
captain yesterday |

Captain Yesterday, Brut Squad wrote:Let's see...
120 pounds a block... 4 pallets of blocks.... 36 blocks on a pallet... F@@*!!
So I'm curious because I don't work with such things: How do you lift a 2-ton pallet. Can a forklift really handle that kind of a load?
(I mean yeah, a full-sized backhoe or something would have no trouble, but I think "pallet" and then I think "forklift" and for whatever reason I thought a forklift maxed out at around a ton just because of the physics.)
Oh, and here on Google I see that forklifts are typically rated to around 5000 pounds. Who knew?
It's those big wheeled ones they stick on the back of trucks.
I just put a bunch of them in my mini bobcat bucket and haul them across the yard that way, but I still gotta set the base block and then stack them after that so I'll lift pretty much every single one of them today.

Vanykrye |

NobodysHome wrote:Captain Yesterday, Brut Squad wrote:Let's see...
120 pounds a block... 4 pallets of blocks.... 36 blocks on a pallet... F@@*!!
So I'm curious because I don't work with such things: How do you lift a 2-ton pallet. Can a forklift really handle that kind of a load?
(I mean yeah, a full-sized backhoe or something would have no trouble, but I think "pallet" and then I think "forklift" and for whatever reason I thought a forklift maxed out at around a ton just because of the physics.)
Oh, and here on Google I see that forklifts are typically rated to around 5000 pounds. Who knew?
It's those big wheeled ones they stick on the back of trucks.
I just put a bunch of them in my mini bobcat bucket and haul them across the yard that way, but I still gotta set the base block and then stack them after that so I'll lift pretty much every single one of them today.
Yeah, that's worse than when I worked at an ice factory. 8 pounds per bag, 8 pallets of bags, 236 bags per pallet...I'd rather do that (far more trips but at far less weight even though it comes within a ton of each other) than what you're lifting today.

Vanykrye |

And my technician stationed in Virginia has put in his two week notice. Oh joy. So whenever we get someone hired I'll have to fly out to the DC area for a week to crash-course train the person, and then spend the next 3-6 months remotely looking over their shoulder.
And today is that punk's last day. (I kid, he's been a good tech and I'd probably even call him a friend.)
However, I went through a bunch of resumes, tossed 3/4 of them, and was then told that my picks weren't financially viable choices because they had actual knowledge and experience. They actually want to interview the guy that had 14 years of work history on his resume with none of that history having anything to do with IT.

NobodysHome |
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Vanykrye wrote:And my technician stationed in Virginia has put in his two week notice. Oh joy. So whenever we get someone hired I'll have to fly out to the DC area for a week to crash-course train the person, and then spend the next 3-6 months remotely looking over their shoulder.And today is that punk's last day. (I kid, he's been a good tech and I'd probably even call him a friend.)
However, I went through a bunch of resumes, tossed 3/4 of them, and was then told that my picks weren't financially viable choices because they had actual knowledge and experience. They actually want to interview the guy that had 14 years of work history on his resume with none of that history having anything to do with IT.
Yeah, beancounters always appall me. "We can hire this guy with 10 years' experience in the field and sterling reviews for $170k/year, or we can pay some kid in Bangalore fresh out of tech school there $40k/year. It's a no-brainer! Hire the kid!"
And you quickly learn that the experienced guy's productivity is easily 5x the kid's or more. You just can't beat experience in terms of ability to fit into a team, ability to follow guidelines and adapt, and ability to efficiently produce high-quality materials. (The time it takes co-workers to review and correct noobs' errors has to be taken into account, too.)
I make less than 50% more than our lowest-paid co-worker, and my productivity is, quite literally, about 6x his. So I know from whence I speak. Old grey-hairs in tech are worth A TON, and it's really sad to see how few companies realize that.

Freehold DM |

Speaking of airports and security, I'm picking up NobodysWife at the SFO international terminal tonight, so I'll be dealing with such things.
Of COURSE I'll be wearing my flying pig pants! What else would you wear?
...I wouldn't wear those...the implications might be...well, baseball bat to the knee inducing...

