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Drejk wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
...and give me a lightsaber. I still want one.
Which one?

And some folks running around with them on the market square of my city.


Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Basically Clone Wars proves the prequels had a lot of potential that was just misused, rather than being inherently flawed at the foundation.

many people feel that way. I dont know if I could count myself among them.

Phantom menace is why I NEVER do opening nights for films EVER.

Thoughts on Rebels?

Haven't seen. Heard good things, and I believe they're by the same people who made Clone Wars, so...good sign, logically speaking.


Yeah, I am naked underneath that grey jedi robe...


Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Basically Clone Wars proves the prequels had a lot of potential that was just misused, rather than being inherently flawed at the foundation.
many people feel that way. I dont know if I could count myself among them.

Surprises anyone, this does not.

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Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Basically Clone Wars proves the prequels had a lot of potential that was just misused, rather than being inherently flawed at the foundation.

many people feel that way. I dont know if I could count myself among them.

Phantom menace is why I NEVER do opening nights for films EVER.

Thoughts on Rebels?

Haven't seen. Heard good things, and I believe they're by the same people who made Clone Wars, so...good sign, logically speaking.

Likewise, haven't seen it.

Shadow Lodge

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I will say this.

No matter what you think of the prequels, they could not have gotten a better Obi Wan than Ewan McGregor. The man was perfect for the role and easily one of the best parts of the movies.


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Orthos wrote:

I will say this.

No matter what you think of the prequels, they could not have gotten a better Obi Wan than Ewan McGregor. The man was perfect for the role and easily one of the best parts of the movies.

Hello there!


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Scintillae wrote:
Orthos wrote:

I will say this.

No matter what you think of the prequels, they could not have gotten a better Obi Wan than Ewan McGregor. The man was perfect for the role and easily one of the best parts of the movies.

Hello there!

GENERAL KENOBI


Orthos wrote:
Agreed, and makes Grievous actually threatening., which is probably one of my favorite expansions. He was woefully underused in the movies, and did not live up to his reputation in his short time on screen. Clone Wars fixed that and soundly.

Yup.

Clone Wars - 2003 -> General Grievous is a menacing badass, and an actual threat to anyone who's foolish enough to actually try and take him on in combat.

*Smiles and thumbs up*

The Clone Wars - 2008 -> General Grievous is a blithering, cowardly and inept commander, who tends to piss away everything from tactical advantages to political ambitions.

*Frowns and thumbs down*

The above, and generally Anakin's portrayal*(s) through out all the 'prequal material**' is some my biggest gripes about the, well, prequal material.

* I get it. They wanted to give Dearth Vader a backstory. I just don't like the one they settled on (or if one was even needed in the first place***).

** Out of the material I gave "consumed" (A lot of Rpg material, the movies, a few games and a smattering of comics, "guides" and novels).

*** Another question entirely.


Freehold DM wrote:


Thoughts on Rebels?

Actually haven't finished Season 4, so my "totality" opinion isn't in yet.

Though I'll say I really like some aspects of it...others not so much. Its a okay show, don't get me wrong, I just don't feel every bit jived with me.
Some of the characters I liked, some I didn't.
Some storyline directions I liked, some I didn't.
Did you have any specifics in mind?


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Aaarrrgggghh ever since I started riding the bike regularly I have been getting REALLY hungry for lunch when the time comes...

FREEHOLD HUNGERS


Kjeldorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:


Thoughts on Rebels?

Actually haven't finished Season 4, so my "totality" opinion isn't in yet.

Though I'll say I really like some aspects of it...others not so much. Its a okay show, don't get me wrong, I just don't feel every bit jived with me.
Some of the characters I liked, some I didn't.
Some storyline directions I liked, some I didn't.
Did you have any specifics in mind?

nah, just wondering.

Also, I am quite upset that I didnt realize hera was at a con I was at. Could have gotten her autograph!


So.


HUNGRY!


*Tries to push a baked potato (with garlic butter, various spices and barbeque sauce) and half a steak through his screen to Freehold.*


Dammit kjeldorn! Push harder!


