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Consensus of US Presidents.
Note current President not included.

Top Ten:
Abraham Lincoln
FDR
George Washington
Jefferson
Teddy Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Harry S Truman
Dwight D Eisenhower
Andrew Jackson
James K Polk

Bottom Ten:
George W. Bush
Zachary Taylor
John Tyler
Ulysses S. Grant
William Henry Harrison
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
Andrew Johnson
Warren G. Harding

Any other great Top tens or bottom tens?

Scarab Sages

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Worst ten subjects for a messageboard:

1. Politics
2. Religion
3. Abortion
4. George Bush
5. Barack Obama
6. Sarah Palin
7. 4E
8. Donald Trump's Hair
9. DC vs Marvel
10. Insert random topic here


Best / Worst Hats.

Best - Princess Beatrice and Her Hat

Worst - Princess Beatrice and Her Hat


Tensor wrote:

Best / Worst Hats.

Best - Princess Beatrice and Her Hat

Worst - Princess Beatrice and Her Hat

I liked the second one better.

Liberty's Edge

Films I've seen:

Best:
1. The Boondock Saints (1999)
2. The Thin Blue Line (1988)
3. Stalker (1979)
4. Conan the Barbarian (1982)
5. Santa Sangre (1989)
6. Falling Down (1993)
7. Gran Torino (2008)
8. Serenity (2005)
9. Kiss of the Spider Woman (1985)
10. Star Wars (1977)

Worst:
1. Even Dwarfs Started Small (1970)
2. Time Lapse (2001)
3. Yor, Hunter From The Future (1983)
4. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace (1999)
5. Battlefield Earth (2000)
6. Mazes and Monsters (1982)
7. The Room (2003)
8. Dungeons and Dragons (2000)
9. Johnny Mnemonic (1995)
10. Highlander: The Source (2007)
And many more.

Completely unclassifiable:
1. Brazil (1985)

Liberty's Edge

AZ....lol!
Shiny....what I've found is that Brazil makes way more sense the older you get, and by then it's too f@!+ing late, but at least you're not in that chair. Literally, anyhow.

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Heathansson wrote:

AZ....lol!

Shiny....what I've found is that Brazil makes way more sense the older you get, and by then it's too f~%@ing late, but at least you're not in that chair. Literally, anyhow.

Oh, I got it alright. It was an intense film, and the reason I can't put it on either list is that it gave my nightmares for weeks after watching it, and I'm too paranoid to watch it again.

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Yeah, I know. And it'll make even more sense when you're thirty.....

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Heathansson wrote:
Yeah, I know. And it'll make even more sense when you're thirty.....

Five more years...

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The boss.....he'll f%$@ you anyway. Even though it means in doing so he'll fall with his neck on the wakizashi, because he's incompetent. He's been promoted to his level of incompetence. But he'll f@*@ you nonetheless. Even if it's career suicide.
And the desk.....the desk doesn't matter. You have to fight the other guy over the desk, though. Because that's what mammals do, apparently. They fight for breeding rights.
The desk is just an excuse.
I f&!$ing hate it every time some s!$$ happens in life and I say, "WTF? That was in Brazil! What's wrong with you f*!!ers?"

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Heathansson wrote:

The boss.....he'll f$!$ you anyway. Even though it means in doing so he'll fall with his neck on the wakizashi, because he's incompetent. He's been promoted to his level of incompetence. But he'll f$%& you nonetheless. Even if it's career suicide.

And the desk.....the desk doesn't matter. You have to fight the other guy over the desk, though. Because that's what mammals do, apparently. They fight for breeding rights.
The desk is just an excuse.
I f%%#ing hate it every time some s*#@ happens in life and I say, "WTF? That was in Brazil! What's wrong with you f*##ers?"

Exactly.

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The best review of the worst comic book ever.

Silver Crusade

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The Best Worst Comic of All Time: Doom: The Comic

This thing should be required reading. It's GLORIOUS. And infectiously quotable. And then there are the dramatic readings...

