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This feat allows Fencing Grace, Slashing Grace and Starry Grace to work with TWF. It even grants half dex mod to dmg with the off-hand. Was the intent to also allow Precise Strike swashbuckler ability? My opinion is yes, as this is clearly a swashbuckler oriented feat so all deeds should work with it, but I'm not sure my opinion is in accordance to the RAW.
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You can gain the benefits of the Fencing Grace, Slashing Grace, or Starry Grace feats while fighting with two two weapons. Your penalties from two-weapon fighting increase by 2 on all attack rolls you make while doing so, and you can't decrease the penalties to less than -2 even if other abilities would reduce the penalties further. Add 1/2 your Dexterity bonus to damage with your off-hand weapon instead of 1/2 your Strength modifier. If you attack without using your off-hand weapon, you can use the aforementioned feats despite your other hand being occupied.
There is no mention of the swashbuckler's precise strike, and it only says you can use the three "Grace" feats despite your other hand being occupied.
The intent is clearly to not allow you to use everything that asks your off-hand to be free. Precise Strike continues to fail to function, and the assessment that it is "clearly a swashbuckler feat" and therefore supposed to work for Precise Strike is in error.
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Pretty big investment in feats for something that would cut off access to your most important swashbuckler deed!
Is this feat truly just for fighters or rangers? or was it also meant to address swashbucklers (who very, very, very frequently take fencing grace or slashing grace). I understand the RAW, Saethori, hence why I asked the question! ;) (because somehow I still think it odd that swashbucklers would not be fully compatible with this)
Main reason I ask: to make my swashbuckler's divine blade and tankard ability fully compatible. TWF + TWG are both required to make this work so far, but if Precise Strike is out, I'm kinda wondering about the usefulness of TWG at this point...
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...actually kinda wondering how to make divine blade and tankard work at all, at this point, as well... (i.e. was it just meant for STR fighters or swashbucklers? btw, if you go 'STR swashbuckler', you're basically writing off the first level Weapon Finesse feat as useless... in which case would a STR swashbuckler work?)
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Pretty big investment in feats for something that would cut off access to your most important swashbuckler deed!
Is this feat truly just for fighters or rangers? or was it also meant to address swashbucklers (who very, very, very frequently take fencing grace or slashing grace).
It's also meant for Dex-based Unchained Barbarians, potential TWF bards, ninjas, TWF Warpriests, Dex Slayers, Dex Samurai...
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It's also meant for Dex-based Unchained Barbarians, potential TWF bards, ninjas, TWF Warpriests, Dex Slayers, Dex Samurai...Pretty big investment in feats for something that would cut off access to your most important swashbuckler deed!
Is this feat truly just for fighters or rangers? or was it also meant to address swashbucklers (who very, very, very frequently take fencing grace or slashing grace).
Fair enough, but the feats it refers to have the following references to swashbuckler in them:
Fencing Grace has "In addition, if you have the panache class feature, you gain a +2 bonus to your CMD against attempts to disarm you of your rapier while you have at least 1 panache point."
Slashing Grace has "When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) "
Starry Grace has "In addition, if you have the panache class feature, as long as you have at least 1 panache point, you gain a +5 bonus to your movement speed on your move action after taking an attack action with a starknife or on your Spring Attack or charge with a starknife."
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Fair enough, but the feats it refers to have the following references to swashbuckler in them:
Fencing Grace has "In addition, if you have the panache class feature, you gain a +2 bonus to your CMD against attempts to disarm you of your rapier while you have at least 1 panache point."
Slashing Grace has "When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) "
Starry Grace has "In addition, if you have the panache class feature, as long as you have at least 1 panache point, you gain a +5 bonus to your movement speed on your move action after taking an attack action with a starknife or on your Spring Attack or charge with a starknife."
Just because those three feats are intended for Swashbucklers (I agree - though others can use them too - I have a bard who does quite effectively) that doesn't necessarily mean that Two Weapon Grace is.
the swashbuckler is meant to do 1 handed combat with an empty hand that has a buckler. So anything outside of this, aka two weapons, is not what the swashbuckler is for.
I don't think so too.
Not sure who this feat is aimed to, but it's not swashbucklers.
I may actually resurrect my PFS fighter dual wielding sawtooth sabers.