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Is your mount combat trained?

Horses, ponies, and riding dogs can serve readily as combat steeds. Mounts that do not possess combat training (see the Handle Animal skill) are frightened by combat. If you don’t dismount, you must make a DC 20 Ride check each round as a move action to control such a mount. If you succeed, you can perform a standard action after the move action.

So if it wasn't combat trained your move action would be burnt besides you having to roll a DC20 ride check.

Urm yeah now is the phantom steed considered as combat trained or not.

RAW your phantom steed is not combat trained since there's nothing in the spell
that indicates that it is combat trained.

However you may also mount or dismount as a free action with a DC 20 ride check.

So assuming you made your DC 20 ride check to control a mount as a move action, you could make another DC 20 ride check to dismount (or stand on your mount) as a free action, then make the leap.

*Gets dressed*


Orthos wrote:


This is the exact reason I prefer the Grey Jedi. The Sith code goes too far in the other direction but the Jedi code is too cold and disconnected for me.

or even better, the Jensaarai (or equivalent tradition that does subscribe to a hard Light-Dark divide).

*Yawn*

Getting tired.
Might turn in for the night soon.


Just a Mort wrote:
Is your mount combat trained?

We've always ruled that Phantom Steeds are combat-trained simply because of the description of not being combat trained:

PRD wrote:
Mounts that do not possess combat training (see the Handle Animal skill) are frightened by combat.

Since the mount is only quasi-real, it wouldn't be frightened.

Obviously, that's a GM call, but since we've already made it, *if* the mount is combat-trained, my reading is:
- Ride DC 5: Guide mount with knees as a free action
- Mount's full action: Move twice
- PC's move action 1: "Dismount" by standing on the mount
- PC's move action 2: Acrobatics High Jump

So how does that change your answer?


Oh, wow. I'm drawing a blank on my Star Wars trivia recall . . . .

The dudes that Luke and Ben visited in the Fate of the Jedi series . . . . Not the Baran Do on Kel Dor, but the . . . . the . . . Aing-Tii!!! There it is!!

Force teleporting anti-slaver warships? Flow-walking? Sign me right up!!

But only after I get my Force lightning . . . . That's a must-have.


I'd probably make standing on the horse a dismount AND acrobatics check, followed by a leap.
My rule of thumb is: if people in real life can do it in six seconds or less, you can try.


For my part, NH, nothing about your phantom steed turn strikes me as an excess of action economy. That sequence would stand at my table.


NobodysHome wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
Is your mount combat trained?

We've always ruled that Phantom Steeds are combat-trained simply because of the description of not being combat trained:

PRD wrote:
Mounts that do not possess combat training (see the Handle Animal skill) are frightened by combat.
Since the mount is only quasi-real, it wouldn't be frightened.

Combat-training is more than merely not being frightened by combat - it's the training to react properly to being directed in combat, and being able to attack on command (combat-training involves being learned "attack" command).

Phantom steed does not explicitly states if it is combat-trained or not mount, but contains clause that "it does not fight" which might be interpreted as "non-combat trained" as it isn't able to attack making "attack" command meaningless to it.

Quote:

Obviously, that's a GM call, but since we've already made it, *if* the mount is combat-trained, my reading is:

- Ride DC 5: Guide mount with knees as a free action
- Mount's full action: Move twice
- PC's move action 1: "Dismount" by standing on the mount
- PC's move action 2: Acrobatics High Jump

Seems to be right if GM decides phantom steed is combat-trained.

If it is deemed to not combat trained, you can make a move action and DC 20 Ride check to direct it to move, then make a DC 20 Ride check to dismount as a free action instead of a move but if you fail the second check your dismounting is a move action instead, finishing your major actions.

Personally I'd increase Ride check DC by at least 5 for standing on the horse as being much harder trick than merely fast dismounting, though...


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Freehold DM wrote:
...but what about the greatest star wars movie ever made?

I WILL WATCH IT AND RE-WATCH IT FOR DONNIE YEN!


