Replay rules rear their ugly head again.

[godsDMit]

0gre wrote:

TwilightKnight wrote:

I have had a couple of occasions where the players left because they arrived, without knowing what was offered, only to find out both tables would be replay. They left very disgusted.

I am not going to shelf the scheduled mod, that some players specifically came to play, and run MotFF just because of a re-player.

Most shops I've been to have a schedule online and people can show up or not based on the schedule. If they show without without checking the schedule it's on them and they know it.

Agreed.

We have our events put up on the store's website, and have a group FB page as well, for those who want to know whats being run when.

[Mok]

Callarek wrote:

Again, once you start bending the rules, where do you stop?

Where ever it seems prudent. "Context is Everything"

It's one thing to be in a tournament format at Gencon, it's another thing to be in a home game. And there is a wide degree of contexts between those two poles.

Absolute fidelity to the RAW can cause a lot of problems and even damage to the whole point of the endeavor. The rules are there to facilitate having a good and positive experience and promote the game further. The system relies on people to make prudent decisions and not just toss people into the grinder.

One could argue, "but this will lead to chaos!" but the key word is "prudent" decisions. It assumes people can make rational decisions, which is quite different from logical decisions. Axiomatic logic is only a tool for the judger to draw upon to help come to prudent decisions. Emotion, intuition and context all play a part in making good decisions.

[Bomanz]

Forgive me for not reading through a few hundred posts on here, but quick question please:

If you replay the same scenario under PPP rules, as a different character with a different faction, do you get PA, Gold, and Experience for doing so??

I am getting a variety of answers to this question locally.

Thanks!

[Auke Teeninga]

Bomanz wrote:

Forgive me for not reading through a few hundred posts on here, but quick question please:

If you replay the same scenario under PPP rules, as a different character with a different faction, do you get PA, Gold, and Experience for doing so??

I am getting a variety of answers to this question locally.

Thanks!

No, you can earn only 1 Chronicle for playing and 1 for GMming.

See here

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Auke Teeninga wrote:

Bomanz wrote:

Forgive me for not reading through a few hundred posts on here, but quick question please:

If you replay the same scenario under PPP rules, as a different character with a different faction, do you get PA, Gold, and Experience for doing so??

I am getting a variety of answers to this question locally.

Thanks!

No, you can earn only 1 Chronicle for playing and 1 for GMming.

See here

More specifically, the current edition of the Guide to PFS Organized Play still has the old rule you mention printed in it, but there is the official stickied post by the folks in charge, as noted above, that replaces the old rule. So because of this, there are people still going by the old rule but there are plenty using the new rule. The general opinion is that once you find out about the new rule, you should be honorable and abide by it, though I seriously doubt there will be any penalty for those that are still using the printed rule and waiting for the new rule to be put into the Guide.

[cblome59]

With this much uproar over the rule, I don't think many people realize just how lucky they are.

Only WOTC has put out more modules in an organized play campaign than Pathfinder. Almost all of the others you are happy to get your 1 mod a month with no need for replay and no desire (at least noone making long post chains on it repeatedly)

The simplest solution is this. Make it a Game Club and not a PFS day.

There are so many other games out there that can supplement PFS, sometimes quite nicely. If you are playing more than twice a month, it's basically a necessity.

Try Shadowrun Missions
Try Chronicles of the Shattered Empire (New Arcanis)
Try Witch Hunter
Try Heroes of Rokugan
(There are more still!)

If your game days are running thin, these may keep some players in the store until you get the new PFS mods.

[Shieldknight]

cblome59 wrote:

With this much uproar over the rule, I don't think many people realize just how lucky they are.

Only WOTC has put out more modules in an organized play campaign than Pathfinder. Almost all of the others you are happy to get your 1 mod a month with no need for replay and no desire (at least noone making long post chains on it repeatedly)

The simplest solution is this. Make it a Game Club and not a PFS day.

There are so many other games out there that can supplement PFS, sometimes quite nicely. If you are playing more than twice a month, it's basically a necessity.

Try Shadowrun Missions
Try Chronicles of the Shattered Empire (New Arcanis)
Try Witch Hunter
Try Heroes of Rokugan
(There are more still!)

If your game days are running thin, these may keep some players in the store until you get the new PFS mods.

Add an AP.

[godsDMit]

Suggesting "Add an AP" has been done probably a half dozen times already in this one thread, being shot down almost every time its been acknowledged, by the 'the same people cant/dont show up every time, so its hard to manage'.

[cblome59]

Shieldknight wrote:

Add an AP.

I like the idea of running an AP at the stores, but see this as a much more conditional opportunity.

[Shieldknight]

godsDMit wrote:

Suggesting "Add an AP" has been done probably a half dozen times already in this one thread, being shot down almost every time its been acknowledged, by the 'the same people cant/dont show up every time, so its hard to manage'.

I know, I was just reiterating it.

But, if we are going to make suggestions, may I throw something out there.
I suggest running an AP. Specifically, Kingmaker. With this AP you could have up to 11 different players, where only 4 need show up to play.
Please hear me out. There are 11 leadership roles in this AP, and because of the sandbox type of style, can easily be run as 4 to 6 hour "mod" like games. If you have players who are behind on experience, have them run through some additional random encounters. Or just do what I did with my group, level them as you see fit. It can be easily assumed that while the 4 to 6 characters (of the players that show up) are out running around the country side taking care of "problems", the other characters (whose players did not show up) are busy running the kingdom. When they are done for the day, they put together a short set of notes of anything they found, so that whoever plays the next week can pick up where the other group left off. And as long as at least one player plays the following week, this shouldn't be a problem. And if you have someone new who wasn't there from the beginning, perhaps they are a mercenary or traveler who can help in a time of need. Who knows, they may like it so much that they will stick around as a hired gun. I honestly believe that this adventure path especially opens itself up to this style of play.

[godsDMit]

That sounds pretty reasonable, actually. Now, if only I could get someone to run a Kingmaker game for me, lol.

Im actually wanting to get into one, but dont have anyone to run it. Im currently running a few of our PFS through RotR on our off weeks, but the others are left out to dry on that.

[Arnim Thayer]

The crew from Championship Games is working on converting old 3.5 modules to Pathfinder, some WotC and some Paizo. I am currently working to convert my favorite Paizo modules, the Kobold King series. Others on their way include some FR modules and a few others so secretive I dare not mention!

[Shieldknight]

Arnim Thayer wrote:

I am currently working to convert my favorite Paizo modules, the Kobold King series.

I recently purchased the Kobold series in hopes of running it for new-to-Pathfinder players. And I plan on converting it as well. Perhaps we could help each other out?

shieldknight01 <at> yahoo <dot> com

[ThornDJL7]

I'm confused, where does it say when you replay a scenario under the play play play rules with a different character in a different faction that you don't get experience or credit as a player?

For reference I have the latest version (Version 3.0.2—10/7/10) of the rules and I'm not seeing it. Is there something I'm missing?

[Thea Peters]

ThornDJL7 wrote:

I'm confused, where does it say when you replay a scenario under the play play play rules with a different character in a different faction that you don't get experience or credit as a player?

For reference I have the latest version (Version 3.0.2—10/7/10) of the rules and I'm not seeing it. Is there something I'm missing?

Official Rule

[ThornDJL7]

Thea Peters wrote:

ThornDJL7 wrote:

I'm confused, where does it say when you replay a scenario under the play play play rules with a different character in a different faction that you don't get experience or credit as a player?

For reference I have the latest version (Version 3.0.2—10/7/10) of the rules and I'm not seeing it. Is there something I'm missing?

Official Rule

Obviously I failed my perception check on that one.