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DAMMIT YOU GUYS!!!


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...apparently I have torn my clothes off in rage. Excuse me.


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Ha! Trapped by tropes, in your own nakedness even:-D

Shadow Lodge

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Tacticslion wrote:
I, for one, am proud that I have leveled up enough that my Will save has enabled me to avoid clicking any of those links. :D

Wise you have grown, young grasshopper.


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
The Doomkitten wrote:

Goofing off because we're doing the same topic, just in a different way that I already know how to do, that we have been doing for the past year in math.

Good lord, I know all of this, they know all of this, so can you please do something else!

Oooooh... don't get me started on Common Core, the "New Maths", and the idea that every year it keeps changing so the kids are re-learning the same thing over and over and over again.

Impus Major is now doing slope-intercept form of a line...
...which he did in 6th grade as part of Common Core...
...which he did in 8th grade as part of the "new" Common Core...
...which he's doing in 9th grade as part of the "new new" Common Core...

At least he's really getting quite good at it...

hm. I find common core interesting in that it works well for a very specific approach to/mindset towards1 math. It reminds me of math before I started to have problems with it. No problem with repeating ideas in math, at least on my end- the "hot potato" approach I endured in school doesn't work for me.

Avoiding running TOO far off track, but so far my take on Common Core is similar to this:

Mountain Guide: So, there are six routes to the top of the mountain. Ready to climb?
Tourist: Er, sure. So which route are we going to take?
MG: Oh, that entirely depends on you and your strengths and weaknesses. Tell you what, we'll take them all and let YOU choose which one works best for you.
Tourist: Er, OK. But how will I know which one is best for me?
MG: Not my problem. Just keep in mind that because there are six routes, I'm going to keep asking you to use all six, even after you've chosen your favorite.
Tourist: But... but... wait! Why do I have to learn and be tested on all six methods, even the ones I'm not any good at?
MG: Because THAT'S how you learn!

EDIT: Seriously, listening to the teachers tell me how great Common Core is because it allows each student to work to his or her strengths, and then doing the kids' homework and finding a series of problems that say, "Use this method to solve the first two problems. Then that method to solve the next two. Then the other method to solve the final two," does not build confidence in what they say they're doing...


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Tammy hates the common core, had to be made by evil dwarves of Droskar, it's the only explanation.


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Grrrrr... You got me clicking TVtrope links at work. Are you trying to get me in trouble with corporate (who monitors everyone's web usage)!


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And here I was, 2 days until retirement...


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NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
The Doomkitten wrote:

Goofing off because we're doing the same topic, just in a different way that I already know how to do, that we have been doing for the past year in math.

Good lord, I know all of this, they know all of this, so can you please do something else!

Oooooh... don't get me started on Common Core, the "New Maths", and the idea that every year it keeps changing so the kids are re-learning the same thing over and over and over again.

Impus Major is now doing slope-intercept form of a line...
...which he did in 6th grade as part of Common Core...
...which he did in 8th grade as part of the "new" Common Core...
...which he's doing in 9th grade as part of the "new new" Common Core...

At least he's really getting quite good at it...

hm. I find common core interesting in that it works well for a very specific approach to/mindset towards1 math. It reminds me of math before I started to have problems with it. No problem with repeating ideas in math, at least on my end- the "hot potato" approach I endured in school doesn't work for me.

Avoiding running TOO far off track, but so far my take on Common Core is similar to this:

Mountain Guide: So, there are six routes to the top of the mountain. Ready to climb?
Tourist: Er, sure. So which route are we going to take?
MG: Oh, that entirely depends on you and your strengths and weaknesses. Tell you what, we'll take them all and let YOU choose which one works best for you.
Tourist: Er, OK. But how will I know which one is best for me?
MG: Not my problem. Just keep in mind that because there are six routes, I'm going to keep asking you to use all six, even after you've chosen your favorite.
Tourist: But... but... wait! Why do I have to learn and be tested on all six methods, even the ones I'm not any good at?
MG: Because THAT'S how you learn!

EDIT: Seriously, listening to the teachers tell me how great Common...

sorry it's not working for you. A mono approach to math didn't work for me. For something as important as math, multiple ways to solve a problem can only help. I'm sorry they aren't being flexible.


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Justin Franklin wrote:
1975 so before Freehold! and a bunch of other people, but not Sharoth.