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One of my final duties at work, in addition to writing our new operations manual, has been to write a script for the admissions tours I've been giving. Apparently no one else on campus knows how to give one and the gal who's supposed to be replacing me probably isn't going to be trusted with it. so today I finally completed a four-page condensed version of my usual hour long talk. I managed to get it down to only 2625 words.

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Legacy of the Force:

In Betrayal – when Jacen was faced with those Force visions..shouldn’t he have consulted Luke about it?
Han and Leia in bloodlines – why were they having anything to do with the resistance
Bloodlines: Ailyn died through a failed interrogation by Jacen Solo – and Han and Leia disowned Jacen for that. Considering that Ailyn was on a bounty hunt to kill them…what the heck were they(Han and Leia) thinking off?
Tempest: Luke sends Lobi to spy on Jacen and Ben. Uh yeah, you send someone to spy on Jedi knights on a mission. Great amount of trust down there. If you’re a secret agent(which Jacen and Ben were at that time), and you catch someone spying on you, your first instinct would be to kill them. Score one for Luke.
I’d say that the lack of communication between the Skywalker family in large part lead to Jacen being what he became. If the world, including your family is against you, what have you got to lose by embracing the dark side?

My apologies for being that brief when asked to preach – it’s been a while since I read those novels, and I read fragments of the series as it got darker. It took some digging to get a semi coherent argument out of the whole thing.

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NobodysHome wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
Is your mount combat trained?

We've always ruled that Phantom Steeds are combat-trained simply because of the description of not being combat trained:

PRD wrote:
Mounts that do not possess combat training (see the Handle Animal skill) are frightened by combat.

Since the mount is only quasi-real, it wouldn't be frightened.

Obviously, that's a GM call, but since we've already made it, *if* the mount is combat-trained, my reading is:
- Ride DC 5: Guide mount with knees as a free action
- Mount's full action: Move twice
- PC's move action 1: "Dismount" by standing on the mount
- PC's move action 2: Acrobatics High Jump

So how does that change your answer?

I don't mind allowing standing on the mount as a move action, though I might not allow you to classify it as a dismount action(since it means with a DC 20 ride check its a free action).

Sequence would stand on my table assuming you convinced me that a Phantom Steed was combat trained, since I would probably be on the line that it was not, following Drejk's reasoning.

Drejk wrote:

Phantom steed does not explicitly states if it is combat-trained or not mount, but contains clause that "it does not fight" which might be interpreted as "non-combat trained" as it isn't able to attack making "attack" command meaningless to it.

Again it's a 3rd level spell so you might be able to convince me it's combat trained. Though I might point you at the wartrain mount spell.


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lisamarlene wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
...but what about the greatest star wars movie ever made?
I WILL WATCH IT AND RE-WATCH IT FOR DONNIE YEN!

in less than 3 seconds he became my favorite character.

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I know that I generally go by RAW in games and not what people actually can accomplish in RL, since I am not going to spend time watching youtube videos on what people can accomplish in RL. Besides, depending on which videos you pull out, results may vary. Yes, there are jokers who pulled a car with their ears.

I prefer certainty in rulings and all that, being a cat of law and order.

Also...

*gobbles up the mint and chocolate chip icecream Kjeldorn provided*

How'd you know I love mint and chocolate chip icecream?


Just a Mort wrote:

I know that I generally go by RAW in games and not what people actually can accomplish in RL, since I am not going to spend time watching youtube videos on what people can accomplish in RL. Besides, depending on which videos you pull out, results may vary. Yes, there are jokers who pulled a car with their ears.

I prefer certainty in rulings and all that, being a cat of law and order.

Also...

*gobbles up the mint and chocolate chip icecream Kjeldorn provided*

How'd you know I love mint and chocolate chip icecream?

a cat of good taste!


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Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
...but what about the greatest star wars movie ever made?
I WILL WATCH IT AND RE-WATCH IT FOR DONNIE YEN!
in less than 3 seconds he became my favorite character.

Yep. When they made Ip Man a Jedi, I forgave them for a lot.

