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Scarab Sages

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Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:

CMON BRAIN STOP DOING A JELLO IMPERSONATION

I NEED YOU TO THINK
NOT TO WOBBLE
I really want to hear you say that in your native language for some reason.

kom op hersenen, hou op met een drilpudding na te doen

ik heb je nodig om na te denken
niet om te wiebelen
google translate makes it sound super sexy.
I wonder if there is an easy way to record it amd share it with you
well, the easiest way involves a plane and a smartphone...^_~

I wish I had the financial means to casually hop over :(

[Edit]: not naked on a plane! Too cold!

Scarab Sages

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John Napier 698 wrote:

Hello, everyone.

Well, I found out why the garage has no water. There's road work going on in the street beside the garage. So they turned off the water without telling anyone about the work. Again.

But, I have a plan for the restroom. It snowed here overnight and into the morning. So I took a couple of buckets and the shovel up onto the roof and filled them with snow.

They're starting to melt, right now. When they're done, I'll use that water for the toilet tank. Drinking water will be a bit of a problem, but I'll take care of it over the weekend.

major suckage


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Tacticslion wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:

Hello, everyone.

Well, I found out why the garage has no water. There's road work going on in the street beside the garage. So they turned off the water without telling anyone about the work. Again.

But, I have a plan for the restroom. It snowed here overnight and into the morning. So I took a couple of buckets and the shovel up onto the roof and filled them with snow.

They're starting to melt, right now. When they're done, I'll use that water for the toilet tank. Drinking water will be a bit of a problem, but I'll take care of it over the weekend.

Okay, dude, this doesn't seem like reasonable working conditions.

I can't say that your garage is necessarily at fault (because someone's doing some street work), but it doesn't seem like you could be expected to reasonably attend work in these conditions, and, while you need a paycheck, it seems like this is something that needs to be addressed by your employer (probably by them reaching out to the city, to go, "What the crap; no really, and literally, what the actual crap; also, more figuratively: what the crap?") and figuring out something in which you have humane and reasonable working conditions. Because what the crap.

deep breath

...oh. Hi, Fritzy.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
I also highly recommend Soul Eater, especially if we ever get the 'Brotherhood' treatment to follow the manga ending.

I personally strongly prefer shows that have endings, so after the final episode of the existing Soul Eater, I didn't want to see any more.

As an example, the first season of The Ancient Magus' Bride is one of my pet pleasures. The second season is one of those miraculous continuations that is so bad that it detracts from the original (much like the Matrix or Aliens sequels). The Seven Deadly Sins is another series that had a concrete ending, then tried to continue and suuuuuuuuuucked.

So... I really want to see another season of Re:Zero because he wasn't done. But I'd really like to see it wrap up, finish, and be done.

I know that's not how production companies make money, but if you give me a complete, concrete story in an epic arc that ends, I'll buy your whole DVD set and manga set and everything, just to encourage you to do it more often.
(The Madoka Magika manga is some of the worst I've ever come across, but I'm glad I bought it to encourage finite series.)


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Woran wrote:
naked on a plane!

Wasn't that a Samuel L. Jackson movie?


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NobodysHome wrote:
Woran wrote:
naked on a plane!
Wasn't that a Samuel L. Jackson movie?

It depends on if "snake" is a euphemism.

Grand Lodge

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NobodysHome wrote:
So... I really want to see another season of Re:Zero because he wasn't done. But I'd really like to see it wrap up, finish, and be done.

I understand that the DC release is to allow people to get up to speed for the new season.

Also, Madoka is an amazing, complete story. And I still love the Rebellion movie and spin off series, but I'm less worried about final endings.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
So... I really want to see another season of Re:Zero because he wasn't done. But I'd really like to see it wrap up, finish, and be done.

I understand that the DC release is to allow people to get up to speed for the new season.

Also, Madoka is an amazing, complete story. And I still love the Rebellion movie and spin off series, but I'm less worried about final endings.

The Madoka anime is amazing.

Just... er... don't even try to read the manga.

Except the intro. It's really cute. Basically, "Hi! We were some of the interns who worked on the anime, and they asked us to do the manga, so it's our first-ever manga! Hope you like it!"

