boon companion and packmaster(ultimate magic)


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if taken for each pet does it affect my druid level for them? im sorry if its poorly worded im not sure how to get it across


Yes. If you're a level 10 druid and you have two wolves at level 5 each, then taking Boon Companion twice (once for each pet) would mean they are treated as level 9.


Cheapy wrote:
Yes. If you're a level 10 druid and you have two wolves at level 5 each, then taking Boon Companion twice (once for each pet) would mean they are treated as level 9.

If I understand this right...you now have two 9 "level" Wolves. You would have 18 levels of druid animal companion. If this is what you think you are wrong. Boon Companion gives you 4 Druid level UP TO YOUR LEVEL, not levels to the animal. A 10th Level single class Druid can not use this feat(Pack Lord or not). The Beastmaster (Ranger APG) & Pack Lord (Druid UM) must split their "animal" level between all their animals. Boon Companion, & Natural Bond (3.5 Feat) add to the over all druid level, not each animal. Any how...Boon Companion is also a 3.5 feat, so the wording is incorrect for Pathfinder with out changing.


Hawkson wrote:
Cheapy wrote:
Yes. If you're a level 10 druid and you have two wolves at level 5 each, then taking Boon Companion twice (once for each pet) would mean they are treated as level 9.
If I understand this right...you now have two 9 "level" Wolves. You would have 18 levels of druid animal companion. If this is what you think you are wrong. Boon Companion gives you 4 Druid level UP TO YOUR LEVEL, not levels to the animal. A 10th Level single class Druid can not use this feat(Pack Lord or not). The Beastmaster (Ranger APG) & Pack Lord (Druid UM) must split their "animal" level between all their animals. Boon Companion, & Natural Bond (3.5 Feat) add to the over all druid level, not each animal. Any how...Boon Companion is also a 3.5 feat, so the wording is incorrect for Pathfinder with out changing.

Boon Companion

d20pfsrd.com wrote:

Benefit: The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level. If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature.

Special: You may select this feat more than once. The effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a different animal companion or familiar.

At a first glance, looks like you may be right. There's a lot of confusion over this tho, and even a post that was FAQ'd 13 times didn't get a developer response. I'm gonna FAQ this on the long shot that it works.


Cheapy wrote:
Hawkson wrote:
Cheapy wrote:
Yes. If you're a level 10 druid and you have two wolves at level 5 each, then taking Boon Companion twice (once for each pet) would mean they are treated as level 9.
If I understand this right...you now have two 9 "level" Wolves. You would have 18 levels of druid animal companion. If this is what you think you are wrong. Boon Companion gives you 4 Druid level UP TO YOUR LEVEL, not levels to the animal. A 10th Level single class Druid can not use this feat(Pack Lord or not). The Beastmaster (Ranger APG) & Pack Lord (Druid UM) must split their "animal" level between all their animals. Boon Companion, & Natural Bond (3.5 Feat) add to the over all druid level, not each animal. Any how...Boon Companion is also a 3.5 feat, so the wording is incorrect for Pathfinder with out changing.

Boon Companion

d20pfsrd.com wrote:

Benefit: The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level. If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature.

Special: You may select this feat more than once. The effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a different animal companion or familiar.

At a first glance, looks like you may be right. There's a lot of confusion over this tho, and even a post that was FAQ'd 13 times didn't get a developer response. I'm gonna FAQ this on the long shot that it works.

I have seen this feat in other boards (I can think of there names) & someone said they asked Jason B about this feat. His post stated that the new Pathfinder rules can make use of this feat up to the "more than one animal companion or familiar" & "select this feat more than once" part. This need taken out, & can only be taken once.


Hawkson wrote:
I have seen this feat in other boards (I can think of there names) & someone said they asked Jason B about this feat. His post stated that the new Pathfinder rules can make use of this feat up to the "more than one animal companion or familiar" & "select this feat more than once" part....

+1, this makes the most sense.

Frankly, I think the feat needs to be tighted down even more. As is, with the single feat a Ranger can get an animal companion equal to the Druid, whereas a Beastmaster Ranger archetype needs to wait until 12th level for that priviledge otherwise.

Something along the lines of allowing up to four levels of a class that doesn't grant an animal companion to count towards your effective Druid level as it applies to your companion. Perhaps then you could allow it to be taken multiple times, but only once per non-companion class. That way you could have, say a Mystic Theurge, with an animal companion that is mostly still viable.

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