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This is so, so, so bad, but I need to confess that improbable island, hearthstone, watching Grim Fandango lets play on you tube, slay the spire and FAWTL spamming have been eating my time so I haven’t been able to have any to start Ironfang invasion prep. Heck, I haven’t even bought the AP because I haven’t gotten bored enough yet :P

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5h out of 7h into Grim Fandango YouTube let's play.

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Did you know this about Donnie? That's just awesome!

*squees like an excited fanboy fancat*


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The Dwarven Fortress of Plankscholars is lost.

After a vicious attack by a roving Wereskink the previous autumn, it has been no more than a reprieve of a month or two between each ensuing wave of unfortunate dwarves taking on the lycanthropic reptile's curse and rampaging through the fortress, claiming the lives of their kinsmen and neighbors and spreading the disease among the survivors. The once-swelling population of Plankscholars, nearly numbering sixty souls, is now dwindled to less than ten, two of which are known Wereskinks just waiting until the curse claims them once more and drives them to murder and mayhem.

There hasn't even been time between each rampage to complete the burying and memorializing of the dead from the last. Coffins lay incomplete or empty, bodies dumped in refuse pits to await their resting places' completion, gravestones never finished being carved with epitaphs lay askew in the ruins of shattered masons' workspaces.

The Fortress has been abandoned in the height of summer, left to rot amongst the blooming flora and growing miasma that are all that remain within. We pray that those of us fleeing back to the welcoming safety of dwarven civilization do not also carry the curse of the Wereskink in our blood... or that if we do, we are put down swiftly and with the mercy of dying before the plague can be spread further.

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WELP THAT SUCKED. Here's hoping next time I don't get infected by some random werething and watch my dwarves just shift and die left and right. I'll post the full story of Plankscholars in the Video Games forum sometime this weekend.

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I'm sorry about the Fortresses of Plankscholars. Werent you able to appeal to other dwarf clans for aid? Dwarves be a close knit lot ye know.


Alas, no dwarven traders nor representatives of the mountain lords arrived between the first arrival of the Wereskink and the abandonment of the fortress. We had a few arrivals of migrants to join our settlement, but sadly they just ended up being more victims of either the slaughter or the curse.

Better luck next time.


NH - I'd allow it from an action economy standpoint. For one, I give not one whit whether the steed qualifies as combat trained. I think that part is irrelevant since it is a conjuration (creation) spell that responds only to you. IE, it ain't a real horse, and if the writer(s) couldn't be bothered to specify otherwise, then I can't be bothered into thinking it makes a difference for this spell.

My only quibble would be potentially an acrobatics check rather than ride to stand in the saddle. But I do mean a non-game-breaking "it could be debated either way later" kind of quibble.


Everything hurts. My body is acclimating to the bike.

However I encountered a super rare prostitute on the way home. That was good for a gawk and a laugh.


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lisamarlene wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
...but what about the greatest star wars movie ever made?
I WILL WATCH IT AND RE-WATCH IT FOR DONNIE YEN!
in less than 3 seconds he became my favorite character.
Yep. When they made Ip Man a Jedi, I forgave them for a lot.

Donnie Yen is a certified badass. IP Man is a fantastic movie.

My martial arts instructor took some stick fighting lessons with Donnie Yen.


Freehold DM wrote:

Everything hurts. My body is acclimating to the bike.

However I encountered a super rare prostitute on the way home. That was good for a gawk and a laugh.

And this is one of my personal complaints about bikes. The seats. I was never able to find a seat or gel cover that didn't make my prostate burn when I was regularly riding as an adult. Not saying they don't exist, just that I could never find one.

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Hmm there seems to be a large prevalence of martial art practitioners in the US. I wonder why.


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Just a Mort wrote:
Hmm there seems to be a large prevalence of martial art practitioners in the US. I wonder why.

No single reason. Everyone has their own individual reasons.

For me it was a combination of things. Like most geeknerds I was bullied quite a bit as a kid. It was made worse by the fact that, due to my rural upbringing, high school kids would ride the same buses as junior high and elementary kids, and my mother taught at the high school. There were a couple times where she would give out a detention and I ended up at the emergency room. I ended up in a lot of fights throughout my school years. When I got to college I found someone willing to start teaching me. I jumped on this since I just assumed that the beatings would continue.