~shakes my dragon sized walker at you~ You be quiet you wipper snapper you! Why in my day... What was I talking about again? The memory is the first thing to go.


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Freehold DM wrote:
sorry it's not working for you. A mono approach to math didn't work for me. For something as important as math, multiple ways to solve a problem can only help. I'm sorry they aren't being flexible.

It's not the "mono approach", it's the "all approaches at once".

In 10+ years of teaching math and 20+ years of tutoring it, I learned one fundamental truth: If you show students more than one way to do something too soon, they're going to mix 'em up. And I've seen it with every kid I've worked with in my kids' peer group as well.

I love showing different approaches. I hate showing several different approaches in the course of a single lesson. It leads to confusion, and plenty of it.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
sorry it's not working for you. A mono approach to math didn't work for me. For something as important as math, multiple ways to solve a problem can only help. I'm sorry they aren't being flexible.

It's not the "mono approach", it's the "all approaches at once".

In 10+ years of teaching math and 20+ years of tutoring it, I learned one fundamental truth: If you show students more than one way to do something too soon, they're going to mix 'em up. And I've seen it with every kid I've worked with in my kids' peer group as well.

I love showing different approaches. I hate showing several different approaches in the course of a single lesson. It leads to confusion, and plenty of it.

I need a several approaches in the same lesson. Otherwise I'm going to get confused due to maths inherent "more than one way to get the answer to this problem" ness.

Also, this anecdote sums up my experiences with math on the level we are discussing quite nicely...

"There is a nice anecdote about a famous mathematician proving a theorem in front of an advanced class. A student asked how one step followed from the preceding step, although agreeing that it must be true. The professor erased that step from the board, looked at the board, said "Therefore," and wrote it down again. Still the student didn't understand. The professor erased that step from the board, looked at the board, said "Therefore," and wrote it down again. The student still didn't understand. The professor said with exasperation, "I've done it THREE different ways, and if you can't understand at least one of them, then you'll have to see me after class."


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Sharoth wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
1975 so before Freehold! and a bunch of other people, but not Sharoth.
~shakes my dragon sized walker at you~ You be quiet you wipper snapper you! Why in my day... What was I talking about again? The memory is the first thing to go.

i thought it was looks...or is that just you?

Spoiler:
jk


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
sorry it's not working for you. A mono approach to math didn't work for me. For something as important as math, multiple ways to solve a problem can only help. I'm sorry they aren't being flexible.

It's not the "mono approach", it's the "all approaches at once".

In 10+ years of teaching math and 20+ years of tutoring it, I learned one fundamental truth: If you show students more than one way to do something too soon, they're going to mix 'em up. And I've seen it with every kid I've worked with in my kids' peer group as well.

I love showing different approaches. I hate showing several different approaches in the course of a single lesson. It leads to confusion, and plenty of it.

I need a several approaches in the same lesson. Otherwise I'm going to get confused due to maths inherent "more than one way to get the answer to this problem" ness.

Interesting... too bad I'll never teach you. Would have been fun to see how you reacted to my approach. I'm rather proud that, in ten years of teaching, I only ever failed one student who truly "tried" (did all the homework and came to my office hours for help), and she was so brilliant I promptly marched her to the campus disability office where she was diagnosed with... something. Whatever it was, she got an A+ the next semester. (I am rather infamous for my office hours -- the requirement is usually 2 hours per week. I kept 15, and usually had 5-10 students in my office at all times.)

NobodysHome's Story Time:

Forgive me if I've told this one on FaWTL already.

I was teaching Statistics, which is a bear in and of itself. Towards the end of October of 1996, one of my students stood up mid-lecture and proclaimed, "You're not Dr. Good! You're Dr. Evil!"

This was on Tuesday the 29th, with the next class on Thursday the 31st. So of course I had to race off to Costumes on Haight, get a full Dr. Evil regalia (complete with scar kit, which is some really fun makeup), shaved my head (no bald wigs for me), and NobodysWife got done up in steel-toed boots, tight black jeans, a leather motorcycle jacket, mirrored shades, and a stylish hat (like Hogan wore in Hogan's heroes, except black leather with studs).

So next class on the 31st, the students were wondering where I was because I am *never* late. NobodysWife stormed in, scanned the class with a steely eye, nodded, and let me in.