The Worst Best Comic of All Time: Cerebus the Aardvark

As important as it may be to comics history and as impressive as the art is, cripes. Some comics have benefitted from their writers going completely insane. Not this one...

Scarab Sages

The best food my mom cooked when I was growing up:

A tie between Red Beans & Rice and Beef Rounds in Red Gravy

The worst food my mom cooked when I was growing up:

Shrimp Stew


The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
The best review of the worst comic book ever.

I feel my soul has died for watching that, and I did not even read the comic.

The Exchange

Aberzombie wrote:

The best food my mom cooked when I was growing up:

A tie between Red Beans & Rice and Beef Rounds in Red Gravy

The worst food my mom cooked when I was growing up:

Shrimp Stew

Red Beans and Rice - Best Mom Home cooking

Some strange meat surprise - we never spoke of it again.


Worse excuses of all time:

1. He did it first.
2. It's not my job.
3. It wasn't me.
4. I didn't make the mess.
5. But I'm tired.
6. That's woman's work.
7. But the book doesn't say I can't do it.
8. God Made me do it.
9. I don't see you doing it.
10. I don't want to.


Darth Knight wrote:

Consensus of US Presidents.

Note current President not included.

Top Ten:
.....

Bottom Ten:
.....
Ulysses S. Grant
.....

Any other great Top tens or bottom tens?

Ulysses S. Grant is my absolute favorite of the US presidents.

(From memory with no fact-checking)

Graduates from West Point, fights in the Mexican War despite his political opposition to it;

Goes back home, fails at everything he attempts;

Civil War comes (you probably all know this part of the story), goes on many binges, kicks ass up and down the Mississippi until Lincoln finally calls him east, wins Civil War;

Becomes president, under his rule American politics enters its hitherto most corrupt era, but he doesn't benefit one penny from it;

After presidency, goes broke, gets diagnosed with throat cancer;

Mark Twain offers him a deal for his memoirs, works dilligently at them through terrible pain, writes "The End" and dies later that week, family lives off royalties for the rest of their days.

That, and he was named Ulysses.

Mind you, I'm not saying he was a good president, I just adore his story.


Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Ulysses S. Grant

Some of the most interesting and well loved people are the biggest failures, and are 'well flawed' to put it nicely -- but that's because you can see the amount of effort they put into trying not to fail.

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Mikaze wrote:

The Worst Best Comic of All Time: Cerebus the Aardvark

As important as it may be to comics history and as impressive as the art is, cripes. Some comics have benefitted from their writers going completely insane. Not this one...

Completely agree on this one. I spent a year at the Savannah College of Art & Design studying comic book art, and everyone there was all "Cerebus is awesome!" But then when I went to read it, it just seemed... off.

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Darth Knight wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
The best review of the worst comic book ever.
I feel my soul has died for watching that, and I did not even read the comic.

YOU WILL REAP THE UNIVERSE, HULK HOGAN! AND WHEN YOU DO, YOU WILL DISCOVER YOUR TRUE SELF!

I just made that up on the spot. I wonder if there's a random "Ultimate Warrior" rant generator out there somewhere.

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Aberzombie wrote:

The worst food my mom cooked when I was growing up:

Shrimp Stew

The worst food my mom cooked when I was growing up:

...well, just about everything.


The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
Darth Knight wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
The best review of the worst comic book ever.
I feel my soul has died for watching that, and I did not even read the comic.

YOU WILL REAP THE UNIVERSE, HULK HOGAN! AND WHEN YOU DO, YOU WILL DISCOVER YOUR TRUE SELF!

I just made that up on the spot. I wonder if there's a random "Ultimate Warrior" rant generator out there somewhere.

No but TV tropes uses him as an example of "Wall of Text"

Liberty's Edge

Darth Knight wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
Darth Knight wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
The best review of the worst comic book ever.
I feel my soul has died for watching that, and I did not even read the comic.

YOU WILL REAP THE UNIVERSE, HULK HOGAN! AND WHEN YOU DO, YOU WILL DISCOVER YOUR TRUE SELF!