Freehold DM |

Vanykrye wrote:Vanykrye wrote:And my technician stationed in Virginia has put in his two week notice. Oh joy. So whenever we get someone hired I'll have to fly out to the DC area for a week to crash-course train the person, and then spend the next 3-6 months remotely looking over their shoulder.And today is that punk's last day. (I kid, he's been a good tech and I'd probably even call him a friend.)
However, I went through a bunch of resumes, tossed 3/4 of them, and was then told that my picks weren't financially viable choices because they had actual knowledge and experience. They actually want to interview the guy that had 14 years of work history on his resume with none of that history having anything to do with IT.
Yeah, beancounters always appall me. "We can hire this guy with 10 years' experience in the field and sterling reviews for $170k/year, or we can pay some kid in Bangalore fresh out of tech school there $40k/year. It's a no-brainer! Hire the kid!"
And you quickly learn that the experienced guy's productivity is easily 5x the kid's or more. You just can't beat experience in terms of ability to fit into a team, ability to follow guidelines and adapt, and ability to efficiently produce high-quality materials. (The time it takes co-workers to review and correct noobs' errors has to be taken into account, too.)
I make less than 50% more than our lowest-paid co-worker, and my productivity is, quite literally, about 6x his. So I know from whence I speak. Old grey-hairs in tech are worth A TON, and it's really sad to see how few companies realize that.
I dont know where the right answer is. I do think some people can price themselves out of a job and not every company can afford 170k staffing. I also think that several sides of a company should agree on whom they are hiring, not just thr beancounters...whatever department that is.

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NobodysHome wrote:I dont know where the right answer is. I do think some people can price themselves out of a job and not every company can afford 170k staffing. I also think that several sides of a company should agree on whom they are hiring, not just thr beancounters...whatever department that is.Vanykrye wrote:Vanykrye wrote:And my technician stationed in Virginia has put in his two week notice. Oh joy. So whenever we get someone hired I'll have to fly out to the DC area for a week to crash-course train the person, and then spend the next 3-6 months remotely looking over their shoulder.And today is that punk's last day. (I kid, he's been a good tech and I'd probably even call him a friend.)
However, I went through a bunch of resumes, tossed 3/4 of them, and was then told that my picks weren't financially viable choices because they had actual knowledge and experience. They actually want to interview the guy that had 14 years of work history on his resume with none of that history having anything to do with IT.
Yeah, beancounters always appall me. "We can hire this guy with 10 years' experience in the field and sterling reviews for $170k/year, or we can pay some kid in Bangalore fresh out of tech school there $40k/year. It's a no-brainer! Hire the kid!"
And you quickly learn that the experienced guy's productivity is easily 5x the kid's or more. You just can't beat experience in terms of ability to fit into a team, ability to follow guidelines and adapt, and ability to efficiently produce high-quality materials. (The time it takes co-workers to review and correct noobs' errors has to be taken into account, too.)
I make less than 50% more than our lowest-paid co-worker, and my productivity is, quite literally, about 6x his. So I know from whence I speak. Old grey-hairs in tech are worth A TON, and it's really sad to see how few companies realize that.
So, I'll say in 18 years on hiring committees, we've only had two people price themselves out; both of them because they considered some vaguely-related field to be "work experience". ("I installed touch point systems at restaurants for 12 years. That counts as 12 years in IT, right?")
With the advent of Monster.com, Salary.com, and the like, people come to us with a very good idea what the median salary for the position for their experience is. We very rarely get demands that are out of line for the position.In terms of, "We cannot afford that person," that's an absolute consideration, but in that case, DON'T HIRE THEM; don't cheap out and hope for a miracle.
We sell enterprise software in multimillion-dollar deals. But suppose a mom-and-pop shop just wants a program to help them track their customers? We sell a cloud-based solution to them for $120/month. And most of our competitors target exactly that market because they can undersell us and provide better service. So all mom-and-pop shop needs is a computer and a network connection; no IT guy involved.
Once you're a big enough company that you need an IT guy, you should be able to afford an IT guy.
The number of affordable cloud-based solutions for virtually any business is truly staggering, and the competition is fierce.
Amazon, Google, Oracle, SalesForce, WorkDay... heck, even Microsoft wants in on the game.
You can buy a nice software suite that does everything you need for under $1000/month. A lot cheaper than the cheapest IT guy, and a heck of a lot more reliable.
Once you've got a mobile, technical workforce that needs a real IT department, you need to be willing to shell out for real technical people who can support that workforce.