I got a standing ovation.

For the rest of the semester every test question was, "Dr. Good is trying to conquer the world with this nefarious device. Will it work?"

My favorite-ever test answer was from a guy who was miserably failing my class anyway (15% after 2/3 of the semester) who wrote, "I refuse to assist you in your evil schemes, so in good conscience I cannot answer this question."

I figured it was good for half credit.


Orthos wrote:
Born in '85 here. Very much a child of the 90s as a result.

For some reason, I thought you were at least 35 or 40...


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Tacticslion wrote:
I, for one, am proud that I have leveled up enough that my Will save has enabled me to avoid clicking any of those links. :D

Visiting them all before gives a significant circumstance bonus.


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Drejk wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
I, for one, am proud that I have leveled up enough that my Will save has enabled me to avoid clicking any of those links. :D
Visiting them all before gives a significant circumstance bonus.

Well yes. And visiting them multiple times befo-

Wait! I wasn't going to incriminate myself! Drreeeeeejjjjjkkk~!


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Born,... In,... 85?!?!?!
I graduated HIGH SCHOOL in 84!

I was born in Feb 1966,... :P

Young punks don't know how good they have it.

In MY day we had to walk 5 miles to school.

And it was UP HILL BOTH WAYS!

RassinFrassinStupidheadkPunkKidsANDSTAYOFFAMYLAWN!


*throttles Avalon's gameplay thread*

WAAAAAAKE UUUUUUP, dammit!


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Tacticslion wrote:
his (un)life is basically this song

Now I'm having flashbacks to high school...

Tacticslion wrote:
which isn't bad at all...

no

Tacticslion wrote:
Let me just say that I remember being 16. Sixteen is awesome.

Man... I must have been doing something wrong when I was 16. 16 sucked. Of course, I was an a%*&!+* Straight Edge kid at that age, so what the f#!* do I know.


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AND did I mention that in MY day we didn't have no fancy-schmancy video games neither!

We used to have to go (gasp!) OUTSIDE and have actual face-to-face contact with other kids!

OUR MMO's were 'cops and Robbers' and 'Superheroes and villians' played by chasing each other around the neighborhood.

And in MY day,... We didn't have no fancy-pant cellphones neither!
We had PHONES! Wired to the wall! You know what they did?

They made PHONE CALLS! Can your fancy-pants I-thingy do THAT punk?!?

<Gonnagotakemymedstheyrewearingoffagain,...>


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Tacticslion wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
I, for one, am proud that I have leveled up enough that my Will save has enabled me to avoid clicking any of those links. :D
Visiting them all before gives a significant circumstance bonus.

Well yes. And visiting them multiple times befo-

Wait! I wasn't going to incriminate myself! Drreeeeeejjjjjkkk~!

I also managed to resist clicking any of the above links.

Mainly because I don't have time to click and see/watch any and all links that come my way! I don't have time to get all my work done as it is! :)


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I thought you are older... It must be that long white beard!


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David M Mallon wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
his (un)life is basically this song

Now I'm having flashbacks to high school...

Tacticslion wrote:
which isn't bad at all...

no

Tacticslion wrote:
Let me just say that I remember being 16. Sixteen is awesome.
Man... I must have been doing something wrong when I was 16. 16 sucked. Of course, I was an a!~~$@* Straight Edge kid at that age, so what the f%@% do I know.

LOL, ok, now on THIS I am also guilty.

And so far, I'm ok with that. ;P


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Freehold DM wrote:
The desire for eye candy/manic pixie dream girl in the office is pretty bad according to an old acquaintance of mine.

That's a thing now? I thought that was only a thing on the TV.


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Drejk wrote:
I thought you are older... It must be that long white beard!

It aint the YEARS dragon,

It's the MILEAGE!

;P

<Disclaimer: your wizard mileage may vary>


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Tacticslion wrote:
I, for one, am proud that I have leveled up enough that my Will save has enabled me to avoid clicking any of those links. :D

As an inanimate object, I have no Wisdom score, so I don't have to worry about it.

Silver Crusade

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Ragadolf wrote:

Born,... In,... 85?!?!?!

I graduated HIGH SCHOOL in 84!

I was born in Feb 1966,... :P

Young punks don't know how good they have it.