I just made that up on the spot. I wonder if there's a random "Ultimate Warrior" rant generator out there somewhere.

No but TV tropes uses him as an example of "Wall of Text"

As they should.

Good god, for a brain-dead mook, he can sure string words together...


The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
Darth Knight wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
Darth Knight wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
The best review of the worst comic book ever.
I feel my soul has died for watching that, and I did not even read the comic.

YOU WILL REAP THE UNIVERSE, HULK HOGAN! AND WHEN YOU DO, YOU WILL DISCOVER YOUR TRUE SELF!

I just made that up on the spot. I wonder if there's a random "Ultimate Warrior" rant generator out there somewhere.

No but TV tropes uses him as an example of "Wall of Text"

As they should.

Good god, for a brain-dead mook, he can sure string words together...

Yes but they do not tend to indicate a complete sentence. I wonder what he was like as a little Warrior in school with his teachers. Of course there are some things man was not meant to know.


But Yor, He is the man! xD

Silver Crusade

The last "worst presidents" list I saw had James Buchanan at the bottom. He ignored the rising tension between North and South, inadvertently escalated it a few times, and generally dithered ineffectually. I wish our "first gay president"* had been more inspirational. I'm surprised he didn't even make the bottom 10 of the OPs list.

*Ok, somewhat controversial, but there is some evidence.


Celestial Healer wrote:

I wish our "first gay president"* had been more inspirational. I'm surprised he didn't even make the bottom 10 of the OPs list.

*Ok, somewhat controversial, but there is some evidence.

There was probably more, but the family burned the letters. That's an unusual choice unless there was something in them that they wanted to suppress.


Darth Knight wrote:


Any other great Top tens or bottom tens?

Ok Woodward Wilson on the best list? Really? He might not be on the worst list but he in no way deserves to be on the best list.

And I'll add Jimmy Carter to the worst list.

Liberty's Edge

If we get to pull people off the list for best presidents, how 'bout Andrew Jackson. He disregarded the Supreme Court's orders and forced thousands of people on the trail of tears resulting in their deaths. Hell of a thing to be proud of.


Celestial Healer wrote:

The last "worst presidents" list I saw had James Buchanan at the bottom. He ignored the rising tension between North and South, inadvertently escalated it a few times, and generally dithered ineffectually. I wish our "first gay president"* had been more inspirational. I'm surprised he didn't even make the bottom 10 of the OPs list.

*Ok, somewhat controversial, but there is some evidence.

The consensus was from several poles conducted. Not in anyway shape or form my personal opinion.

Not sure If I could come up with my personal list. I am sure though that if I did I would shock most people.

*Had not heard of this before. My guess would be President Buchanan, since his first lady was his niece, but then again I have heard rumors of President Lincoln.


ShadowcatX wrote:
If we get to pull people off the list for best presidents, how 'bout Andrew Jackson. He disregarded the Supreme Court's orders and forced thousands of people on the trail of tears resulting in their deaths. Hell of a thing to be proud of.

Yeah if It was my personal list he would be on the bottom.


Samnell wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:

I wish our "first gay president"* had been more inspirational. I'm surprised he didn't even make the bottom 10 of the OPs list.

*Ok, somewhat controversial, but there is some evidence.

There was probably more, but the family burned the letters. That's an unusual choice unless there was something in them that they wanted to suppress.

Maybe, but I will leave my tin foil hat off for right now. Well that is until I know more. Whom is it that you speak of.

Scarab Sages

The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
The best review of the worst comic book ever.

Did he used to do the film reviews in 'Knights of the Dinner Table'?

Those were so on the ball.

Silver Crusade

Darth Knight wrote:
Samnell wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:

I wish our "first gay president"* had been more inspirational. I'm surprised he didn't even make the bottom 10 of the OPs list.

*Ok, somewhat controversial, but there is some evidence.

There was probably more, but the family burned the letters. That's an unusual choice unless there was something in them that they wanted to suppress.
Maybe, but I will leave my tin foil hat off for right now. Well that is until I know more. Whom is it that you speak of.

