Second Chance Feat

[The Crusader]

Quote:

When making a full attack, if you miss on your first attack, you can forgo making any other attack for the rest of your turn to reroll that attack at your highest base attack bonus.

I am building an Antipaladin/Assassin as a nemesis for my players, and I am wondering:

Would using this feat allow me to get a second chance with a Death Attack or with Channel Smite? Or are those abilities spent as they would normally be on a missed attack?

[Russ Taylor]

The Crusader wrote:

Quote:

When making a full attack, if you miss on your first attack, you can forgo making any other attack for the rest of your turn to reroll that attack at your highest base attack bonus.

I am building an Antipaladin/Assassin as a nemesis for my players, and I am wondering:

Would using this feat allow me to get a second chance with a Death Attack or with Channel Smite? Or are those abilities spent as they would normally be on a missed attack?

As far as I'm concerned, it's as though you never missed, except you can't take your other attacks. So all your carriers on the attack would still apply.

[Tom Baumbach]

Interesting question; I'm inclined to say that yes, anything that would have triggered with a successful first roll would trigger with a successful reroll.

Edit: ninjas are out in force today.

[The Crusader]

Also, the feat doesn't specify melee, so I assume ranged attacks apply. Does that mean this feat works with a Heavy Crossbow? A Ballista? What about thrown weapons that are no longer in your hands?

I would probably rule against any of that as DM, but it is left kind of open ended...

[cwslyclgh]

The Crusader wrote:

Also, the feat doesn't specify melee, so I assume ranged attacks apply. Does that mean this feat works with a Heavy Crossbow? A Ballista? What about thrown weapons that are no longer in your hands?

I would probably rule against any of that as DM, but it is left kind of open ended...

well with a heavy crossbow you'll not be making a full attack (unless you have the Crossbow Mastery feat, at which point reloading it is a free action) You are certainly not going to be taking the full attack action with a ballista.

in any case I think you are missing the point of the feat, if you miss with the first attack you are not making another attack real quick at the same bonus, you are actually re-rolling the first attack roll... you are in effect turning back time and making that exact same attack over again, the feat supplies you with a 'do over' at the cost of any remaining attacks that have in the round.

[Are]

The Crusader wrote:

Also, the feat doesn't specify melee, so I assume ranged attacks apply. Does that mean this feat works with a Heavy Crossbow? A Ballista? What about thrown weapons that are no longer in your hands?

I would probably rule against any of that as DM, but it is left kind of open ended...

The feat doesn't say you make the attack again. It says that you make the attack roll again. Only the result of the attack roll will change, not any of the circumstances of that attack roll.

So, everything is exactly the same as it was originally. It's just that the gods of luck decided to give you a "second chance" to hit with that attack, but in return you have to give up the chance to make further attacks.

You can use it just fine with ammunition weapons and thrown weapons.

[Russ Taylor]

You can also explain it non-mystically as you realized the attack was going awry in time, and recovered to attack more accurately. But the adjustments to your aim cost you the rest of your action.