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lisamarlene wrote:

My son woke me up at 4:49 this morning because he was singing loudly in his sleep. Multiple verses.

Now I get to go make dinner for the kids and the babysitters before I go to work, because tonight we're going to see one of my three favorite old fogey horn rock bands as a belated anniversary date.

John Belushi is dead, Blood Sweat and Tears aren't touring, so it's Chicago, with the original horn section. Because who doesn't need a trombone and a flugelhorn in their classic rock?

Also, I believe, still the original keyboardist (Lamm). Although I don't think Walt Parazadier is touring anymore. 3rd drummer, 3rd bass player (4th if you also count the producer that played bass during the Chicago 17-19 years, since Cetera became a self-obsessed prima donna before going solo), and 6th guitarist. Plus scads of additional percussionists.

The Exchange

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Cover Turtle wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:


People give Salvatore a lot of hardship, but, from my understanding, he basically invented FR-style drow. While they existed prior to his writing, they were rather unfleshed out - it was his presentation of the Lolth-dominated spider-revering leather-clad dark elves from the Drizzt books that began that now broadly-accepted trend...

...And while it's very valid to say, "I don't like his stuff." (as I do with Lucas' prequel trilogy), it's worth recognizing what it brought to the table - everything else. (Though this case is a definite, "maybe." ;D)

*scratches the ground with a turtle in shame for his horrible proofreading of his post.*

*Though he nods sagely at TL. Salvatore has indeed done much for the presentation and "fleshing out" of the Drow, though in particular the FR variety. Even today his influence shines through in most products that include "Dark Elves"*

Just a Mort wrote:

Yeah I know I’ll get stuff thrown at me, but I did NOT like Servants of the Shard.

I don’t like reading about evil adventuring parties, period. I did try playing way of the wicked with an evil character, and I’ve told you about it before, but it left me with a sick taste in my mouth. I did it for science, so that I could see what it looked like on the other side.

I read as a form of escapism. I like fantasy stories where the good guys triumph in the end, just so that I can escape mundane reality where you get to see all kinds of crap happen to good people, and morally dubious people get away with all kinds of stuff.

So I have no interest in reading about evil adventuring parties and generally in downer endings. The Ghost King...well I can appreciate Cadderly’s sacrifice and his eternal vigil – I would have done the same in his place. But I’ve sort of given up on the series also because it got a little too dark for my taste.

The attitude carries through into PBPs. I dictate NO evil alignments, in part due to my personal sensibilities, and also for pragmatism, as

...

In ROW I really felt sorry for the bad guys. It's a whole sob story behind most of the villains, and they were doing what they had to do to survive. I could understand their motivations, and that events had molded them into the villains the party faced. Strange Aeons, not so much since they're a bunch of jerks doing things for the lulz.


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And that musical lesson brought to you while naked.

The Exchange

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Limeylongears wrote:
Mort, just be careful not to eat Morning Glory seeds, as they're supposed to be hallucinogenic...

Really? We need to try them, then. For SCIENCE!


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What kind of hallucinations we talking.

Bath salts or synthetic weed hold up a convenience store for reasons type of hallucinations.

Or shrooms and the let's ride the glass elevator at Monona Terrace and play in the road type of hallucinations.

Surreptitiously licks frog.


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Woran wrote:

This thread is growing on me.

Just like the weeds.

Don't worry. Soon it will be fungus...


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Does it matter??
Edit: ninja'd but...
Does it matter??


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So, tomorrow night is "graduation" so of course last night Impus Minor collapsed in the kitchen with a 100.8° F fever and a sore throat so bad he couldn't speak.

I dragged him back to bed and gave him some ibuprofen, but boy is that kid trying to avoid graduation like the plague. (Or with the plague, as the case may be.)

It's already pretty iffy:

  • They moved it to 5:00 pm, just to make sure parents would have trouble getting there.
  • I have a DMV appointment at 3:20 pm, guaranteeing I won't actually see anyone until 4:50 pm, meaning I'll be late.
  • NobodysWife asked to leave early that day, so they put her in a 4:00 - 4:30 pm meeting.
  • So we're sending Impus Major alone to the start of the graduation to take pictures.

    What could possibly go wrong with a 17-year-old with a high-powered camera at a school event?