He's referring again to Buchanan. His estate burned all of his personal correspondence. One could be particularly interested in any correspondence with the man he lived with for many years (derisively called "Mrs Buchanan" by his political enemies). What remains are references to "wooing" young gentlemen, and a particular disinterest in women (the fiance of his youth complained that he was never interested in spending any time with her).


Celestial Healer wrote:
Darth Knight wrote:
Samnell wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:

I wish our "first gay president"* had been more inspirational. I'm surprised he didn't even make the bottom 10 of the OPs list.

*Ok, somewhat controversial, but there is some evidence.

There was probably more, but the family burned the letters. That's an unusual choice unless there was something in them that they wanted to suppress.
Maybe, but I will leave my tin foil hat off for right now. Well that is until I know more. Whom is it that you speak of.
He's referring again to Buchanan. His estate burned all of his personal correspondence. One could be particularly interested in any correspondence with the man he lived with for many years (derisively called "Mrs Buchanan" by his political enemies). What remains are references to "wooing" young gentlemen, and a particular disinterest in women (the fiance of his youth complained that he was never interested in spending any time with her).

I never heard that before. I know that there was at least a reference that survived saying he felt that both his fiance' and he were treated badly. Not sure if it has anything to do with it or not. Learn something new everyday as they say.

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Alright, I'm not ashamed of my ignorance - who the hell is Polk and what'd he do? Sure, I could google it or go to wikipedia, but I always prefer the edumecation you fine folks provide.

My rule of thumb - if you're not on money or a mountain, you were not a great president. Like Ben Franklin - best president ever.

Edit: And why is Tommy Jefferson the only one w/o a first name in that list?

Scarab Sages

Sebastian wrote:
My rule of thumb - if you're not on money or a mountain, you were not a great president. Like Ben Franklin - best president ever.

This statement is so full of 'WIN'.

Spoiler:
Sorry. I know it's been months, but it's still funny.

The Exchange

Sebastian wrote:


Edit: And why is Tommy Jefferson the only one w/o a first name in that list?

It's not Tommy, it's George.


Sebastian wrote:

Alright, I'm not ashamed of my ignorance - who the hell is Polk and what'd he do? Sure, I could google it or go to wikipedia, but I always prefer the edumecation you fine folks provide.

My rule of thumb - if you're not on money or a mountain, you were not a great president. Like Ben Franklin - best president ever.

Edit: And why is Tommy Jefferson the only one w/o a first name in that list?

Under James Knox Polk, the United States grew by more than a million square miles, adding territory that now composes the states of Arizona, Utah, Nevada, California, Oregon, Idaho, Washington, much of New Mexico, and portions of Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado. More than any other President, Polk pursued "Manifest Destiny," a phrase coined by his fellow Jacksonian Democrat, John L. O'Sullivan, to express the conviction that Providence had foreordained the United States to spread its republican institutions across North America. He accomplished every major goal that he set for himself as President and in the process successfully waged war against Mexico, obtaining for the United States most of its present boundaries as a nation.

A man of firm personal principles, he kept his word to retire after a single term, although he easily could have won reelection. Despite Polk's accomplishments, many historians today regard him not as a great president but as one who missed opportunities. He failed to understand the depth of popular emotion over the westward expansion of the South's "peculiar institution." This failure on his part left the issue of slavery unaddressed and thus unresolved at the end of his term in 1849.

Liberty's Edge

Darth Knight wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
Darth Knight wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
Darth Knight wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
The best review of the worst comic book ever.
I feel my soul has died for watching that, and I did not even read the comic.

YOU WILL REAP THE UNIVERSE, HULK HOGAN! AND WHEN YOU DO, YOU WILL DISCOVER YOUR TRUE SELF!

I just made that up on the spot. I wonder if there's a random "Ultimate Warrior" rant generator out there somewhere.

No but TV tropes uses him as an example of "Wall of Text"

As they should.