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So, as one of the few FaWtLers old enough to have seen the original Star Wars when it first came out, a few points:

For those who haven't seen some of the movies:

  • I saw the original in theaters 13 times, so I could definitely be considered "a fan"
  • I really didn't care for The Empire Strikes Back and I still don't, but my father loved it and considered it the best movie of all of them
  • Both of those movies shared a lot of things: A dirty, gritty universe with space vessels that looked like they might fall apart at any time. A rebellion existing on spit and spare parts. And a self-seriousness to them such that, even though there was humor in them, they never looked at the camera, winked, and said, "It's OK! I'm only a movie!"
  • The start of the downfall was Return of the Jedi and its d**ned ewoks. SO much scorn placed on men in full armor being defeated by midgets with sticks and rocks. If the armor doesn't stop lasers, and doesn't stop sticks and stones, WHY THE HECK DOES ANYONE WEAR IT? Then came the jedi ghosts: If dead jedi masters can reappear to train pupils, why weren't they all over the place, helping the Rebellion in 100 different ways? Why was there an empire at all? All of a sudden the plot was full of holes, there were endless "cute" scenes that made you sure you were watching a movie, and the whole thing was just a significant letdown from the first two. It still had some great scenes (I still love watching Han's rescue), but the ewoks ruined it for me.
  • Then came The Phantom Menace, a.k.a. Home Alone in Space. With an infinite budget, THIS is the dreck you put together? I fundamentally disagree that Darth Maul was anything other than an attempt to sell toys. I couldn't see any motivation other than, "I look cool and many kids will like my action figure!" Jar-Jar binks was an embarrassment. As was the kid who played Anakin. As was the pod race. As was the "Home Alone in Space" moment. As was this entire movie.
    Except yeah, Ewen McGregor was a bad-a** Obi-Wan.
  • Send in the Clones was utterly forgettable. Two terrible actors pretending they were in love, an unbelievable plot that required no one to EVER talk to each other, and just a whole world of, "This makes no sense, and it doesn't matter because I don't care about any of it."
  • Anakin Goes Bad was dreadful. Trying to make a character sympathetic after said character ruthlessly slaughters dozens of children looking to him for guidance and protection? Not so much. And NobodysWife and I couldn't stop laughing during the final climactic fight scene because it was so bad. Similar to Lisamarlene and The Last Jedi, we had to turn it off and do something else a couple of times just to get through the movie.
  • The Force Awakens really wasn't all that bad. It was just thoroughly derivative of Return of the Jedi, so it was mainly the lack of originality I objected to. And all of a sudden technology leapt forward 100 years... in a movie set in the past?!?!?
  • The Last Jedi has SO many stupid scenes I lost count. Watch the "Movie Sins" on it. It's delightful, and gets a huge number of them. From Luke having to pole vault around his island to Leia's ability to fly in space to... oh, gods. There's too much to list. It was a stupid, stupid movie.


  • So from an old man's perspective, Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back were the best of the bunch, but they're still cheesy 1970s sci-fi movies. I still like Dark Star or the old Battlestar Galacticas, and they're pretty appallingly bad.

    Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens are the same movie, and a cut below the first two.

    Send in the Clones (I will never use its proper name) did not out-and-out offend me, so it gets to hide in the middle of this mess.

    The Last Jedi and Anakin's Bad Day were both seas of stupid. Too many plot holes, cutesy points, bad acting, bad writing, or just too much to bear. I will cheerfully never see either of these movies again.

    The Phantom Menace has its own special place in Hell, alongside the third Alien movie and the second Matrix movie in being so bad as to destroy or nearly destroy a beloved franchise.


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    ...but what about the greatest star wars movie ever made?


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    Freehold DM wrote:
    ...but what about the greatest star wars movie ever made?

    It didn't grab me. I didn't consider it a "bad" movie; it was watchable and had a few great scenes (blind swordfighting, anyone?). I'd watch it again if someone wanted to see it. So it's somewhere between the original two (Star Wars and Empire) and the next two (Return and Force) for me.


    Oddly enough, my family loves Ewoks, and I don't get the Ewok hate.
    and from what I understand the storm trooper armor serves two purposes: it dissipates shots from ion blasters, which were the only "legal" guns for civilians in the empire, and dehumanizes them, which is a favored military tactic of dictators.