I'm sorry. You're adorable. But no. No I don't.

Grand Lodge

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Yeah, fair play.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Rosita the Riveter wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
...hell, it's ranging from the teens to the 30s here, and I refuse to set my thermostat above 65.

I turn it off if she's not around. The house will be whatever temperature it will be. I don't care if the living room is 45 degrees, we live in coastal California, not the Great Lakes, the temperature doesn't get dangerous here, and Americans overcontrol our building climates, anyway (seriously, I've traveled pretty extensively, and nobody else heats and air conditions indoors to the obsessive extent that we Americans do).

Granted, I also strutted around in the Canadian winter at 6AM in a kilt without stockings or anything else to warm my legs, because I had to walk from the hostel to the train station and an 11 yard kilt was not going to fit in my luggage on the airplane. So what do I know?

There's "not dangerous", and then there's, "Warm enough to function."

I find anything below 58 to be too cold to effectively sit at a computer working all day, so that's where I set my thermostat.

I've done a bunch of those DNA tests that tell you where your ancestors are from, and the final verdict is that literally all of them are from places that are chilly, wet, and grey all the time at best, and straight up freezing at worst. Plus I used to live in the Rocky Mountains and rural Montana. And I grew up in unheated houses.

I was not made for 70+ indoor temperatures.

This is why I keep threatening to move to Seattle after I get my Masters.


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Prepping both Strange Aeons and Shattered Star, the difference in authorship is palpable:

Strange Aeons: On arriving in the city, the PCs must succeed at a DC 25 Diplomacy roll or a DC 30 Perception roll to actually learn anything. If they fail both of those rolls, the entire AP grinds to a standstill. It is quite literally, "Roll or the AP fails." It's not quite as bad as the infamous door in Carrion Crown (the PCs are blocked by a door that is impassable except with a DC 28 Strength check, and if they can't make it the AP is stopped dead), but it's close.

Shattered Star: On arriving in the city, the PCs are approached by a local who wants a favor of them. If they ignore him, they can do a Knowledge: Local roll. If they fail at that, 2 days later this happens to pull them back on track.
In short, the author provides an entire set of circumstances to force the AP to proceed, no matter how obtuse the PCs are.

Hey, AP authors! If the *only* way for the plot to proceed is for your PCs to make a DC 25+ roll and you don't provide any way around that block, you're going to end up with a LOT of frustrated players and GMs!


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It's making the players do the work vs. the players failing forward.

Two different philosophies. It's clear which one you prefer, but neither is right or wrong.


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Freehold DM wrote:

It's making the players do the work vs. the players failing forward.

Two different philosophies. It's clear which one you prefer, but neither is right or wrong.

I'll beg to differ. Suppose my PCs have a +20 Diplomacy and a +20 Perception, but roll a 4 and a 9.

At that point, what are they supposed to do? The AP provides no guidance, so it suddenly becomes the players making up random things and hoping that they might possibly work, and the GM deciding whether or not they do.

For the information gathering, at least they could use some form of Divination or bribery or whatnot. It becomes a homebrew with me trying to figure out how to get them on track while they try to figure out what, exactly they're looking for.

For the stuck door, there was no rational reason for us to try to get through it. So we tried to leave. And the GM had to tell us out of context that the rest of the plot was through the door, so we HAD to figure out a way through it.

Not particularly satisfying.

"Making the players do the work" implies that they know what their goal is.

In both Strange Aeons and Carrion Crown, they aren't given a goal, just, "Go to this location and look around."
If you don't know what you're looking for in the first place, and failing the roll means you don't learn anything, I don't see a way for the players to "work for it".

EDIT: I can elaborate easily enough without spoilering. In Strange Aeons, it's basically, "It is impossible for the PCs to locate this section's BBEG without this NPC's help, because we've written this entire section around the tasks they have to do to earn this NPC's trust. They cannot locate this NPC without making a successful roll."
So, if they fail the roll, they don't know that the NPC exists. The AP assumes that they cannot find the BBEG without the NPC. I don't see a reasonable way for the players to work for the goal of finding the NPC who they don't know exists, and, "OK, make a second roll to find a second NPC who can point you to the first NPC," is just as much of a crutch as anything else. "Roll until you succeed" isn't success. So it's, "Rewrite the section so the NPC isn't necessary, giving them all the XP and loot doing something other than finding the NPC."
Which isn't why I buy APs.