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To this day, my favorite "HR Stupidity" moment ever was back when we were getting over 200 applicants for every open position, and HR responded to this by setting technically-impossible requirements for the candidates:
HR Department: All candidates must have at least 20 years' Java programming experience.
Us: But Java's only been around for 12 years. That's an impossible requirement!
HR Department: That means you'll get only the best!
Us: No; that means we'll get only people who are willing to lie on their resumes!
HR didn't get it and left the requirement in. And guess what? Our candidates were terrible...

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NobodysHome wrote:Cap'n Yesterday's Summer Dreams wrote:What the f%!* man! It's 53 degrees outside!!
I'm not done with summer yet!!!
LOL. 53 degrees *IS* summer around here!
::sigh::
It got down to 76 after the rain yesterday evening.
I felt cold.
it is still almost 90 here despite the rain.
I don't know whether to give you the death stare or the cheesy "I'll come right by to warm you up" line.

Freehold DM |

To this day, my favorite "HR Stupidity" moment ever was back when we were getting over 200 applicants for every open position, and HR responded to this by setting technically-impossible requirements for the candidates:
HR Department: All candidates must have at least 20 years' Java programming experience.
Us: But Java's only been around for 12 years. That's an impossible requirement!
HR Department: That means you'll get only the best!
Us: No; that means we'll get only people who are willing to lie on their resumes!HR didn't get it and left the requirement in. And guess what? Our candidates were terrible...
very interesting.

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To this day, my favorite "HR Stupidity" moment ever was back when we were getting over 200 applicants for every open position, and HR responded to this by setting technically-impossible requirements for the candidates:
HR Department: All candidates must have at least 20 years' Java programming experience.
Us: But Java's only been around for 12 years. That's an impossible requirement!
HR Department: That means you'll get only the best!
Us: No; that means we'll get only people who are willing to lie on their resumes!HR didn't get it and left the requirement in. And guess what? Our candidates were terrible...
Dang it! I've only been drinking java for 14 years.
But, I can shave an angry bear with a skid loader, it's pretty much the same thing.

Drejk |

Let's see...
120 pounds a block... 4 pallets of blocks.... 36 blocks on a pallet... F@&+!!
36-45 boxes on a pallet, with a total of 20 pounds per box... Eight pallets... Two more pallets with smaller loads...
I was loading games today for USA today. So will I tomorrow and the next week, though now it will involve repacking individual games into cardboard boxes to be sent directly, instead of five-game boxes.

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Captain Yesterday, Brut Squad wrote:Let's see...
120 pounds a block... 4 pallets of blocks.... 36 blocks on a pallet... F@@*!!
So I'm curious because I don't work with such things: How do you lift a 2-ton pallet. Can a forklift really handle that kind of a load?
(I mean yeah, a full-sized backhoe or something would have no trouble, but I think "pallet" and then I think "forklift" and for whatever reason I thought a forklift maxed out at around a ton just because of the physics.)
Oh, and here on Google I see that forklifts are typically rated to around 5000 pounds. Who knew?
Smaller lighter ones might be rated for 1 ton or less, the heavy ones get a large counterweight for balance on their other end. Also they tend to be heavier than they look.
Last year, in my old work folks were sitting on the other end of a forklift as extra counterweight one time.

NobodysHome |

So...I've just had another talk with my direct superior. Guess I'm not going to be flying out to the DC 'burbs to train a new person with no discernible IT skills after all. Now they're just not even going to fill the position.
I see you've entered MY universe!
"Oh, it takes time and effort to find a good candidate? I guess you'll just have to work twice as hard, then..."

Vanykrye |
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Blerg, I am ill again.
The good news: I may have puzzled out why I've been getting so many lung infections this year. Maybe.
The bad news: My manager told me that HR and his boss are asking questions about my frequent time off this year.
*sigh*
If you haven't filed for FMLA for this, then you need to. Post haste.

Vanykrye |

Vanykrye wrote:So...I've just had another talk with my direct superior. Guess I'm not going to be flying out to the DC 'burbs to train a new person with no discernible IT skills after all. Now they're just not even going to fill the position.I see you've entered MY universe!
"Oh, it takes time and effort to find a good candidate? I guess you'll just have to work twice as hard, then..."
Yeah, about that...kind of hard to replace network equipment in Virginia from Illinois...or swap out PCs...
Cap...your chop saw, if you please.