    Scarab Sages

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    captain yesterday wrote:

    Weeds, you say.

    I always pictured myself as more of a dandelion.

    I thought you were a lizard.


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    Dirk Gently; Holistic Detective wrote:

    Does it matter??

    Edit: ninja'd but...
    Does it matter??

    Uh yeah, it definitely matters.

    No one wants to go on a hallucinogenic rampage.


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    Just a Mort wrote:
    In ROW I really felt sorry for the bad guys. It's a whole sob story behind most of the villains, and they were doing what they had to do to survive. I could understand their motivations, and that events had molded them into the villains the party faced...

    Villain sob stories?!

    Sure! We all have one!

    Take this poster child of Evil, for example...


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    Still waiting for our semi truck.


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    Just a Mort wrote:
    But... But... Vincas are so pretty...and the Madagascar periwinkle is used to treat cancer.

    Useless trivia: The main bay-side road on Sanibel Island is Periwinkle Way. They used to plant periwinkles all over the island until they figured out how invasive they were. A small sidestreet roughly midway down Periwinkle Way is named Vinca Way.

    Edit: I'd heard the morning glory seeds are hallucinogenic thing too, so I'd never even considered eating them. Hibiscus blooms are nice in a pitcher of sangria, and squash blossums are tasty.

    gran rey de los mono wrote:
    Eating corn is the easiest way to see how fast your digestive system works.

    Ah, a more modern and personal equivalent to the Dutchman's log (Purely serendipitous punnage)


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    NobodysHome's Tirade of the Day: Amoral co-workers

    So, it happened to NobodysWife again:

  • Executive Management: It's time to recognize your co-workers! Nominate the employee who you feel contributes the most! The employee who gets the most votes will get free tickets to xxx!
  • PM/Director/Manager: Oh! I really want to see that show! Everyone vote for me!
  • Sheepish Employees: OK.
  • EM: Wow! The PM won again, by a landslide! What an outstanding employee! Here are the tickets, plus a raise because you're obviously doing such a great job!

  • I swear, I had to drop off the Global Megacorporation's parents' list because of the number of e-mail solicitations of that nature I received. "My child is in an engineering contest and first prize is $1500. Please follow this link and vote for him/her!"

    Not even, "Go to this link, evaluate the projects, and choose your favorite."
    Just, "Vote for mine mine MINE!"

    I swear, I'm old and bitter enough that if they ever pull that crap on me ("Vote for the best employee" followed up by a "Vote for me" e-mail) I'm just filing a complaint with HR.

    But of course I work for a Global Megacorporation. How employees feel about their co-workers is irrelevant.

    But still...


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    {observes NB's rant} 1d4 ⇒ 3 of us goblin babies are now standing on NobodysHome's lawn.


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    1d4 Goblin Babies wrote:
    {observes NB's rant} 1d4 of us goblin babies are now standing on NobodysHome's lawn.

    (Shakes cane)

    Get outta my onions!


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    NobodysWife also made an interesting observation about the underlying negativity of the English language:

  • If you go outside and say, "Oh, man! It's raining! I hate the rain," you are complaining, griping, or grousing, and I suspect I'm missing a half-dozen other synonyms.
  • If you go outside and say, "Oh, boy! It's raining! I love the rain," what are you doing? I can't think of a single word to describe expressing elation over an occurrence or event.

  • Pretty sad.


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    Appreciating, enjoying, lauding, praising...

    Though I'd make the argument that that could be a view of positivity. The focus on the negative as a deviation from the norm de facto paints the positive as the expected norm.

    On the other hand, that undermines my argument by making English sound really needy.


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    Enraptured, you may blissfully exclaim the praises of, joyous, euphoria (one of my personal faves, just 'cause its fun to say)
    It may say more about our culture's obsessive tendency toward the negative, than our languages tendencies. Which is why I love satire done well, because it can criticize while remaining positive. (a la One Punch Man)


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    Sir RicHunt Attenwampi wrote:
    Edit: I'd heard the morning glory seeds are hallucinogenic thing too, so I'd never even considered eating them. Hibiscus blooms are nice in a pitcher of sangria, and squash blossums are tasty.

    The article says you have to eat hundreds of these seeds to get the effect, which sounds a bit like poppy seeds to me, or just slightly stronger?


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    Getting a truck of dirt now, hopefully our semi truck arrives today.