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You fudge the roll.

Don't tell anybody.


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I buy Pathfinder APs for the discount on Starfinder stuff.

Also because I like Extinction Curse.

Grand Lodge

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Freehold DM wrote:

You fudge the roll.

Don't tell anybody.

Then why have it? Just tell them without the roll.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

You fudge the roll.

Don't tell anybody.

Then why have it? Just tell them without the roll.

you can make the same arguement for the fail forward approach. Why roll until they succeed? Just tell them no matter what they get.


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Freehold DM wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

You fudge the roll.

Don't tell anybody.

Then why have it? Just tell them without the roll.
you can make the same arguement for the fail forward approach. Why roll until they succeed? Just tell them no matter what they get.

As a player, that feels like a participation trophy. There's no need to try thinking outside the box for a solution if I learn early on the DM is just going to give it to me regardless.

An adventure that doesn't account for a party going off-kilter is a flawed product. Some flaws are more easily overlooked/remedied than others. And if the solution is just "yeet the rules and hope no one notices," you have a problem.


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Well, as I said, prepping the two is a night and day comparison.

Shattered Star has sidebars every few pages. "If the PCs ignore this section, then this is what happens with these NPCs, here are some of the clues the PCs can pick up later down the line, and here are some suggestions moving forward." Basically all I want: "If the PCs jump the tracks or fail their rolls, here's how to get them back on without it feeling like hand holding."

Strange Aeons is just, "OK, the PCs need to make this roll to proceed."
And that's it. No alternatives. No suggestions if they don't make it.

It's not so much "fail forward" vs. "players have to work" as it is, "Give players agency" vs. "you failed. Go home."


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Unrelated, what's a good circus trick for a cleric.


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My father became a cyborg today.


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Whenever Crookshanks makes a character, no matter the class, she always puts her highest roll in intelligence.

Tiny T-Rex puts his in Charisma.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Unrelated, what's a good circus trick for a cleric.

The saw trick...


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Thanks for the Anime Tips, I look forward to checking them out.

Eventually, in my COPIOUS spare time,... ;P


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About to go home. Have a good weekend, everyone. Going to pound on some Ogres and Giants on Sunday.


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Yay, the Marco Polo birds are back!


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I've been watching Oliver Stone's Untold History on Netflix.

Credit to my parents that I already know everything they've said so far (I'm on episode 4).


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Adds cushions, glow in the dark posters, and a lava lamp to the decor.

Might as well redecorate since I'm the only one here.

Plays Dark Side of the Moon, and puts on sunglasses.


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Scintillae wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:

Hello, everyone.

Well, I found out why the garage has no water. There's road work going on in the street beside the garage. So they turned off the water without telling anyone about the work. Again.

But, I have a plan for the restroom. It snowed here overnight and into the morning. So I took a couple of buckets and the shovel up onto the roof and filled them with snow.

They're starting to melt, right now. When they're done, I'll use that water for the toilet tank. Drinking water will be a bit of a problem, but I'll take care of it over the weekend.

Okay, dude, this doesn't seem like reasonable working conditions.

I can't say that your garage is necessarily at fault (because someone's doing some street work), but it doesn't seem like you could be expected to reasonably attend work in these conditions, and, while you need a paycheck, it seems like this is something that needs to be addressed by your employer (probably by them reaching out to the city, to go, "What the crap; no really, and literally, what the actual crap; also, more figuratively: what the crap?") and figuring out something in which you have humane and reasonable working conditions. Because what the crap.

deep breath

...oh. Hi, Fritzy.

Hello!

Scarab Sages

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So, we removed the old kitchen, and patched the holes. Now it all needs to set and dry and then we can start prepping for the new kitchen.


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How do I know Crookshanks really wants to go see Birds of Prey?

She is walking the dog, without having to be asked.


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captain yesterday wrote:

How do I know Crookshanks really wants to go see Birds of Prey?

She is walking the dog, without having to be asked.

