And I'm not saying the Paizo messageboards should act as his therapy sessions.
I'm saying we can still give the guy support without giving him advice.
And if this is a form of entertainment he can enjoy without taking it to the places he used to, then why take it from him.
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And honestly, a modicum of restraint never hurt anyone.* I don't interject my preference for scurvy women into every thread I participate in for example, tempting though it may be sometimes.
*Just ask any couple involved in BDSM.
wu....wu kinda scurvy women? ones with buttermilk poured on them?
As a Limey, I have to say...get some Vitamin C!
i will try my best to behave myself. i despise the idea of hiding behind a new alias.
i need you guys to provide the circumstance bonus to my will save.
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I won't get into the sexuality of the characters. But he might play young girls for the same reason some people play only dwarves, or only elves, or only rogues etc. Some people just find something they like and play the same thing over and over.
Yeah but after awhile most people get tired of the same thing.
I won't get into the sexuality of the characters. But he might play young girls for the same reason some people play only dwarves, or only elves, or only rogues etc. Some people just find something they like and play the same thing over and over.
you basically got it.
i have no truly sick reasons for playing as one.
i just like the joy of playing one.
like how some people only play a certain race or class to the exclusion of all others.
but i do take the occasional break from playing a young girl.
and i haven't played a true child in years.
but i have played characters that can be mistaken for children to the untrained eye.
most of said characters, have minds far more developed than thier appearant age would hint, and a select few had a childish quality they act out and ham up for deception. such as conversing with a specific doll/plushy etc, frequently singing nursery rhymes, constant manic sobbing fits, or even, extreme manic hyperactive cheeriness.
nothing like the arcanist who still plays with dolls when slaughtering monsters.
for the purely hyothetical example
a young female human sorceress named Nera and her doll Alice.
Nera; Alice, should i really nuke those orcs today?
*instant pause for less than a second*
Nera; Alright Alice, i agree with your suggestion, lets nuke some orcs
*Nukes an entire orcish legion with a rain of hellfire and brimstone*
darn, that really makes me want to play Nera.
Removed some posts and their replies. Let's try to be positive and civil, please-and-thank-you.
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I won't get into the sexuality of the characters. But he might play young girls for the same reason some people play only dwarves, or only elves, or only rogues etc. Some people just find something they like and play the same thing over and over.Yeah but after awhile most people get tired of the same thing.
Oh I agree most do, I was just playing devils advocate. I have known players who play the same character over and over. In the 90's I knew a guy that played a brujah vampire biker, 7 times in a row. As far as I know he never played anything but that. I personally don't get it. I was merely saying that could be the reason why, is the same as people who just play the same thing over and over.
time to get started on Nera Vanatori
19 year old, female, soft featured, petite framed, 'eccentric' chelaxian witch who plays with plays with dolls. gotta find a DM who approves a 'soulbound doll' as a familiar.
The problem, Shuri, is fitting that into a campaign.
Lets think about a campaign where you are part of a group, why would the other PC's be comfortable engaging on a nasty bit of potentially fatal enterprise with a half baked teen that talks to its doll (unstable much?) that packs a heap of nasty firepower? If the person is that unstable, would you have them in your highly organised and disciplned group?
No.
So this means a lot of the Child-God concepts wont fit into the avearge group play. Now all other things aside, I've had your characters in group before, and generally the scatty nature of how they were played had me looking to nudge them in the nearest trapped pit... one moreso than the other :)
Whilst I grant that there is certainly a depth to them, and you are playing them true to design, that design does not seemed geared around the party cohension or working to the greater whole - more their own neurosis and personal desires.
SO game on and game strong, just think about how it might come across to others - and how it might fit with team synergies.
time to get started on Nera Vanatori
19 year old, female, soft featured, petite framed, 'eccentric' chelaxian witch who plays with plays with dolls. gotta find a DM who approves a 'soulbound doll' as a familiar.
Soulbound dolls do not make good familiars (although they would make decent improved familiars). I recommend them as cohorts as well.
@Shuriken Nekogami: I am glad to hear you are going to try to be less sexualized in your posts. If I might give you some advice.
Treat these boards as if you are at your FLGS(friendly local gaming store) or any public place. I play games at both places...when I am at a the store the games are PG-13...at say my friend's house the games are often R rated. Why? Because little kids and their parents come to the store to buy things. And I have seen them hear a few things from a more R rated game and leave without buying anything. Which is ultimately bad for bussiness and bad for the hobby of RPGs.
