It doesn't apply to the regular eidolon, unless you use the summon eidolon spell to get it.
It works with the summon monster spell-like abilities.
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does augment summoning work with eidolons or with the summoners spell like ability to summon monsters
Off the top of my head, I know it doesn't work with the eidolon, but I can't remember if it does with the SLA
edit: "I don't care what the spell does. It does not make your eidolon 'digivolve'!"
Augment Summon spell is a booster for Summon Monster, I don't think it works with the Summon Eidolon spell.
Augment Summoning: Each creature you conjure with any summon spell gains a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Constitution for the duration of the spell that summoned it.
The real question I have is can you use the Summon Eidolon spell with the Summon Monster SLA?
Summon Monster I (Sp): Starting at 1st level, a summoner can cast summon monster I as a spell-like ability...
At 3rd level, and every 2 levels thereafter, the power of this ability increases by one spell level, allowing him to summon more powerful creatures (to a maximum of summon monster IX at 17th level). At 19th level, this ability can be used as gate or summon monster IX.Summon Eidolon and Summon Swarm are not part of the Summon Monster progression, and would not be covered by the SLA.
Augment Summon spell is a booster for Summon Monster, I don't think it works with the Summon Eidolon spell.Augment Summoning: Each creature you conjure with any summon spell gains a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Constitution for the duration of the spell that summoned it.
The real question I have is can you use the Summon Eidolon spell with the Summon Monster SLA?Summon Monster I (Sp): Starting at 1st level, a summoner can cast summon monster I as a spell-like ability...
At 3rd level, and every 2 levels thereafter, the power of this ability increases by one spell level, allowing him to summon more powerful creatures (to a maximum of summon monster IX at 17th level). At 19th level, this ability can be used as gate or summon monster IX.Summon Eidolon and Summon Swarm are not part of the Summon Monster progression, and would not be covered by the SLA.
Looking at the wording of the SLA, the spell and the feat, I would say that the following would be true:
- A summoner could summon monsters with his summon monster SLA at the same time as his eidolon using the summon eidolon spell.
- An eidolon summoned by the spell gets the boost from augment summoning, since the feat specifically boosts it for all summoning spells, which summon eidolon is
- summon swarm also get's the boost, since it's a summon spell, but a summoner cannot call it with his SLAs
summon swarm also get's the boost, since it's a summon spell, but a summoner cannot call it with his SLAs
There's been a developer post stating that the feat functions with the SLA.
There's been a developer post stating that the feat functions with the SLA.summon swarm also get's the boost, since it's a summon spell, but a summoner cannot call it with his SLAs
Thanks for the info, did not know that. Do you have a link to that? However, until I see it officially errataed (i.e. the SLA text or the feat text updated), I would not let it count in my games, and I am sure my other DMs would not allow it either.
Thanks for the info, did not know that. Do you have a link to that? However, until I see it officially errataed (i.e. the SLA text or the feat text updated), I would not let it count in my games, and I am sure my other DMs would not allow it either.
Though if you're not willing to accept developer clarification, I don't know why you'd follow any official errata. The developers are the ones who create the errata, and somethings they decide to leave out if its been clarified in a clear manner on the boards; they consider their clarifying posts here to be official errata.
Thanks for the info, did not know that. Do you have a link to that? However, until I see it officially errataed (i.e. the SLA text or the feat text updated), I would not let it count in my games, and I am sure my other DMs would not allow it either.Though if you're not willing to accept developer clarification, I don't know why you'd follow any official errata. The developers are the ones who create the errata, and somethings they decide to leave out if its been clarified in a clear manner on the boards; they consider their clarifying posts here to be official errata.
I am still waiting for the update to the arcane archer removing the elven heritage requirement. Though it has been posted before that it will be removed, it has not yet happened, although a new errata had been released (unless I am mixing something up now).
I have no problems accepting clarifications (such as for an unclear wording), but SLAs, the feat and spells are well defined and distinct entities, and you could also argue that allowing the feat for SLAs provides a further unnecessary boost to the summoner class' power.
So if it is put into an official errata, it means to me that all developer's looked at it and decided: "Yes, we're sure this is OK" and not "Oh, we thought back then it was OK, but now we know better, we do not let it count after all".