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    So keep in mind that we're looking for a word whose definition is, "Verbally expressing appreciation/enjoyment of an event or situation".

    This eliminates enjoying and euphoria right off the bat, as they're passive. Appreciating DOES have a secondary meaning of verbally expressing oneself, but its primary definition is silent. "I am appreciating the sunset," usually does not connote a verbal component.
    Praising and lauding aren't the same to me; they're both talking about how great someone is, not expressing your enjoyment of someone. For example, I've never heard someone say, "He was praising the sunny weather," and that would sound very strange. "He was complaining about the lousy weather," is extremely commonplace.

    So the only one I see in the list so far that I think is a good antonym of "complaining" is the secondary definition of "appreciating".

    I'm not trying to pit nicks; I'm just looking at the number of English words that mean, "Verbally expressing unhappiness or disapproval with a person or situation," and marveling at how hard it is to come up with words that mean, "Verbally expressing happiness or approval with a person or situation."


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    Getting a truck of dirt now, hopefully our semi truck arrives today.

    I would argue that Getting a truck of dirt comes nowhere close to my specifications.


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    I could do with some dirt. I want to make raised beds.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    So keep in mind that we're looking for a word whose definition is, "Verbally expressing appreciation/enjoyment of an event or situation"...

    *Tilts head, browses web for a bit*

    Would panegyric count?

    Extol?

    Gush?

    Acclaim?

    Wax lyrical?

    Rave?

    You didn't specify that it should be common every day speech right?
    ^^'


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    Rejoice?

    Shadow Lodge

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    The Peyote Tea Gamer wrote:
    Limeylongears wrote:
    Mort, just be careful not to eat Morning Glory seeds, as they're supposed to be hallucinogenic...
    Interesting.

    Whoa.


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    captain yesterday wrote:

    Weeds, you say.

    I always pictured myself as more of a dandelion.

    we know what your next avatar needs to be


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    lisamarlene wrote:
    My son woke me up at 4:49 this morning because he was singing loudly in his sleep. Multiple verses.

    This is obviously your child.


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    Just a Mort wrote:
    Cover Turtle wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:


    People give Salvatore a lot of hardship, but, from my understanding, he basically invented FR-style drow. While they existed prior to his writing, they were rather unfleshed out - it was his presentation of the Lolth-dominated spider-revering leather-clad dark elves from the Drizzt books that began that now broadly-accepted trend...

    ...And while it's very valid to say, "I don't like his stuff." (as I do with Lucas' prequel trilogy), it's worth recognizing what it brought to the table - everything else. (Though this case is a definite, "maybe." ;D)

    *scratches the ground with a turtle in shame for his horrible proofreading of his post.*

    *Though he nods sagely at TL. Salvatore has indeed done much for the presentation and "fleshing out" of the Drow, though in particular the FR variety. Even today his influence shines through in most products that include "Dark Elves"*

    Just a Mort wrote:

    Yeah I know I’ll get stuff thrown at me, but I did NOT like Servants of the Shard.

    I don’t like reading about evil adventuring parties, period. I did try playing way of the wicked with an evil character, and I’ve told you about it before, but it left me with a sick taste in my mouth. I did it for science, so that I could see what it looked like on the other side.

    I read as a form of escapism. I like fantasy stories where the good guys triumph in the end, just so that I can escape mundane reality where you get to see all kinds of crap happen to good people, and morally dubious people get away with all kinds of stuff.

    So I have no interest in reading about evil adventuring parties and generally in downer endings. The Ghost King...well I can appreciate Cadderly’s sacrifice and his eternal vigil – I would have done the same in his place. But I’ve sort of given up on the series also because it got a little too dark for my taste.

    The attitude carries through into PBPs. I dictate NO evil alignments, in part due to my personal

    ...

    In ROW I really felt sorry for the bad guys. It's a whole sob story behind most of the villains, and they were doing what they had to do to survive. I could understand their motivations, and that events had molded them into the villains the party faced. Strange Aeons, not so much since they're a bunch of jerks doing things for the lulz.

    indeed. Villainy is usually an act of desperation and frustration.


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    Cover Turtle wrote:
    NobodysHome wrote:

    So keep in mind that we're looking for a word whose definition is, "Verbally expressing appreciation/enjoyment of an event or situation"...