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    I love ewoks. But I was the age range they were aimed at.

    The over the top hate aimed at ewoks puts a bad taste in my mouth. It casts star wars fans in a bad light in general. I think I already posted about the guy booted from a con because he made a little girl cry because she dared dressed as an ewok.


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    I was in the theater for Eposode 5; I can actually remember being there for Episode 6.

    You're not that old, NH -- and I'm still more youthful than Freehold. :)


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    NobodysHome wrote:
    Freehold DM wrote:
    ...but what about the greatest star wars movie ever made?
    It didn't grab me. I didn't consider it a "bad" movie; it was watchable and had a few great scenes (blind swordfighting, anyone?). I'd watch it again if someone wanted to see it. So it's somewhere between the original two (Star Wars and Empire) and the next two (Return and Force) for me.

    freehold can live with this.


    Syrus Terrigan wrote:

    I was in the theater for Eposode 5; I can actually remember being there for Episode 6.

    You're not that old, NH -- I'm still more youthful than Freehold. :)

    impossible, I do not remember episode 5 and episode 6 was my official second movie in a theatre.

    I cried the whole time. I was a scaredy cat.


    I was about 4 months old when 5 released. My parents took me anyway -- I was a quiet kid.

    I was 3.5 when 6 came out -- scared witless of Jabba, loved the Sail Barge battle, liked the lightsaber duel even more.


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    Freehold DM wrote:
    ...but what about the greatest star wars movie ever made?

    Liked it.

    Mostly because it tried (not entirely successfully) to be something else then a Star Wars film, especially the parts that reminded me of old 70's WWII movies.
    Still there where plenty of *sigh* scenes, chin scratches and weird script choices.

    Freehold DM wrote:

    I love ewoks. But I was the age range they were aimed at...

    Not in the love em camp.

    More in the "I can live with em, just as long as nobody tries to convince me to love them" camp.


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    So, customer support. I just sent this to Shiro, but I think it's worth sharing:

    Saturday: On Amazon, I ordered the wrong iPhone. At home, my Samsung drive went bad. I filed a cancellation order on the former, and a service request on the latter.

    Responses:
    iPhone company: We're out 'til Monday! We'll contact you then!
    Samsung (within 6 hours): OK, please scan your receipt for us

    Sunday morning: Samsung: Here's your RMA with prepaid label. Ship it on in.

    Monday: iPhone company: We shipped your phone to you!

    Tuesday:
    iPhone company: Oh, you're having trouble connecting to your network? Send us your EMEI number!

    Samsung: We've received your drive and we're testing it now to verify that it is indeed bad

    Wednesday: Samsung: We verified your drive was bad and sent you a replacement drive with double the capacity. It should arrive in the next day or two. Thanks for using Samsung!


    Wohoo, there will be another expansion to Grim Dawn!


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    As for the Ewoks:

    Totally not a fan. However, the moment during the battle on Endor where one turns back for his comrade after a near-miss (for him) from an AT-ST blast . . . . Lots of dust in the air, every time. Weird, huh?

    And a definite +1 to all the Ewan MacGregor callouts as the perfect young Kenobi. Best aspect of the prequels, no doubt about it.


    The ewok hate is mainly born of their utter artificiality. Here's a primitive, hunter-gatherer species living on a forest moon. But we have to make them fuzzy and cute so they'll sell toys. Let's make them really small, too. Unfortunately, the actors and actresses we hired can't move very well in the suits, so they're going to look unbelievably awkward, clumsy, and slow-moving in their own native environment. Then let's have them be more than a match for the hopeless stormtroopers and their incredible technology.

    I'll be blunt: If it were wookies, or giant lizard people, or any race that looked physically imposing enough to tear off a stormtrooper's arms and legs armor and all, I'd have been perfectly fine with them.

    But they were so blatantly added to the movie to be nothing but cute and sell toys that it repelled me. And still does.


    Hey! Those were fantastic ewok toys!