However, there's a lot more to it than that for me. Martial arts are studies into physiology and kinesiology, and I have a habit of studying science in all its forms.

But early on I was just wanting to ward off the beatings.

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Someone tried to smack me in elementary school. I blocked and broke the plastic ruler in question. I've always been a bit on the clumsy side so I really don't have any inclination to do violence against anyone (in case I hurt them).

I got my growth spurt early so I was rather large in elementary school.


Just a Mort wrote:

I never watched the originals in the movies, only their replays on screen. Heck I didn't watch much movies when I was younger.

My aunt watched the phantom menace with me and did not care for the Jedi code.

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force

She said that it made Jedi resemble a block of wood, in emotional range.

Again after I look at what Anakin did with letting his emotions(and maybe hormones) do, I think they're better off. In the Legacy of the Force, the root cause is just a Skywalker family spat, blown to epic proportions.

It always kind of reminded me of Buddhism's philosophy. I get where there coming from. Emotion can blind us hurt us make us weak but it can also strengthen us so really the grey jedi maybe makes more sense from a humanistic stand point. As someone who constantly compartmentalises and tries to reign in his emotions I do actually like the Jedi's best.


I like Ip man but I feel like people wanted more from that movie then it was prepared to give. We do need more choreography like that one however. I think that's a bit reason 8 didn't grab me.

Plus all the hype and fan theories and what have you made me sick of that movie way before I ever saw it.


Wow already just started shift 15 minutes ago and 2 people have came in who had made an online reservation on the wrong night. Were sold out so there just out of luck. :(


Just a Mort wrote:
I blame gran for weird nights. Everything weird happening is all Gran's fault!

You are welcome.

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There's a religion for jediism

This is particularly true with Buddhists, where Lucas himself has admitted that Star Wars was heavily influenced by eastern thought.

I believe the Jedi code was inspired by Buddhist teachings.


Just a Mort wrote:

There's a religion for jediism

This is particularly true with Buddhists, where Lucas himself has admitted that Star Wars was heavily influenced by eastern thought.

I believe the Jedi code was inspired by Buddhist teachings.

Yeah that is what I think too. Jedi are like Buddhist musketeers of the future. (OK I guess technically its distant past.)


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My brief feelings on Star Wars:

I like it, generally. Didn't care for the prequel movies, but enjoyed the Clone Wars series (for the most part, there were some episodes I didn't like). Have seen seasons 1-3 of Rebels, and enjoyed it. I like movies 4-8, and really like Rogue One. Haven't seen Solo yet. Never read any of the novels, comics, or other material, so I can't comment on that. I don't understand all the hate for the newer movies, but that's because I got exactly what I wanted from them. It's the same thing I want from every movie I watch. I just want to be entertained. I don't look for deep meaning. I don't need perfect acting, or brilliant scripting, or amazing flawless special effects. Just entertain me. And they generally do that. So yeah, when I see people ranting about how Star Wars has been ruined because of some reason or another, I just shrug and say "Meh. I enjoyed it." and move on. It's not worth getting upset about.


Vanykrye wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

Everything hurts. My body is acclimating to the bike.

However I encountered a super rare prostitute on the way home. That was good for a gawk and a laugh.

And this is one of my personal complaints about bikes. The seats. I was never able to find a seat or gel cover that didn't make my prostate burn when I was regularly riding as an adult. Not saying they don't exist, just that I could never find one.

its interesting you should say that.

I have a new, funky bike seat that looks like a salarians head. It rests upon my sit bones almost perfectly, so my testicles dont explode. I'll text you a pic.


Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

Everything hurts. My body is acclimating to the bike.

However I encountered a super rare prostitute on the way home. That was good for a gawk and a laugh.

And this is one of my personal complaints about bikes. The seats. I was never able to find a seat or gel cover that didn't make my prostate burn when I was regularly riding as an adult. Not saying they don't exist, just that I could never find one.

its interesting you should say that.

I have a new, funky bike seat that looks like a salarians head. It rests upon my sit bones almost perfectly, so my testicles dont explode. I'll text you a pic.

