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I'm new to the Pathfinder society and there is a question I have that may have already been answered in previous posts but I have been unable to find clarification on my own. It regards mostly to weapons as I'm interested in weapons that may not be commonly found during scenarios. I am aware that +1 weapons are always available but my question regards anything more potent.
Let's say I want to play with an Aldori Dueling Sword which is a relatively uncommon weapon. I can buy one, get it to a +1 and all that. However, if I want to upgrade it beyond that I've found two possible scenarios that are not directly countered by the rules. The first is that for anything more powerful, I'd have to wait until I found a +2 Aldori Dueling Sword or a +1 Flaming Burst Aldori Dueling Sword (for example) in a scenario. In that case, I find it unlikely at best I'd find more than one and would be better served going with a more common weapon like a longsword. If I do find this upgrade, I can pay the difference of my +1 Dueling Sword and the new one I find but otherwise cannot upgrade it and I have to have a corresponding faction TPA to make that purchase.
The other is that I can get up to a +1 dueling sword, then wait until my TPA is high enough that I can buy whatever further enhancements I wanted. In this case 22 in order to upgrade from my +1 to a +2 or to a +1 Flaming. If this is the case, than it implies I can buy equipment found during scenarios regardless of TPA but anything else would have to wait until my TPA gets high enough.
I wonder if either scenario in this case are correct or if neither. Perhaps both are partially correct. Any assistance I receive would be greatly appreciated.
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The other is that I can get up to a +1 dueling sword, then wait until my TPA is high enough that I can buy whatever further enhancements I wanted. In this case 22 in order to upgrade from my +1 to a +2 or to a +1 Flaming. If this is the case, than it implies I can buy equipment found during scenarios regardless of TPA but anything else would have to wait until my TPA gets high enough.
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This.The other is that I can get up to a +1 dueling sword, then wait until my TPA is high enough that I can buy whatever further enhancements I wanted. In this case 22 in order to upgrade from my +1 to a +2 or to a +1 Flaming. If this is the case, than it implies I can buy equipment found during scenarios regardless of TPA but anything else would have to wait until my TPA gets high enough.
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+1This.The other is that I can get up to a +1 dueling sword, then wait until my TPA is high enough that I can buy whatever further enhancements I wanted. In this case 22 in order to upgrade from my +1 to a +2 or to a +1 Flaming. If this is the case, than it implies I can buy equipment found during scenarios regardless of TPA but anything else would have to wait until my TPA gets high enough.
Almost this.
You'll need 27 not 22 TPA. You have to cover the full cost of the weapon, not just the upgrade cost with TPA so you need 8000 (enchantment) + 300 (masterwork) + cost of weapon. 22 TPA only covers you for 8k, so you can't actually buy any +2 equivalent weapons with it.
Venture-Agent, Virginia—Hampton Roads
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+1This.The other is that I can get up to a +1 dueling sword, then wait until my TPA is high enough that I can buy whatever further enhancements I wanted. In this case 22 in order to upgrade from my +1 to a +2 or to a +1 Flaming. If this is the case, than it implies I can buy equipment found during scenarios regardless of TPA but anything else would have to wait until my TPA gets high enough.
Almost this.
You'll need 27 not 22 TPA. You have to cover the full cost of the weapon, not just the upgrade cost with TPA so you need 8000 (enchantment) + 300 (masterwork) + cost of weapon. 22 TPA only covers you for 8k, so you can't actually buy any +2 equivalent weapons with it.
I hope that is fixed in the upcoming GENCON rules update because waiting till 27 PA is way to long to wait for a +2 weapon.
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Venture-Agent, Virginia—Hampton Roads
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That is around 4th/5th level... sound about right to me for a +2 weapon..
I hope that is fixed in the upcoming GENCON rules update because waiting till 27 PA is way to long to wait for a +2 weapon.
Don't forget people run season zero games and not everyone get 2 PA every time they play.
Most of my Level 6-7 players don't have access to +2 weapons yet and their isn't many on chronicle sheets and assuming you made 2 PA everytime in every session you would need to have 14 Sessions which is level 5 at the earliest so no level 4's.
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That is around 4th/5th level... sound about right to me for a +2 weapon..