    *Munches on mint chocolate-chip ice cream*

    NobodysHome wrote:

    The ewok hate is mainly born of their utter artificiality. Here's a primitive, hunter-gatherer species living on a forest moon. But we have to make them fuzzy and cute so they'll sell toys. Let's make them really small, too. Unfortunately, the actors and actresses we hired can't move very well in the suits, so they're going to look unbelievably awkward, clumsy, and slow-moving in their own native environment. Then let's have them be more than a match for the hopeless stormtroopers and their incredible technology.

    I'll be blunt: If it were wookies, or giant lizard people, or any race that looked physically imposing enough to tear off a stormtrooper's arms and legs armor and all, I'd have been perfectly fine with them…

    +½ to that.

    Though I simply can't get myself to care too much about the durned teddy-bears.


    They may be a toy gimmick, but hey, at least it had something to do with moving the plot forward.

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    Kjeldorn wrote:


    *Tries to push a baked potato (with garlic butter, various spices and barbeque sauce) and half a steak through his screen to Freehold.*

    *whines piteously at Kjeldorn while looking on at the steak and potato*

    The Exchange

    I heard the clone wars was not bad, gave Anakin a padawan and all that. Maybe the problem about Anakin's fall was that it was done too quickly and needed to be stretched out a little longer?

    Ideally you're supposed to sympathize with the character, I think. I just felt he was too greedy trying to get all the stuff(wife), power and Jedi status all to himself. Want to be with Padme? Go ahead, leave the Jedi order. He could probably become a senator and get political power as well. You don't need to be a Jedi to change the world. Politcal power actually does it better.

    I did feel slightly sorry for Arthas in Warcraft 3,but really you shouldn't get carried away with vengeance. That way lies only pain and sorrow.

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    I never watched the originals in the movies, only their replays on screen. Heck I didn't watch much movies when I was younger.

    My aunt watched the phantom menace with me and did not care for the Jedi code.

    There is no emotion, there is peace.
    There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
    There is no passion, there is serenity.
    There is no chaos, there is harmony.
    There is no death, there is the Force

    She said that it made Jedi resemble a block of wood, in emotional range.

    Again after I look at what Anakin did with letting his emotions(and maybe hormones) do, I think they're better off. In the Legacy of the Force, the root cause is just a Skywalker family spat, blown to epic proportions.

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    Freehold DM wrote:

    I love ewoks. But I was the age range they were aimed at.

    The over the top hate aimed at ewoks puts a bad taste in my mouth. It casts star wars fans in a bad light in general. I think I already posted about the guy booted from a con because he made a little girl cry because she dared dressed as an ewok.

    Meh I'd kick that guy out myself. People the right to cosplay as anything they want to and he's infringing on her freedom to cosplay whatever.

    If you don't like Ewoks, fine. But they're part of Star Wars Canon, so s*ck it. I hate people who take their hobbies so seriously that they think it gives them a right to look down and scorn others.


    I'm also old enough to have seen the original in the theater. But I was young enough at the time (2, almost 3 in May/June '77 when it came out) that it utterly captivated me. I still love Star Wars. I'm not blind, but it's one of the few movies/books/TV shows where I can generally look past the stuff that bugs me enough to not let the crappy parts ruin the whole rest of the movie for me.

    Regarding force ghosts: not everybody could do it, according to all the lore.


    Syrus Terrigan wrote:

    I was about 4 months old when 5 released. My parents took me anyway -- I was a quiet kid.

    I was 3.5 when 6 came out -- scared witless of Jabba, loved the Sail Barge battle, liked the lightsaber duel even more.

    damn you syrus, stop being younger than me!


    Though one thing that's constantly boggles my mind about Star Wars series/movies/comics/whatever is the sheer amount times that starships seem to crash into each other during engagements.
    They behave like freaking magnets at times.

    Just a Mort wrote:


    Kjeldorn wrote:


    *Tries to push a baked potato (with garlic butter, various spices and barbeque sauce) and half a steak through his screen to Freehold.*
    *whines piteously at Kjeldorn while looking on at the steak and potato*

    *Gives Mort a scratch between the ears*

    Sorry kit-kit, it in my stomach now, and even though you seem to be willing to eat at lot of strange stuff, I would think you would draw the line at regurgitated baked potatoes and steak.