Now like I have said before I have been in games that would make you blush (though I don't sexualize minors like you do)...so it is not that I am offend by your posts...or your characters(though I tend to dislike them anyway but that is because I in general dislike the souce)..it has more to do the place you are talking about them.
time to get started on Nera Vanatori
19 year old, female, soft featured, petite framed, 'eccentric' chelaxian witch who plays with plays with dolls. gotta find a DM who approves a 'soulbound doll' as a familiar.
How is this one different from the other ones? I am taking petite frame as under developed of course, and could probably pass for 13.
The problem, Shuri, is fitting that into a campaign.
Lets think about a campaign where you are part of a group, why would the other PC's be comfortable engaging on a nasty bit of potentially fatal enterprise with a half baked teen that talks to its doll (unstable much?) that packs a heap of nasty firepower? If the person is that unstable, would you have them in your highly organised and disciplned group?
No.
So this means a lot of the Child-God concepts wont fit into the avearge group play. Now all other things aside, I've had your characters in group before, and generally the scatty nature of how they were played had me looking to nudge them in the nearest trapped pit... one moreso than the other :)
Whilst I grant that there is certainly a depth to them, and you are playing them true to design, that design does not seemed geared around the party cohension or working to the greater whole - more their own neurosis and personal desires.
SO game on and game strong, just think about how it might come across to others - and how it might fit with team synergies.
1. Big Half-Orc Andorian Fighter-used to be a bodyguard for an official who got assassinated and is bouncing from job to job. Gets noticed and is asked to do a job... He is really good at hurting people
2. Dwarven Cleric of Gorum-takes pride in making weapons for the party, and using those weapons to make people die. He might heal you, he might not, depends on how much he thinks of you. He is a no nonsense guy, and he spreads the word of Gorum by his actions and deeds3. Elven Rogue/Ranger-The assassin responsible for the fighter losing his job several years ago. It will be fun to see the interaction when the fighter finds out. Primary scout, and secondary combatant.
4. 19 year old witch who plays with dolls-
3 of these are the type you want on your team. I would probably be asking why the little girl is tagging along, and need a good reason why I should not off her in her sleep if I was not metagaming.
time to get started on Nera Vanatori
19 year old, female, soft featured, petite framed, 'eccentric' chelaxian witch who plays with plays with dolls. gotta find a DM who approves a 'soulbound doll' as a familiar.
Interesting...now make it a guy. Try it. You might find that you like it better.
3 of these are the type you want on your team. I would probably be asking why the little girl is tagging along, and need a good reason why I should not off her in her sleep if I was not metagaming.
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Here's a reason, an armorless arcane caster tends to draw fire so there should be less incoming damage coming your way. There's always time for her to have an "accident" on the way back to town.
3 of these are the type you want on your team. I would probably be asking why the little girl is tagging along, and need a good reason why I should not off her in her sleep if I was not metagaming.
Maybe because she is a little girl who plays with dolls? As a reason not to whack her in her sleep.
I mean the character could work...it depends on how it is RPed...personaly just being a adventurer usualy means you are not all there to start with.
Of course if you are playing a character too disturbed you should be prepared for the rest of the group to say 'No thanks...we don't need you anymore.'
Here's a reason, an armorless arcane caster tends to draw fire so there should be less incoming damage coming your way. There's always time for her to have an "accident" on the way back to town.3 of these are the type you want on your team. I would probably be asking why the little girl is tagging along, and need a good reason why I should not off her in her sleep if I was not metagaming.
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Either the little girl is not looking to have a successful adventure. Maybe she is better off staying home. :)
I'd like to actually read a description that doesn't say 'loli' or implies anything Nabokovian. Then we'll be getting somewhere.
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I hope this post is helpful...
I have played in a pbp with SN. In that game SN revealed that he has Asperger's Syndrome. I hope I am not breaking a confidence in sharing this, but it was said on a public forum.
My experience (which is admittedly limited) has taught me that the following is true of people with AS.
They tend to have a difficult time reading emotion. I suppose a forum makes this more even, as tone is easy to misunderstand for all of us. The hard thing when dealing with AS is to even realizing you are being off-putting. I think some of the posts here are very good because they are specific and have let SN know exactly where some lineS are. I did not do this well when I played with him. I was just creeped out. I should have said something directly, like "SN, I have no way of knowing how much hair your charcter has or does not have, except on thier head. Any other description is unsettling to me."