Spoiler:
You would know she really wants to see it if she was walking the hyena...

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captain yesterday wrote:

How do I know Crookshanks really wants to go see Birds of Prey?

She is walking the dog, without having to be asked.

Also, there might or might not be adequate role models for her...


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I assume that you don't give a flying sh** about the language?

It's not like she is likely to not know the swear words used all over that movie anyway...


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Drejk wrote:

I assume that you don't give a flying sh** about the language?

It's not like she is likely to not know the swear words used all over that movie anyway...

Yes, we're realistic when it comes to language.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Unrelated, what's a good circus trick for a cleric.

Catholic-style indulgences, but the payment is you have to take a seltzer flower to the face.


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I'm really beginning to pity Impus Minor's GMs.

First we have Helden in the Strange Aeons game, who's just crazy. He worships wood, takes over kitchens to cook for people, and makes no sense. At least he's "harmless crazy".

Then we have Tussle in the Shattered Star game, who's adopted a clockwork servant and built a fricking TURRET onto its back, so he rides it around firing double-barreled turrets at people, and if anyone attacks it he goes berserk with his double-barreled pistol and makes a mess of things. And he makes it shoot its net at everything. Because it can.

So now in the homebrew one of the kids is running, he's a druid and he got himself an owl. Which he is now training to drop tanglefoot bags and nets on opponents.

Because nets.


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The song I'm listening to has someone 'lost in the blanket of her eyes'

Making a blanket out of eyes is some seriously effed up necromancer behaviour...


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NobodysHome wrote:

I'm really beginning to pity Impus Minor's GMs.

First we have Helden in the Strange Aeons game, who's just crazy. He worships wood, takes over kitchens to cook for people, and makes no sense. At least he's "harmless crazy".

Then we have Tussle in the Shattered Star game, who's adopted a clockwork servant and built a fricking TURRET onto its back, so he rides it around firing double-barreled turrets at people, and if anyone attacks it he goes berserk with his double-barreled pistol and makes a mess of things. And he makes it shoot its net at everything. Because it can.

So now in the homebrew one of the kids is running, he's a druid and he got himself an owl. Which he is now training to drop tanglefoot bags and nets on opponents.

Because nets.

Population of incorporeal creatures grows.


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We loved Birds of Prey, I highly recommend it.


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Freehold's goin' out tonight.


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Everything's gonna be alright.


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WITH CELESTIAL HEALER AND PATRICK CURTIN AT B0NCHOOOOOOOON

Shadow Lodge

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SHENANIGANS


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WOOOOOOOOOO


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TOZ wrote:
SHENANIGANS

That restaurant with all the s#~% on the walls that was an excuse to pistol whip Farva?


The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
TOZ wrote:
SHENANIGANS
That restaurant with all the s@*+ on the walls that was an excuse to pistol whip Farva?

... what?

EDIT: for clarity, I just have no idea what you mean - it's a story that I have zero context for.


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Tacticslion wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
TOZ wrote:
SHENANIGANS
That restaurant with all the s@*+ on the walls that was an excuse to pistol whip Farva?

... what?

EDIT: for clarity, I just have no idea what you mean - it's a story that I have zero context for.

It's a reference to the movie Super Troopers, specifically the following set of lines:

Quote:

O'Hagen: I just got off the phone with Tom McCardle From the budget committee. This thing with Farva screwed our pooch.

Thorny: What? They can't lump us in with that ****in' Martian.
O'Hagen: We're all in the same boat, fellas.
Mac: But our shenanigans are cheeky and fun.
Thorny: Yeah, his shenanigans are cruel and tragic.
Foster: Which wouldn't make them shenanigans, at all, really.
Mac: (Irish voice) Evil shenanigans!
O'Hagen: I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy that says 'shenanigans!'
Mac: Hey Farva, what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy s&** on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?
Farva: You mean Shenanigan's?
Mac, Foster and Thorny: Oh, no! (Laughing) (Mac hands O'Hagen his gun.)
Farva: You're talking about Shenanigan's, right?


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Wooohooo! Freehold is on facebook!


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Did you know that the Pentagon was supposed to be the Octagon, but the contractor cut a few corners.

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