I hope that is fixed in the upcoming GENCON rules update because waiting till 27 PA is way to long to wait for a +2 weapon.
Don't forget people run season zero games and not everyone get 2 PA every time they play.
Most of my Level 6-7 players don't have access to +2 weapons yet and their isn't many on chronicle sheets and assuming you made 2 PA everytime in every session you would need to have 14 Sessions which is level 5 at the earliest so no level 4's.
Your math is off 14 sessions is level 4.. 15 sessions is level 5.. That is why I said Level 4/5 to take into the account of not getting 2 pa per session..
some unlucky will not get that much, but the average should have it by at least level 5, and at best level 4..
those PCs that started with Season 0 may get it a little later, but current ones most likely on average get it at the best level 4 at the worse early level 6.. which is still about right for a +2 weapon.
My Season 0 PC got his at level 6, My others got theirs at level 4.
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Venture-Agent, Virginia—Hampton Roads
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That is around 4th/5th level... sound about right to me for a +2 weapon..
I hope that is fixed in the upcoming GENCON rules update because waiting till 27 PA is way to long to wait for a +2 weapon.
Don't forget people run season zero games and not everyone get 2 PA every time they play.
Most of my Level 6-7 players don't have access to +2 weapons yet and their isn't many on chronicle sheets and assuming you made 2 PA everytime in every session you would need to have 14 Sessions which is level 5 at the earliest so no level 4's.
Your math is off 14 sessions is level 4.. 15 sessions is level 5.. That is why I said Level 4/5 to take into the account of not getting 2 pa per session..
some unlucky will not get that much, but the average should have it by at least level 5, and at best level 4..
those PCs that started with Season 0 may get it a little later, but current ones most likely on average get it at the best level 4 at the worse early level 6.. which is still about right for a +2 weapon.
My Season 0 PC got his at level 6, My others got theirs at level 4.
You sure on that? 14 session is level 5 to me.
Level - # of Sessions
1 - 0
2 - 3
3 - 6
4 - 9
5 - 12
6 - 15
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Venture-Agent, Virginia—Hampton Roads
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Yeah mis counted.. kept dividing 14/3 which got me 4 of course.. realized the mistake a few seconds ago.. also re looked at my season 1+ pc, he is level 5...
I felt a said something wrong after I walked away, you caught me before I could fix it.. ;)
No problems. I am stuck at home dog sitting a sick mutt so I have nothing better to do than hound the boards tonight.
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Is there an equivalent mechanic for improving, for instance, a +2 strength item to a +4 strength item? Or does the old one always have to be sold for 1/2 price, and the coin from that potentially put towards the new +4 strength item?
EDIT: P.S. Paul, I think you DMd the demise of my brave but foolish halfling adventurer last year at Gen Con: Rico Gustavo Marinara. Drinks will be downed in his memory on the anniversary of his death at Gen Con 2012.
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Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Central & West
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Is there an equivalent mechanic for improving, for instance, a +2 strength item to a +4 strength item? Or does the old one always have to be sold for 1/2 price, and the coin from that potentially put towards the new +4 strength item?
Yes, you would need enough Fame to buy for the +4 version of the belt, but you would only have to pay the difference between the +2 and +4 version's costs. (12000 gold) No need to sell back the +2 version.
EDIT: See this FAQ entry
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Is there an equivalent mechanic for improving, for instance, a +2 strength item to a +4 strength item? Or does the old one always have to be sold for 1/2 price, and the coin from that potentially put towards the new +4 strength item?Yes, you would need enough Fame to buy for the +4 version of the belt, but you would only have to pay the difference between the +2 and +4 version's costs. (12000 gold) No need to sell back the +2 version.
That looks like a logical extension of what is in the guide to organized play. I was thinking it only addressed weapons and armor, but the guide pretty clearly says "item", using the +1 sword as an example.
Has expanding a +2 strength item to an item that gives +2 strength and +2 constitution bonuses ever been addressed?
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Has expanding a +2 strength item to an item that gives +2 strength and +2 constitution bonuses ever been addressed?
Yes, it works.