I have noticed that they also tend to have a very narrow, but very deep level of interest in specific things. ie, knowing great amounts about trains and having a fascination and persistant interest in discussing them.
The last thing I have noted is that people with AS like and to some degree need rules that alot of people take for granted. His post explaining what exactly he will do and not do on this forum is a good example.
To that, SN I will propose the following list of rules.
1. Choose same gendered middle aged people as a new role playing challenge. A farmer whose family was killed by monsters, or a cloistered priest who sees a vision and learns that he must go out into the world, or a village guard whose near death experience has seemingly has given him sorcerous powers. Try it for at least 6 months and with at least 3 different characters before you think about if you like it or not.
2. You will not engage in anything of a sexual nature on these boards. There is a time and a place. The paizo boards will never be either. If you find yourself thinking sexual thoughts and are driven to distraction, you will not hurt yourself, but will instead choose an activity appropriate to your value system (take a walk, or a cold shower, or going to a website dedicated to what your thinking about, or maybe just call your mom on the phone.)
3. Seek appropriate help. We can be friends, but we cannot be counselors. If your current therapy is not working it is your responsibility to find new therapy until you find some that does work. Be consistant with youtr therapy. If you find yourself in a group that is making therapy not work, you need to leave the group. Real friends understand when you need to do things to make your life better. If they support you in this, they are worth holding onto, and doing other things with. If they do not support you, they are just acting like your friends.
4. If you feel like you are not sure the best way to proceed or you find people reacting poorly to you, you will ask honest questions and try to bring yourself back in line with social expectations.
5. Improvement is expected immediately.
SN, you have a great imagination, and are a steady poster, 2 things that make you a real asset to any pbp group. If you can make these other things work better you will find everyone, yourself included having way more fun.
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Thank you for your post, Sigil. That showed insight and compassion.
Really the only time I got that pissed off about SN post are when you barge into a play by post. At first I was pissed off at trying to abuse house rules to get extra points in point buy in this thread http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/community/gaming/playByPostDiscussion/ randall793sThreeDaysToKillDiscussion&page=1#40
Also sigil would that mean if my character was wearing short pants and had harry legs you would not be able to see it?</sarcasm>
How is this one different from the other ones? I am taking petite frame as under developed of course, and could probably pass for 13.time to get started on Nera Vanatori
19 year old, female, soft featured, petite framed, 'eccentric' chelaxian witch who plays with plays with dolls. gotta find a DM who approves a 'soulbound doll' as a familiar.
not under developed. just really short and skinny. 5 feet and near 100 pounds does not neccessarily mean child. it could mean that she is rather malnourished from a neglected life.
i decided to save her for weekly william's R rated carrion crown game and redid her as a conjurer in the who are you playing thread. in this incarnation, she would summon monsters to help the players. likely augmented fiendish riding dogs at first. she does have her own personal goals, but she can put those aside for the party, because she was crazy enough to go adventuring.
the soulbound doll thing was rejected in favor of an ordinary stuffed doll, it sounds more crazy that way. for a familiar, i was thinking of a dove or a raven.
@Sigil: A very interesting post. And it does explain alot if true. I have a friend who has a rather mild case of Asperger's Syndrome so what you are saying makes sense to me to a degree. Though it is hard to tell if it is true...as all we have is his posts.
Though I would ask of NS if this true have you ever been officialy diagnosised as such...or if your current therapist is a aware of it? Maybe you should seek out a specialist.
@Sigil: A very interesting post. And it does explain alot if true. I have a friend who has a rather mild case of Asperger's Syndrome so what you are saying makes sense to me to a degree. Though it is hard to tell if it is true...as all we have is his posts.
Though I would ask of NS if this true have you ever been officialy diagnosised as such...or if your current therapist is a aware of it? Maybe you should seek out a specialist.
it's true that i have been officially diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome.
Have you ever played a male before? I might regret asking, but I think I've only ever seen you play females before. If you found yourself playing a male character who was in the same set of circumstances would you find that uncomfortable?
i have played a few male characters before. they were just a rare spur of the moment thing.
Dimitri Molotov (with weekly william) and Joseph, "The Phantom of the Raging sands" (with tuesday tony)
the former was a middle aged mad scientist (think Mayuri Kurotsuchi from bleach with a hint of batman) and the latter was a combination of Makoto Shishio, (from Rurouni Kenshin), a bit of prince of persia (whatever the protaganist's name is), a hint of Altiar from Assassins Creed, and a bit of reference to the 40 thieves.
the former was a 3.5 rogue 1/diviner 5/unseen seer 10 arcane trickster 4 by campaigns end, this guy was in his early 30s
and the latter was a 3.5 rogue 9 who fought with twin sickles. this guy was in his late 20s
SN, it's not who you post as, it's what you do when posting that's creepy. Unwanted sexual postings, from any character, is always creepy. Just cut the sexual stuff out and you'll be far better accepted.