Pray that the picture is of the bike seat and not of his exploding testicles.


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gran rey de los mono wrote:

My brief feelings on Star Wars:

I like it, generally. Didn't care for the prequel movies, but enjoyed the Clone Wars series (for the most part, there were some episodes I didn't like). Have seen seasons 1-3 of Rebels, and enjoyed it. I like movies 4-8, and really like Rogue One. Haven't seen Solo yet. Never read any of the novels, comics, or other material, so I can't comment on that. I don't understand all the hate for the newer movies, but that's because I got exactly what I wanted from them. It's the same thing I want from every movie I watch. I just want to be entertained. I don't look for deep meaning. I don't need perfect acting, or brilliant scripting, or amazing flawless special effects. Just entertain me. And they generally do that. So yeah, when I see people ranting about how Star Wars has been ruined because of some reason or another, I just shrug and say "Meh. I enjoyed it." and move on. It's not worth getting upset about.

Pretty much how entertained I am at the time is how I rate most movies too. apparently I'm an easy audience so I started to think hmm would I want to watch this again to my criteria of "is a movie good" Then I can see like ok I can see why some people might not like this. So my rating system is pretty well

Awful
Ok but would not watch again
Good movie could watch again
I could watch this movie over and over.
which strangely puts 5th element really high on my list cause I really could just watch that movie over and over.
I can fast forward to scenes in a lot of movies and watch those again. like every fight scene in the prequel star wars movies.


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gran rey de los mono wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

Everything hurts. My body is acclimating to the bike.

However I encountered a super rare prostitute on the way home. That was good for a gawk and a laugh.

And this is one of my personal complaints about bikes. The seats. I was never able to find a seat or gel cover that didn't make my prostate burn when I was regularly riding as an adult. Not saying they don't exist, just that I could never find one.

its interesting you should say that.

I have a new, funky bike seat that looks like a salarians head. It rests upon my sit bones almost perfectly, so my testicles dont explode. I'll text you a pic.
Pray that the picture is of the bike seat and not of his exploding testicles.

If I could only ever ask a higher power for one thing....


A video on the science of stormtrooper armor


Why Ewoks are terrifying.


That guy has interesting videos but I find him so annoying.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

There's a religion for jediism

This is particularly true with Buddhists, where Lucas himself has admitted that Star Wars was heavily influenced by eastern thought.

I believe the Jedi code was inspired by Buddhist teachings.

Yeah that is what I think too. Jedi are like Buddhist musketeers of the future. (OK I guess technically its distant past.)

Actually I think the Jedi are samurai practicing a mixture of buddhism and bushido, subscribing to a Taoist magical system. Chi, and the force you know. Chi in Chinese is literally translated as energy, which can be seen as a force.

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Freehold I only have a foot and calf massage machine, not a butt massage one.


Just a Mort wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

There's a religion for jediism

This is particularly true with Buddhists, where Lucas himself has admitted that Star Wars was heavily influenced by eastern thought.

I believe the Jedi code was inspired by Buddhist teachings.

Yeah that is what I think too. Jedi are like Buddhist musketeers of the future. (OK I guess technically its distant past.)
Actually I think the Jedi are samurai practicing a mixture of buddhism and bushido, subscribing to a Taoist magical system. Chi, and the force you know. Chi in Chinese is literally translated as energy, which can be seen as a force.

Well I say musketeer because sword fighting and there primary job when everything is working correctly is to defend the republic whihc is what musketeers primarily did except the republic was really there king at that time. Of course samurai pretty well did the same thing really so they work too.

Isn't Chi or Ki pretty well breath? like energy derived from breath I guess?


Vidmaster7 wrote:
That guy has interesting videos but I find him so annoying.

Which one? Because Science or OPCD?


Every time it rains someone is pissed because they have to cancel their plans. Also, someone is ecstatic because they have to cancel their plans.


Somewhere out there is the world's strongest sheep, and we don't know which one it is.


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Real life is like an RPG, but instead of Magic Points MP stands for Motivation Points, and they run out so incredibly fast.


Perhaps we snore so that we still sound big and scary while asleep.

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