entendre alert) and spiderman is a twinky whining loser.I'm not sure what is so manly about the guy, I mean he's a pasty ginger.
I watch Conan every night and he has none of those things. :)