You cannot upgrade an item to an item of a different name with the exception of belts and headbands being upgraded to include more than one stat bonus (and the requisite change in name from belt of mighty constitution to belt of physical might, for example). You cannot upgrade from a non-named item to a named item.-Mark Moreland
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Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Central & West
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Has expanding a +2 strength item to an item that gives +2 strength and +2 constitution bonuses ever been addressed?Yes, it works.
You cannot upgrade an item to an item of a different name with the exception of belts and headbands being upgraded to include more than one stat bonus (and the requisite change in name from belt of mighty constitution to belt of physical might, for example). You cannot upgrade from a non-named item to a named item.-Mark Moreland
Link of officialnessocity: LINK
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So am I reading this right in that the chronicle sheets give you access to new things, while fame gives you access to items that would otherwise cost insane amounts but not be on the chronicles from various adventures? In a similar vein to the ancient question in the OP, I'm hoping to eventually be able to purchase a Flask of Endless Sake, which I think I'm going to be waiting a long, long time before that shows up on a chronicle sheet.
It was my understand I had to wait for (if ever) it to show up, but is it possible I can just purchase it when my TPA gets high enough regardless of whether or not I have found one?
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Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Central & West
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So am I reading this right in that the chronicle sheets give you access to new things, while fame gives you access to items that would otherwise cost insane amounts but not be on the chronicles from various adventures? In a similar vein to the ancient question in the OP, I'm hoping to eventually be able to purchase a Flask of Endless Sake, which I think I'm going to be waiting a long, long time before that shows up on a chronicle sheet.
It was my understand I had to wait for (if ever) it to show up, but is it possible I can just purchase it when my TPA gets high enough regardless of whether or not I have found one?
Since it's 4000gold (I think), you can purchase it without it being on a chronicle sheet when you hit 18 Fame. That's about level 3-4, depending on how you do with things like faction missions. Not very long.
So, as far as items go, you can buy items straight from the Pathfinder Society (the "Always Available" items, and items off of your chronicle sheets) or from your faction, who limits your purchases based on your Fame score. Even if you don't have a high enough Fame score, you can purchase from your faction, if you can buy it from the Society itself, then you can get it.
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Stone,
The chronical sheets are almost pointless as far as treasure acquisition goes. The vast majority of things you buy you get through your faction by having a high fame score. While you are never going to kill a kobold and loot a flask of endless sake, one you are known enough to your faction you can go to your faction head, drop a bag of gold on the table and say "one flask of endless sake please"
How much is a flask of enless sake and what book is it out of?
THere are three ways to acquire something
1) Its on the always available list (mundane equipment, +1 weapons armor and shields, special materials other than dragonskin)
2) Its on a chronical sheet (rarely relevant)
3) Fame: you can buy nearly any legal item with a high enough fame score. I always seem short on gold rather than fame.
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RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
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Stone,
The chronical sheets are almost pointless as far as treasure acquisition goes. The vast majority of things you buy you get through your faction by having a high fame score. While you are never going to kill a kobold and loot a flask of endless sake, one you are known enough to your faction you can go to your faction head, drop a bag of gold on the table and say "one flask of endless sake please"
How much is a flask of enless sake and what book is it out of?
THere are three ways to acquire something
1) Its on the always available list (mundane equipment, +1 weapons armor and shields, special materials other than dragonskin)
2) Its on a chronical sheet (rarely relevant)
3) Fame: you can buy nearly any legal item with a high enough fame score. I always seem short on gold rather than fame.
Pretty much this. I sort of picture the Fame limit as vendors being wary of you actually having that much cash, and not wanting to sell such an expensive item to someone who, for all they know, robbed a bank to get the coinage. Get your Fame high enough, and they're saying "Oh, it's you! Why certainly, of course I could sell this item to such a well-known citizen as yourself!"
Side note: The items you really want to look for on chronicle sheets are ones that are otherwise not legal for purchase: wands and scrolls of higher-than-minimum CL, partially-charged wands, decent poisons, and even the occasional custom/unique item.
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Anyone know if things like bracers of archery to greater bracers of archery has been addressed?
It has never been addressed directly, so the answer right now is no. Same can be said of metamagic rods for example. Can't upgrade those. Basic rule I tell my players is "if it has a +X in the name" then you can upgrade it.