In MY day we had to walk 5 miles to school.

And it was UP HILL BOTH WAYS!

...In a driving blizzard, through 10' of snow and this was in california

Grand Lodge

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Tacticslion wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
I, for one, am proud that I have leveled up enough that my Will save has enabled me to avoid clicking any of those links. :D
Visiting them all before gives a significant circumstance bonus.

Well yes. And visiting them multiple times befo-

Wait! I wasn't going to incriminate myself! Drreeeeeejjjjjkkk~!

But then you remember that there is a legion constantly updating the pages with new content....


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Ragadolf wrote:

AND did I mention that in MY day we didn't have no fancy-schmancy video games neither!

We used to have to go (gasp!) OUTSIDE and have actual face-to-face contact with other kids!

OUR MMO's were 'cops and Robbers' and 'Superheroes and villians' played by chasing each other around the neighborhood.

And in MY day,... We didn't have no fancy-pant cellphones neither!
We had PHONES! Wired to the wall! You know what they did?

They made PHONE CALLS! Can your fancy-pants I-thingy do THAT punk?!?

<Gonnagotakemymedstheyrewearingoffagain,...>

Granted, that's basically how I grew up, and I'm a few years over half your age. Technological progress is weird, man. People around my age had more similar childhoods to their parents than to people born just a few years later.


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David M Mallon wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Born in '85 here. Very much a child of the 90s as a result.
For some reason, I thought you were at least 35 or 40...

Nope, just turned 30 this past June.


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The Doomkitten wrote:

*throttles Avalon's gameplay thread*

WAAAAAAKE UUUUUUP, dammit!

Sorry, hun. Sat down to update and kidlet walked in with broken glasses. Luckily reparable (because frames are expensive dammit), but it required super glue to fix. And ours had dried up so I had to go to the store to get some. And of course it couldn't wait because glasses required to see and stuff. This is the kind of thing that happens when you're a parent.

(And if you want to know what happened to keep me from updating earlier in the day it was because I was trying to repair my sofa. Unsuccessfully. But I did make my reflex save versus the spring that will not stay tacked down so it didn't gore me. Yay. Doesn't being a grown up sound like so much fun now? :P)


Actually, pre-highschool, I really did have to walk uphill in the snow* both ways to school. Like, for real.

Spoiler:
Because this was in Lithuania in the 90's and the trolley bus picked me up at the top of the hill where I lived and dropped me off at the bottom of the hill where my school was, and vice-verse.

* Well, salt-and-melt ice-and-mud mix. Look it's filthy, sure, but effective.**

** And that's why, to this day, I refuse to wear shoes beyond the front door. And people think it's just because I'm a Weabo^.

^ I... think that's how you spell it? Anyway, I probably am, sort of, but that's not why I don't wear shoes.


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David M Mallon wrote:
no

Dude, you could have at least linked to Luthor from 'Returns.

Tacticslion wrote:
Let me just say that I remember being 16. Sixteen is awesome.
David M Mallon wrote:
Man... I must have been doing something wrong when I was 16. 16 sucked. Of course, I was an a&%#$@$ Straight Edge kid at that age, so what the f#%@ do I know.

Nope, I was straight-edged as well. It's just that we generally don't quite understand just how good we have it at 16. Mostly because we're too busy making really stupid decisions while thinking they're great ones. (Also, I tend to be really happy, sooooo...)


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
But then you remember that there is a legion constantly updating the pages with new content....

NOPE.ORG


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I used to walk 4.5 miles thru the snow and wind uphill to work at about 3 a.m. the coldest part of the night.


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I used to drive all my friends around in a big white 1970 Volvo station wagon so they wouldn't have to walk in the rain and snow...

NobodysHome's Worst Story Time EVER!!!:

One time after dropping off a friend during a particularly nasty downpour in Oakland, I saw the Holy Grail of a teenage boy with a two-ton tank of a vehicle: A huge, deep, 50'-long swath of water just begging to be plowed through. So I revved the mighty 4-cylinder engine (this was before Volvos were sporty, mind you) and got the car up to a whopping 45 miles per hour, headed straight into the lake before me...
...and only then did I notice the little old lady standing on the corner in her raincoat and umbrella waiting for the bus.

There was no turning. There was no stopping. The heavy vehicle hit the pond at high speed with the expected result, and a massive 8-foot wall of water bore down on the hapless elder.