    *Attempts to push some mint chocolate-chip ice cream through his screen to Mort kitty*

    Just a Mort wrote:

    ...

    Ideally you're supposed to sympathize with the character, I think...

    Condoning, appreciating or even disagreeing with a characters motivations, isn't in itself, necessary. While sympathizing with a characters would be better, but in the end, I think all that's required is that one understands a character or at least her/his motivation.

    Edit: Sorry talking in circles...it was probably what you meant anyways ^^'

    Just a Mort wrote:

    ...

    My aunt watched the phantom menace with me and did not care for the Jedi code.

    There is no emotion, there is peace.
    There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
    There is no passion, there is serenity.
    There is no chaos, there is harmony.
    There is no death, there is the Force

    She said that it made Jedi resemble a block of wood, in emotional range...

    I concur! Which is why I'm more of a Sith-guy anyways.


    Vanykrye wrote:

    I'm also old enough to have seen the original in the theater. But I was young enough at the time (2, almost 3 in May/June '77 when it came out) that it utterly captivated me. I still love Star Wars. I'm not blind, but it's one of the few movies/books/TV shows where I can generally look past the stuff that bugs me enough to not let the crappy parts ruin the whole rest of the movie for me.

    Regarding force ghosts: not everybody could do it, according to all the lore.

    I was not around for the first movie, although I was in the womb. Mom said i would NOT STOP MOVING/KICKING, I was ready to leap into the film.


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    Just a Mort wrote:

    I never watched the originals in the movies, only their replays on screen. Heck I didn't watch much movies when I was younger.

    My aunt watched the phantom menace with me and did not care for the Jedi code.

    There is no emotion, there is peace.
    There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
    There is no passion, there is serenity.
    There is no chaos, there is harmony.
    There is no death, there is the Force

    She said that it made Jedi resemble a block of wood, in emotional range.

    Again after I look at what Anakin did with letting his emotions(and maybe hormones) do, I think they're better off. In the Legacy of the Force, the root cause is just a Skywalker family spat, blown to epic proportions.

    preach!


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    I love Ewoks, they're almost as cool as Wookies.


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    Of course, I'm also a huge fan of Yoda light saber rampaging.


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    Of course, I'm also a huge fan of Yoda light saber rampaging.

    OK. I loved me some mini-reptile cuisinart.

    'Cause it was foreshadowed, and then hilarious.

    Shadow Lodge

    Just a Mort wrote:

    I never watched the originals in the movies, only their replays on screen. Heck I didn't watch much movies when I was younger.

    My aunt watched the phantom menace with me and did not care for the Jedi code.

    There is no emotion, there is peace.
    There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
    There is no passion, there is serenity.
    There is no chaos, there is harmony.
    There is no death, there is the Force

    She said that it made Jedi resemble a block of wood, in emotional range.

    Again after I look at what Anakin did with letting his emotions(and maybe hormones) do, I think they're better off. In the Legacy of the Force, the root cause is just a Skywalker family spat, blown to epic proportions.

    This is the exact reason I prefer the Grey Jedi. The Sith code goes too far in the other direction but the Jedi code is too cold and disconnected for me.


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    Dude jumps fifteen feet from a stand still and decapitates six droids before he lands.


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    Another awesome fight is Splinter versus the foot clan in the first Micheal Bay TMNT movie.

    Best use of a tail in a fight ever.


    captain yesterday wrote:

    Another awesome fight is Splinter versus the foot clan in the first Micheal Bay TMNT movie.

    Best use of a tail in a fight ever.

    PREACH


    So, rules question because the rules forums are full of grar and we all know Mort'll answer it whether she wants to or not:

    At the start of my turn, I am mounted on my horse.
    - As a free action, I make my Ride roll to control the horse
    - As its action, the horse takes a full move (two move actions) to move up alongside a ship
    - As my first move action, I stand up on the horse's back (the GM and I agreed it was basically a Dismount action)
    - As my second move action, I make an Acrobatics roll to jump up onto the ship's deck

    My GM ruled that this was illegal, as I was getting way too many actions. I don't see anything wrong with it.

    Opinions?

    EDIT: If it makes a difference, this was a CL 10th Phantom Steed, and I was chasing the ship down a river.

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