Kjeldorn |
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Blerg, I am ill again.
The good news: I may have puzzled out why I've been getting so many lung infections this year. Maybe.
The bad news: My manager told me that HR and his boss are asking questions about my frequent time off this year.
*sigh*
*Pats TS on the back and offers burly man-hug*
Really hope you've gotten to the bottom of your lung infections, being constantly sick is a liability not only to your health, but as you've noted by your 'bad news' also to your employment.
Lets just hope that HR/Boss gets something else to focus their attentions on.
I might be moody and down lately (and running a slight fever, so I might just be developing some infection/sickness myself), but if you ever feel like talking I'll gladly oblige.

Kjeldorn |

Kjeldorn wrote:*Looks over cake, with tears welling up in his eyes*
Magnifique!!!
*Faceplants into the cake and inhales it through every facial orifice*
I don't think that was the way you were supposed to eat a cake...
Oh and I got to try a poppy seed cake - it was delicious!
*Mouth waters, gets dreamy expression on his face with dreaming about cakes*
*Picks up Mort and faceplants into her back, giving her a back scratch with his entire face*

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How to drive someone mad.
I've been humming and whistling the Smurfs theme song for a day and a half now.
Eventually someone's going to snap.
An aeon ago, when I still worked for my dad's stairbuilding company, my sis and I were out on a jobsite installing handrails (including balusters & newels) and stair treadcaps. On the first day we were there, the tile guy would just quack out acapella the whole song of The Doors "People Are Strange." He did it four or five times seemingly at random. The next day, he started again. When he started up again after lunch, my sis and I chimed in too. We didn't know the trim carpenter was downstairs, but then he joined in too. About 5 minutes after we'd all quit, the owner comes in, and starts to intently ask us questions related to the job... but he was acting really weird. We thought he was creeping on us both, but then he starts in on the tile guy. So we figured he was just eccentric (aka a weirdo with wealth) and didn't think anything of it.
We got a phone call from my dad about a half hour later, concerned something strange was going on. Turns out the owner arrived while we were all still quacking acapella and immediately was convinced we were all "high on the wacko weed", which prompting him to get really close (smelling for weed, I guess) and asking questions for detailed answers. Dad knew we weren't smoking/doing anything, and repeatedly reassured the guy we were just "naturally weird."
A week before Christmas that year -- months after we were done and paid for the job -- we anonymously mailed the owner a package of marshmallow Easter Peeps with a duck-themed card. Inside we wrote "Quack" all over repeatedly to fill it up. My sis and I still wonder how that was received.

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captain yesterday wrote:How to drive someone mad.
I've been humming and whistling the little blue dudes theme song for a day and a half now.
Eventually someone's going to snap.
An aeon ago, when I still worked for my dad's stairbuilding company, my sis and I were out on a jobsite installing handrails (including balusters & newels) and stair treadcaps. On the first day we were there, the tile guy would just quack out acapella the whole song of The Doors "People Are Strange." He did it four or five times seemingly at random. The next day, he started again. When he started up again after lunch, my sis and I chimed in too. We didn't know the trim carpenter was downstairs, but then he joined in too. About 5 minutes after we'd all quit, the owner comes in, and starts to intently ask us questions related to the job... but he was acting really weird. We thought he was creeping on us both, but then he starts in on the tile guy. So we figured he was just eccentric (aka a weirdo with wealth) and didn't think anything of it.
We got a phone call from my dad about a half hour later, concerned something strange was going on. Turns out the owner arrived while we were all still quacking acapella and immediately was convinced we were all "high on the wacko weed", which prompting him to get really close (smelling for weed, I guess) and asking questions for detailed answers. Dad knew we weren't smoking/doing anything, and repeatedly reassured the guy we were just "naturally weird."
A week before Christmas that year -- months after we were done and paid for the job -- we anonymously mailed the owner a package of marshmallow Easter Peeps with a duck-themed card. Inside we wrote "Quack" all over repeatedly to fill it up. My sis and I still wonder how that was received.
that's some quacky tobaccy.