...as I watched the carnage in the rear view, my only thought was, "Well, at least she had an umbrella."

I've felt guilty about it ever since...


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Umbrellas only help if it's coming from above, not from the Tsunami of a teenage boy with poor situational awareness!!!


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I also have a weakness for large puddles.


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NobodysHome wrote:
*story*

... I feel guilty about it, just reading it! :(


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16 was a great year for me, I was transforming from a twig of a girl into a young adult with real curves. Nothing makes you feel like a woman more than having boys doing stupid things when you're around. Like this one poor boy who was so busy staring at my chest he walked straight into a metal door frame, just like on TV. It was wonderful.


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Tacticslion wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Let me just say that I remember being 16. Sixteen is awesome.
David M Mallon wrote:
Man... I must have been doing something wrong when I was 16. 16 sucked. Of course, I was an a&%#$@$ Straight Edge kid at that age, so what the f#%@ do I know.
Nope, I was straight-edged as well. It's just that we generally don't quite understand just how good we have it at 16. Mostly because we're too busy making really stupid decisions while thinking they're great ones. (Also, I tend to be really happy, sooooo...)

Let's see... when I was sixteen... would have been 2001.

I was a Junior in High School. I was first-chair trombonist in band, I wasn't in any classes I absolutely hated (my Sophomore Biology class was hell, by comparison my Junior-year Chemistry class was a breeze), our football team did well enough for the band to get to go to some really awesome destinations for halftime performances all around the southeastern point of Texas. Was also refereeing soccer games for the local youth league on Saturdays in autumn for $10 per game.

I'd just gotten my first laptop, and with it discovered RPG Maker 2000 and emulators. I was getting even more heavily into RPGs - I'd finally played through Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, EarthBound, and Secret of Mana; Pokemon Gold and Silver had just come out the year before, and Golden Sun had just come out that August.

No less straight-edged then than I am now, but that's no surprise to anyone who knows me. I'm pretty boring if you're not into the same hobbies I am.

I had no interest in sports, driving, or girls, so I was pretty content to spend my evenings in my room playing video games, reading (alas, I forget what sort of things I was reading at that time!), or writing. No job, no bills, no responsibilities outside school and chores. Not a lot of money, either, but other than picking up the newest game that interested me (or just asking for it for birthday/Xmas) I didn't have much to spend it on.

All in all, far more fond memories than bad ones.

Would I go back to it given the option? Probably not, I've gotten really used to my current freedom of living alone, the convenience of having my own income despite the requirements of work, and so forth. But I certainly didn't have much to complain about either.


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Tacticslion wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
*story*
... I feel guilty about it, just reading it! :(

I notice that not only did you read it, but you favorited it. Is that double guilt? :-P


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He has a favoriting problem :-)

Don't look at me to stage an intervention tho, I'm going to work, besides it's not like I can talk with my 156 aliases :-)


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Aranna wrote:
16 was a great year for me, I was transforming from a twig of a girl into a young adult with real curves. Nothing makes you feel like a woman more than having boys doing stupid things when you're around. Like this one poor boy who was so busy staring at my chest he walked straight into a metal door frame, just like on TV. It was wonderful.

0.0


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16...1994?
No, more 1995 due to when my birthday falls.

Great year.

Had just got into anime and gaming for the most part. Was probably the year of my first trip to Chinatown. The trip that changed everything.

hugs rockman x, macross 7 cds

Twas also the year of the giant snowstorm and I was snowed in and had to play final fantasy 3...nonstop.


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I love it when a customer decides you need a really passive aggressive change counting lesson, and it turns out you were right all along because she confused a quarter with a nickel.


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Rosita the Riveter wrote:
I love it when a customer decides you need a really passive aggressive change counting lesson, and it turns out you were right all along because she confused a quarter with a nickel.

has bank flashbacks


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Also love coming out of work on a warm, clear afternoon, hopping on a cable car I don't have to pay the $7 fare for because I buy a monthly transit pass, and riding to the subway in style, hanging off of the edge of the cable car with an Italian soda in the great Indian summer weather.


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Orthos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
*shakes cane at Orthos and LordSynos*

shakes cane at everyone

Stop being younger than me!

No.

Pfft, if they're too young...

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