    *Tilts head, browses web for a bit*

    Would panegyric count?

    Extol?

    Gush?

    Acclaim?

    Wax lyrical?

    Rave?

    You didn't specify that it should be common every day speech right?
    ^^'

    I think part of his point was that even if the words exist we don't use them often enough? so they would have to be uncommonly used, but I use gush all the time.


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    Also geeking out...
    WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT WHY THE BEST GAME EVER IS SO GOOD!!


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    I may have a problem.


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    I get a lot of weird looks when I say a job looks like fun.


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    I get a lot of weird looks when I say a job looks like fun.

    you get weird looks because you wont stop licking your eye.


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    Freehold DM wrote:
    captain yesterday wrote:
    I get a lot of weird looks when I say a job looks like fun.
    you get weird looks because you wont stop licking your eye.

    Ok this made me sputter mid drink. Well played.


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    Actually, I think gush is a really close one.

    Trouble is, people don't tend to use the gerund (gushing) 'cause it can sound... er... unfortunate.

    But you're right: "He was gushing about the weather this morning," is indeed exactly the word I was looking for.


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    Freehold DM wrote:
    captain yesterday wrote:
    I get a lot of weird looks when I say a job looks like fun.
    you get weird looks because you wont stop licking your eye.

    Yeah, stop licking your eyes, you weirdo...

    *eats sunset firefly mid-battle*


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Actually, I think gush is a really close one.

    Trouble is, people don't tend to use the gerund (gushing) 'cause it can sound... er... unfortunate.

    But you're right: "He was gushing about the weather this morning," is indeed exactly the word I was looking for.

    i have a special affection for the phrase, myself.


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    Two Tirades in One Day. This one's more political:

    Having spent my lifetime in Northern California, the threat of drought is eternal, and water conservation should be on everybody's mind. Instead we get little gems such as:
  • Farmers already getting 50% of ALL WATER PRODUCED IN THE STATE, and complaining about those d**ned environmentalists preventing them from taking more.
    You know, I may just be imagining things, but I think *some* people actually appreciate having flora that exists outside of farms. Or rivers to swim in. Or so forth.

    Incenses me every time I drive by one of those, "Another Congress-mandated dust bowl," signs. No; it's not a "Congress-mandated dust bowl." It's, "Another major farming conglomeration incapable of comprehending the concept of finite resources."

  • California trying to impose fines on households that use more than 50 gallons per person per day, and the whining about how, "California is trying to make it illegal to shower and do your laundry in the same day!"
    No, dummy. California is trying to deal with a resource shortage that you don't want to acknowledge.
    Our family of 4 is not particularly water-conscious (bothersome kids), yet somehow we survive with daily showers, laundry for all four of us, a dishwasher, and general cleaning, for all of 160 gallons per day. If you're living alone and you're showering and doing laundry every single day of your life in a grossly-inefficient machine, you have deeper issues than having to pay more for water.
  • What set me off this morning: We haven't had rain in over a month, yet my sump pump is now running every single day. The surface of the ground is dry, meaning that someone is watering SO much that the water is seeping down to the water table (or whatever it's called) and then running down to my lot, where it's hitting the sump pump and getting pumped out.
    My feeling about pools and gardening is that yes, you're welcome to do it, but expect to pay a premium for taking carefully-treated, limited-supply water and, in essence, dumping it on the ground.
    I'd personally like to see an exponential scale instead of a linear one. 50 gallons per person per day = dirt cheap. 100 = double cost. 200 = quadruple cost. 400 = octuple cost. And so forth.
    There are households in southern California that use 3000 gallons per person per day. Can we PLEASE start fining them appropriately?


  • Political rant over.


    The Game Hamster wrote:
    Vidmaster7 wrote:
    To sum up todays conversation Captain really enjoys his lizard profile pick (you eat those flys) and t-lion actually knows nimrod is more then just a bugs bunny insult. Oh and mort had stuff thrown at her.

    Yep.

    Though, I knew the Nimrod stuff to, I just didn't feel it was important...
    Unless you want me spewing everything I randomly know...

    That's what I do!

    (We all have great friends.)