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it's true that i have been officially diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome.@Sigil: A very interesting post. And it does explain alot if true. I have a friend who has a rather mild case of Asperger's Syndrome so what you are saying makes sense to me to a degree. Though it is hard to tell if it is true...as all we have is his posts.
Though I would ask of NS if this true have you ever been officialy diagnosised as such...or if your current therapist is a aware of it? Maybe you should seek out a specialist.
So is my son however he prefers Dwarven Sorcerers not playing little girls.
So is my son however he prefers Dwarven Sorcerers not playing little girls.it's true that i have been officially diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome.@Sigil: A very interesting post. And it does explain alot if true. I have a friend who has a rather mild case of Asperger's Syndrome so what you are saying makes sense to me to a degree. Though it is hard to tell if it is true...as all we have is his posts.
Though I would ask of NS if this true have you ever been officialy diagnosised as such...or if your current therapist is a aware of it? Maybe you should seek out a specialist.
That is meaningless as AS people will focus on one thing and become a 'expert' in it.
So the question how would you go about it to get your son not to play Dwarvern Sorcerers? Of course if it servere enough it would be impossible.
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So is my son however he prefers Dwarven Sorcerers not playing little girls.it's true that i have been officially diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome.@Sigil: A very interesting post. And it does explain alot if true. I have a friend who has a rather mild case of Asperger's Syndrome so what you are saying makes sense to me to a degree. Though it is hard to tell if it is true...as all we have is his posts.
Though I would ask of NS if this true have you ever been officialy diagnosised as such...or if your current therapist is a aware of it? Maybe you should seek out a specialist.
That is meaningless as AS people will focus on one thing and become a 'expert' in it.
So the question how would you go about it to get your son not to play Dwarvern Sorcerers? Of course if it servere enough it would be impossible.
Actually, I just ask him.
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I hope this post is helpful...
I have played in a pbp with SN. In that game SN revealed that he has Asperger's Syndrome. I hope I am not breaking a confidence in sharing this, but it was said on a public forum.
My experience (which is admittedly limited) has taught me that the following is true of people with AS.
They tend to have a difficult time reading emotion. I suppose a forum makes this more even, as tone is easy to misunderstand for all of us. The hard thing when dealing with AS is to even realizing you are being off-putting. I think some of the posts here are very good because they are specific and have let SN know exactly where some lineS are. I did not do this well when I played with him. I was just creeped out. I should have said something directly, like "SN, I have no way of knowing how much hair your charcter has or does not have, except on thier head. Any other description is unsettling to me."
I have noticed that they also tend to have a very narrow, but very deep level of interest in specific things. ie, knowing great amounts about trains and having a fascination and persistant interest in discussing them.
The last thing I have noted is that people with AS like and to some degree need rules that alot of people take for granted. His post explaining what exactly he will do and not do on this forum is a good example.
To that, SN I will propose the following list of rules.
1. Choose same gendered middle aged people as a new role playing challenge. A farmer whose family was killed by monsters, or a cloistered priest who sees a vision and learns that he must go out into the world, or a village guard whose near death experience has seemingly has given him sorcerous powers. Try it for at least 6 months and with at least 3 different characters before you think about if you like it or not.
2. You will not engage in anything of a sexual nature on these boards. There is a time and a place. The paizo boards will never be either. If you find yourself thinking sexual...
Sound suggestions all.
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I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
J. Robert Oppenheimer, Trinity (1945)
I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
J. Robert Oppenheimer, Trinity (1945)
So why are you being creepy?!?
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The Hollow Men
by T. S. Eliot
Mistah Kurtz -- he dead.
A penny for the Old Guy
I
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without color,
Paralyzed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.
II
Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.
Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer --
Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom
III
This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.
Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.
IV
The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms
In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river
Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.
V
Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.
Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long
Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
DOOOOooooOOOOM!
+Pi
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James, How do you respond to the claim there is too much sexualization of art and fantasy aimed at children? Remember this is a Senate Hearing on the future of the internet so the man in the corner with the gun is just here in case you lie.
"The man with a gun over there,
telling you you got to beware."