Good god, for a brain-dead mook, he can sure string words together...

Yes but they do not tend to indicate a complete sentence. I wonder what he was like as a little Warrior in school with his teachers. Of course there are some things man was not meant to know.

Yeah... he's like a walking Lorem Ipsum generator.

Liberty's Edge

Snorter wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
The best review of the worst comic book ever.

Did he used to do the film reviews in 'Knights of the Dinner Table'?

Those were so on the ball.

Yes, it's the same guy: Noah Antwiler, a.k.a. The Spoony One.


Darth Knight wrote:


Under James Knox Polk, the United States grew by more than a million square miles, adding territory that now composes the states of Arizona, Utah, Nevada, California, Oregon, Idaho, Washington, much of New Mexico, and portions of Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado. More than any other President, Polk pursued "Manifest Destiny," a phrase coined by his fellow Jacksonian Democrat, John L. O'Sullivan, to express the conviction that Providence had foreordained the United States to spread its republican institutions across North America. He accomplished every major goal that he set for himself as President and in the process successfully waged war against Mexico, obtaining for the United States most of its present boundaries as a nation.

A man of firm personal principles, he kept his word to retire after a single term, although he easily could have won reelection. Despite Polk's accomplishments, many historians today regard him not as a great president but as one who missed opportunities. He failed to understand the depth of popular emotion over the westward expansion of the South's "peculiar institution." This failure on his part left the issue of slavery unaddressed and thus unresolved at the end of his term in 1849.

And most importantly, They Might Be Giants did a song about him


Abbasax wrote:
Darth Knight wrote:


Under James Knox Polk, the United States grew by more than a million square miles, adding territory that now composes the states of Arizona, Utah, Nevada, California, Oregon, Idaho, Washington, much of New Mexico, and portions of Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado. More than any other President, Polk pursued "Manifest Destiny," a phrase coined by his fellow Jacksonian Democrat, John L. O'Sullivan, to express the conviction that Providence had foreordained the United States to spread its republican institutions across North America. He accomplished every major goal that he set for himself as President and in the process successfully waged war against Mexico, obtaining for the United States most of its present boundaries as a nation.

A man of firm personal principles, he kept his word to retire after a single term, although he easily could have won reelection. Despite Polk's accomplishments, many historians today regard him not as a great president but as one who missed opportunities. He failed to understand the depth of popular emotion over the westward expansion of the South's "peculiar institution." This failure on his part left the issue of slavery unaddressed and thus unresolved at the end of his term in 1849.

And most importantly, They Might Be Giants did a song about him

Epic Win.

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

He's endorsed by They Might be Giants?!

Nuff said.

So, the revised best list would be:

1. Polk
2. Benjamin Franklin
3. Richard Nixon (robot body incarnation)
4. Richard Nixon (5 term Watchmen incarnation)
5. Richard Nixon (original flavor)

And the revised worst list would be:

1. Garfield (3rd life, pharoah version)
2. Richard Nixon (Bender robot body incarnation)
3. Dr. Strangelove
4. Dr. Pepper
5. Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho


Sebastian wrote:

And the revised worst list would be:

...
5. Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

WHAT? I'd vote for him in a heartbeat!

Liberty's Edge

Camacho rules!

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

You Camacho apologists make me sick.


Bah! Camacho was a great leader!

* He admitted when somebody else could solve a problem he could not;
* He found the best person to do the job;
* He gave them the authority they needed;
* He provided serious motivation;
* He followed through on threats with swift action;
* He admitted his mistake;
* He publically acknowledged his subordinate's success.

In addition, he knew how to stage a parade and handle an unruly Congress. Camacho: Best. Pres. Ever.

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Yeah, but he's no where near as important as Ben Franklin. Let's review his achievements, shall we:

* Invented electricity with a kite and a key;
* Had a pithy saying for every character fault a body could want;
* Styling glasses;
* A smooth pimp who loved the ladies;
* Jowels of steel; and
* Inventor of the nipple ring.

Seriously, Camacho doesn't even compare.

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