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meaning you lack the limbs to to hold/equip the gear in question. If you lack the limbs and are not wearing the gear, it cannot be merged into a new form now can it?

Yes. If you are a human holding a scimatar and you turn into a snake it most certainly will merge with you even though you loose an arm. That is the ENTIRE point of having your gear merge with you.


the whole problem with the horse shoes as i see it, is that the player is faking his way to new items slots. The rules clearly states that u cant wear more than one magic item in a slot, so the horse's hooves is instead of hands and feat? then he should atleast expend those slots for the horseshoes. That means no other magic boots, rings or gloves.

I still dont think they would have any effect on him, considering they arnt attached to his hooves. They dont need just to be wielded, and then the bonus would be a lot easyer to justify, they need to be attached to his hooves, ie if he dosnt have hooves they cant very well be attached.

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nicklas Læssøe wrote:

i cant believe this post is still going. But damn would i like to hear some designer oppinions on this.

Especially the rake as part of the charge thing, as in my reading you are only allowed to rake if your bite attack succeds and you succefully grapple during the pounce. This is ofcourse still very good, but albeit a bit weaker than the other interpretation.

It also makes way more sense if we look at a real life lion. Considering the rake attacks is the back claws, then it would only ever use them even when charging, if it actually had a bite/ grab on the victim. Atleast thats what animal planet tells me (probably not that reliable)

Still flagging this for FAQ though

Pounce definition, heres what pounce says...

"Pounce (ex) When a creature with this special attack makes a charge, it can make a full attack (including rake attacks if the creature also has the rake ability)."

Let me put it this way , this says im rolling to hit 5 times with a pouncing lion, and quite frankly if you want to give me a free grapple with the possibiity of attacking with the rakes if I hit, If I were the druid player in question I would take that ruling every time with a smile, because in my personal opinion you have made this more powerful with that.

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Pounce (ex) When a creature with this special attack makes a charge, it can make a full attack (including rake attacks if the creature also has the rake ability).

Searching for previous references that might set this to rest once and for all, I found the following reference from 2009...

James Jacobs wrote:

Pounce lets you make a full attack when you charge. This full attack includes rake attacks, if the creature has rake attacks.

Rake, on the other hand, is a type of natural attack that normally a creature can't use during a full attack or standard attack; something has to happen to allow a rake to take place. Normally, this means when the creature is grappling a foe, but when something has pounce AND rake, pounce lets you rake as well, even if you aren't grappling a foe.

Rake is indeed meant to represent the hind legs, generally. So in order to use a rake, a creature has to basically be all over its target... as in the case when it grapples, or when it pounces onto something.


nicklas Læssøe wrote:

i cant believe this post is still going. But damn would i like to hear some designer oppinions on this.

Especially the rake as part of the charge thing, as in my reading you are only allowed to rake if your bite attack succeds and you succefully grapple during the pounce. This is ofcourse still very good, but albeit a bit weaker than the other interpretation.

It also makes way more sense if we look at a real life lion. Considering the rake attacks is the back claws, then it would only ever use them even when charging, if it actually had a bite/ grab on the victim. Atleast thats what animal planet tells me (probably not that reliable)

Still flagging this for FAQ though

The pounce ability clearly states that you get the rake as part of the charge. The rake on a bite attack grapple check works ANYTIME the raking animal successfully bites. The two situations are not related by rule, only by concept. The only thing to clarify is that on a pounce where you successfully bite, you don't have to grapple to rake, and if you do grapple you don't get four rake attacks.

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