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    NobodysHome's Tirade of the Day: Amoral co-workers

    So, it happened to NobodysWife again:

  • Executive Management: It's time to recognize your co-workers! Nominate the employee who you feel contributes the most! The employee who gets the most votes will get free tickets to xxx!
  • PM/Director/Manager: Oh! I really want to see that show! Everyone vote for me!
  • Sheepish Employees: OK.
  • EM: Wow! The PM won again, by a landslide! What an outstanding employee! Here are the tickets, plus a raise because you're obviously doing such a great job!

  • I swear, I had to drop off the Global Megacorporation's parents' list because of the number of e-mail solicitations of that nature I received. "My child is in an engineering contest and first prize is $1500. Please follow this link and vote for him/her!"

    Not even, "Go to this link, evaluate the projects, and choose your favorite."
    Just, "Vote for mine mine MINE!"

    I swear, I'm old and bitter enough that if they ever pull that crap on me ("Vote for the best employee" followed up by a "Vote for me" e-mail) I'm just filing a complaint with HR.

    But of course I work for a Global Megacorporation. How employees feel about their co-workers is irrelevant.

    But still...

    Uh, why PM/Director Managers/Supervisors aren't excluded from the voting in the first place?!


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    gran rey de los mono wrote:
    Imagine explaining a fountain to someone from the third world: "Yes, here is our water-showing-off device. We mostly ignore it, but occasionally let the children throw our excess money into it just for funsies."

    This is... actually really legitimate.


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    gran rey de los mono wrote:
    If supervillains were smart, they would move to cities that don't have superheroes.

    Except, of course, for the fact that all their stuff is in the city held in the iron grip of the hero...


    Woran wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    Soos, Handyman of Mystery wrote:
    "Wait, am I a side character! Dudes, you ever think about stuff like that"

    Are you watching GF again? Saw two episodes on tv the other day - so good!

    Unfortunately, it was just kind of "skip around the timeline day" or something, so it was part 1 of the S1 finale (the one about dreaming and Grunkle Stan), and then straight to "Northwest Mystery Noir" for some reason.

    Gravity Falls is the BEST!

    It really, really is. It's funny, the animation style was off-putting at first, but I loved the whole series so much, that now I like it.


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    NobodysHome wrote:
    ** spoiler omitted **...

    I keep hearing about this drought thing, and keep think about why no-one even seems to be trying to figure out sea-water purification. If someone could figure out how to do it cheaply and efficiently, well, the ocean ain't going anywhere any time soon...


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    Tacticslion wrote:
    Woran wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    Soos, Handyman of Mystery wrote:
    "Wait, am I a side character! Dudes, you ever think about stuff like that"

    Are you watching GF again? Saw two episodes on tv the other day - so good!

    Unfortunately, it was just kind of "skip around the timeline day" or something, so it was part 1 of the S1 finale (the one about dreaming and Grunkle Stan), and then straight to "Northwest Mystery Noir" for some reason.

    Gravity Falls is the BEST!
    It really, really is. It's funny, the animation style was off-putting at first, but I loved the whole series so much, that now I like it.

    I still like Avatar: The Last Airbender better, as it IS my #1 Tv show of all time, but Gravity Falls is a VERY close third place. With One Punch Man a close second...


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    Those are some pretty f%$$ing big steps.


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    I'm pretty sure humans weren't meant to lift 600 pound chunks of stone.

    Gonna need some forks.


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    The Game Hamster wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    Woran wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    Soos, Handyman of Mystery wrote:
    "Wait, am I a side character! Dudes, you ever think about stuff like that"

    Are you watching GF again? Saw two episodes on tv the other day - so good!

    Unfortunately, it was just kind of "skip around the timeline day" or something, so it was part 1 of the S1 finale (the one about dreaming and Grunkle Stan), and then straight to "Northwest Mystery Noir" for some reason.

    Gravity Falls is the BEST!
    It really, really is. It's funny, the animation style was off-putting at first, but I loved the whole series so much, that now I like it.
    I still like Avatar: The Last Airbender better, as it IS my #1 Tv show of all time, but Gravity Falls is a VERY close third place. With One Punch Man a close second...

    I was actually going to mention TLA and OPM is a worthy contender, but the latter is actually further down the line for me, and I decided not to list "best shows of all time" because then I'd be stuck listing things forever (off the top of my head, though, adding B:TAS and Gargoyles is necessary, for example).

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