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Someone gave Google Maps some of that quacky tobaccy.
"Hey, Google! How long will it take me to get from my house to SFO during rush hour on a Friday night?"
"Oh, give yourself an hour and twenty minutes. That should be plenty!"
Considering the last time I had to pick someone up during rush hour it was over two hours, and the traffic-free drive is 45 minutes, I think Google is smoking something.

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Blerg, I am ill again.
The good news: I may have puzzled out why I've been getting so many lung infections this year. Maybe.
The bad news: My manager told me that HR and his boss are asking questions about my frequent time off this year.
*sigh*
So what caused the lung infections, Tequilia?
And yeah I heard they're talking about the too long lunch hour...but if in that case I dunno how I'm going to fit in gym time...

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Just a Mort wrote:Kjeldorn wrote:*Looks over cake, with tears welling up in his eyes*
Magnifique!!!
*Faceplants into the cake and inhales it through every facial orifice*
I don't think that was the way you were supposed to eat a cake...
Oh and I got to try a poppy seed cake - it was delicious!
*Mouth waters, gets dreamy expression on his face with dreaming about cakes*
*Picks up Mort and faceplants into her back, giving her a back scratch with his entire face*
Do you have an oven large enough to bake? Else I could pass you the recipe and you can do it yourself.
Technically I'm quite touchy about who gets to lean on my shoulder(it's a BF thing only), but Ill give it a pass this once.
People who lean on my shoulder in the train get first told off, then a jab to the ribs if they persist.

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Do you have an oven large enough to bake? Else I could pass you the recipe and you can do it yourself.
Yup got an large oven.
Going to make sweet-buns (for tea time ^^) and maybe a sponge cake tomorrow…Though might be interested in that recipe later.
Technically I'm quite touchy about who gets to lean on my shoulder(it's a BF thing only), but Ill give it a pass this once.People who lean on my shoulder in the train get first told off, then a jab to the ribs if they persist.
Sorry Mort.
I might not have said it before, but I can get a bit handsy around other people. I'm not good at recognizing personal boundaries, and can be bad expressing emotions and feelings, so I tend to use physical contact as an emphasis (or as an expression in itself), which have resulted in some awkward, unintended or tense situations.
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2 cups of plain flour
3/4 cup of sugar
2 large oranges
200 g of butter
3 large eggs
200 ml of orange juice 150 ml of orange juice
1 tablespoon baking powder
1/4 tea spoon of bicarbonate of soda
1)Take the butter out of the fridge and let it warm up for half an hour or so.
1) Skin both oranges for the orange zest, then grate it finely.
2) Squeeze out the orange juice of both oranges. If it's more then 200 ml, drink up the extra. If it's less (shouldn't be less then 150 ml, or you really should have gotten bigger oranges, top up to 200 ml mark)
2) Grease the pan with butter/oil (I'm not sure of the measurements of my pan, I really should go home and check)
3) Heat the oven at 320 F while you do the other steps of the cake.
4) Sieve the flour, baking powder and bicarbonate of soda into a separate bowl.
5) Cream the butter with the sugar using a mixer.
6) Add eggs, one by one into the butter sugar mix and have it mixed further.
7) Add the flour(mixed with baking powder and bicarbonate of soda) into the butter,sugar and egg mix, in 3 batches. As the mixture gets drier, add in the orange juice and orange zest. After that pour the mixture into the baking pan.
8) Put it in the oven to bake, about 1h 30 min (Also depends on how hot your oven is - stick it with a satay stick to determine if its cooked or not). On the last 10 mins or so, increase the temperature to 338 F - to get the cake to peak.
The preheating of the oven will take about 30 min, but you'll be using those 30 min to do the other steps (to save time) so the preheating will be done by the time you're ready to put the cake in.
When I say cups, I mean use a Measuring cup
All measurements for tablespoons and teaspoons are done using Measuring spoons
Latest experiment showed that 150 ml of orange juice is the way to go.

captain yesterday |

Tequila Sunrise wrote:Blerg, I am ill again.
The good news: I may have puzzled out why I've been getting so many lung infections this year. Maybe.
The bad news: My manager told me that HR and his boss are asking questions about my frequent time off this year.
*sigh*
So what caused the lung infections, Tequilia?
And yeah I heard they're talking about the too long lunch hour...but if in that case I dunno how I'm going to fit in gym time...
My work is my gym.