
Enkili |
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My old game group is restarting a game that has been in hiatus for around a year now and changing from 3.5 to pathfinder. In the old game I played a monk, and in the rewrite a few questions came up.
First off, comparing Touch of Serenity to Stunning Fist, Touch of Serenity sucks. Serene creatures can't attack or cast spells, but suffer no other penalties while stunned creatures can take NO actions AND are denied heir dex bonus AND take a -2 to AC. That is until I noticed Touch of Serenity does not contain the line, "Constructs, oozes, plants, undead, incorporeal creatures, and creatures immune to critical hits cannot be stunned." Does Touch of Serenity affect all of these types? Most of these things generally don't have to worry about will saves, so was that line not included because of that effect? It doesn't actually say it is a mind-affecting effect, but is it implied? If it does affect those creature types, how do you justify the serenity effect on constructs (and oozes for that matter), flavor-wise?
Second can you mix the two (and some of the other monk feats) on the same target? If one fails can you try the other?
I guess that's it. Any general advice for a Pathfinder monk?

Davick |

My old game group is restarting a game that has been in hiatus for around a year now and changing from 3.5 to pathfinder. In the old game I played a monk, and in the rewrite a few questions came up.
First off, comparing Touch of Serenity to Stunning Fist, Touch of Serenity sucks. Serene creatures can't attack or cast spells, but suffer no other penalties while stunned creatures can take NO actions AND are denied heir dex bonus AND take a -2 to AC. That is until I noticed Touch of Serenity does not contain the line, "Constructs, oozes, plants, undead, incorporeal creatures, and creatures immune to critical hits cannot be stunned." Does Touch of Serenity affect all of these types? Most of these things generally don't have to worry about will saves, so was that line not included because of that effect? It doesn't actually say it is a mind-affecting effect, but is it implied? If it does affect those creature types, how do you justify the serenity effect on constructs (and oozes for that matter), flavor-wise?
Second can you mix the two (and some of the other monk feats) on the same target? If one fails can you try the other?
I guess that's it. Any general advice for a Pathfinder monk?
Interesting. From what I see, ToS would affect anyone no timmune to will save effects. Touch of serenity doesn't have to be a mind effect, and it could affect a construct. A monk that could calm the raging waters of a water elemental for a turn just by touching it, sounds pretty iconic to me.
General advice? Be careful.

Enkili |

Interesting. From what I see, ToS would affect anyone no timmune to will save effects. Touch of serenity doesn't have to be a mind effect, and it could affect a construct. A monk that could calm the raging waters of a water elemental for a turn just by touching it, sounds pretty iconic to me.
General advice? Be careful.
Thanks. I guess I'll just be touching the constructs (and undead, and plants) and sending them, "Good, good, good, good vibrations."