Shadow Evocation against a Shadow

[Sakoyo]

I have a player who is a Shadow Dancer and has a Shadow. We're playing Rise of the Reliefs and they are about to fight somebody that has Shadow Evocation. Since the spell uses energy from the Plane of Shadows and the Shadow is an incorporeal from there, would it effect the Shadow any differently? Thanks for an responses.

[Riuken]

Rules forum says: the spell works as normal, the shadow rolls a will save, and the shadow taking half again less damage from the spell due to being incorporeal (if the spell deals damage). Note that the shadow is not immune to the spell, since illusion (shadow) is not listed within undead immunities.

IMO: ignore the shadow's incorporeal state as it interacts with that spell. If you want to remove the "quasi-real" from the spell, thereby eliminating the will save, you should replace it with a reflex save for half.

[The Bald Man]

Riuken wrote:

Rules forum says: the spell works as normal, the shadow rolls a will save, and the shadow taking half again less damage from the spell due to being incorporeal (if the spell deals damage). Note that the shadow is not immune to the spell, since illusion (shadow) is not listed within undead immunities.

IMO: ignore the shadow's incorporeal state as it interacts with that spell. If you want to remove the "quasi-real" from the spell, thereby eliminating the will save, you should replace it with a reflex save for half.

+1

You asked this on the rules forum...so per the rules. There is no rule the discusses that particular interaction.

In my home game the monster and the spell would be made of the same stuff so there would be no will save or incorporeality because they are in 'phase'.

[ShoulderPatch]

RAW, it would not effect them any differently, the spell works exactly as it says it does and neither the creature or the spell receive any special auto success, bonus, penalty, or immunity.

Anything beyond that is HR forum territory.