I'll think about it, though. Also, anyone can rule in their own games as they want, so have fun :-)
Thanks for the info, did not know that. Do you have a link to that? However, until I see it officially errataed (i.e. the SLA text or the feat text updated), I would not let it count in my games, and I am sure my other DMs would not allow it either.Though if you're not willing to accept developer clarification, I don't know why you'd follow any official errata. The developers are the ones who create the errata, and somethings they decide to leave out if its been clarified in a clear manner on the boards; they consider their clarifying posts here to be official errata.
Oh, and thanks for the link!
There's been a developer post stating that the feat functions with the SLA.summon swarm also get's the boost, since it's a summon spell, but a summoner cannot call it with his SLAs
I got the impression that Sangalor was trying to say that the Summoner can't use his SLAs to get the equivalent of a summon swarm. Which is true.
Looking at the wording of the SLA, the spell and the feat, I would say that the following would be true:
A summoner could summon monsters with his summon monster SLA at the same time as his eidolon using the summon eidolon spell.
The SLA says "he can only use this ability when his eidolon is not summoned"
If the Eidolon is summoned via ritual or spell, it's still summoned, and the SLA will not function.
Looking at the wording of the SLA, the spell and the feat, I would say that the following would be true:
A summoner could summon monsters with his summon monster SLA at the same time as his eidolon using the summon eidolon spell.
The SLA says "he can only use this ability when his eidolon is not summoned"
If the Eidolon is summoned via ritual or spell, it's still summoned, and the SLA will not function.
I believe this whole thing is intended to avoid a summoner having his eidolon present AND spamming summoned monsters. So the summoner's summon eidolon ability is not supposed to be used together with summon monster SLA ability.
However, once you use the spell summon eidolon, all the restrictions of a summoned monster seem to apply (limited duration, circles work etc.), but you are allowed to call a specific creature (your eidolon) to assist you. So IMO it should be permissable to have both monsters and your eidolon present in this situation. At least I would allow it.
There's been a developer post stating that the feat functions with the SLA.summon swarm also get's the boost, since it's a summon spell, but a summoner cannot call it with his SLAs
I got the impression that Sangalor was trying to say that the Summoner can't use his SLAs to get the equivalent of a summon swarm. Which is true.
I was trying to say both, actually :-)
1. You cannot summon swarms with the summon monster SLA
2. IMO, according to RAW, augment summoning does not work on the monsters summoned via the summon monster SLA. There is a post by Jason that states otherwise, though.
From what I can tell summoning the Eidolon by ANY means draws on the same channel as the Summon Monster SLA, especially if the intent is to keep you from mixing both in play. The only purpose of the spell may be to give you an option to summon the Eidolon using something quicker than a 10 minute ritual.
Looking at the wording of the SLA, the spell and the feat, I would say that the following would be true:
A summoner could summon monsters with his summon monster SLA at the same time as his eidolon using the summon eidolon spell.
The SLA says "he can only use this ability when his eidolon is not summoned"
If the Eidolon is summoned via ritual or spell, it's still summoned, and the SLA will not function.
I believe this whole thing is intended to avoid a summoner having his eidolon present AND spamming summoned monsters. So the summoner's summon eidolon ability is not supposed to be used together with summon monster SLA ability.
However, once you use the spell summon eidolon, all the restrictions of a summoned monster seem to apply (limited duration, circles work etc.), but you are allowed to call a specific creature (your eidolon) to assist you. So IMO it should be permissable to have both monsters and your eidolon present in this situation. At least I would allow it.
Hm, to me that is not clear. I can understand your reasoning, but the spell description temporarily makes an ordinary summoned monster out of it. The duration of minutes also seems to hint at that.
At least I would allow them to be used this way. After all, the summoner burns his spell slots for it, and his eidolon is going to be much weaker (protection from evil works against it, can be dispelled etc.) than in its usual form.
The only purpose of the spell may be to give you an option to summon the Eidolon using something quicker than a 10 minute ritual.
It only takes 1 minute to summon the eidolon. Another benefit of the spell is you can use it to summon the eidolon even if it was sent back due to damage instead of waiting until the next day.
Don't forget, you can use the eidolon (either via ritual or spell) and still summon monsters by casting the SM spells, just not using the SLA.
The only purpose of the spell may be to give you an option to summon the Eidolon using something quicker than a 10 minute ritual.It only takes 1 minute to summon the eidolon. Another benefit of the spell is you can use it to summon the eidolon even if it was sent back due to damage instead of waiting until the next day.
Don't forget, you can use the eidolon (either via ritual or spell) and still summon monsters by casting the SM spells, just not using the SLA.
Good point! One of my players wants to bring a summoner in next time - I am curious if he will get the same idea :-P