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One of the coolest jobs I've done, we had to do like 5,000 square feet of brick edging around flower beds at this Llama farm on top of this big hill in the middle of nowhere (I.e. Mount Horeb) anyway every day we worked there all these Thunderstorms would pop up around us!
The awesomeness of sitting on top of that hill and watching those storms flare up and pass us by while the Llamas grazed along the side of the hill will never be duplicated. Stuff like that is mainly why we stay :-)
Edit: since I'm naked I might as well put on a Smurfy show for everyone:-p
Edit 2: I think that smurf is wearing a thong :-)
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So, I've been seeing a bunch of threads about time travel lately, and there are two theories that have been popping up a lot: the Marvel Theory, and the TARDIS theory.
The Marvel theory is that as soon as you travel back in time, you make an alternate reality in which whatever changes you make are in effect when you go to that time line's present (in comparison to your home time line's). When you travel into the future, however, things are entirely different. As the future relative to your timeline, however, has not been decided, the universe essentially makes a grab bag of possibilities and plops you into one of them, where certain events happened after you took off. However, these futures are not set in stone-they are merely the most possible of all of the futures taken from your time line. This provides an in-universe explanation for the "What If?" line, as the backwards time travel effect (as evidenced by the Council of Kangs) combined with the infinite possibilities future makes for an infinite number of presents and futures.
The TARDIS theory is much simpler: time is a linear thing for everybody except time travelers. There is a past, there is a future, each is set in stone. That is, until a traveler comes in. Time travelers can tinker with the timelines, for as soon as they first travel, they become foreign to the timeline, and they are able to interfere with it. This has led to a variety of effects, such as BB2 (Big Bang Two), the varying near futures of Earth, and the various Dalek Invasions that have never actually happened.
My theory is that you can't change the future or past, because you already have. What? You may be thinking. Impossible! But the thing is, as soon as you exit the timestream, everything becomes relative-everything is happening all at once. Let's say you attempt to make it so that Christopher Columbus never makes it to the Americas. You go back in time, and attempt to change his course. However, your bumbling eventually makes it so that he finds the Americas, instead of avoiding them, making for a neat little paradox.
Warning: Wall of Text
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I personally prefer Chrono Trigger time travel, which is somewhere between the two - it does the whole alternate-timeline thing, but smaller-changed timelines tend to fold back into the major timeline and other than some minor alterations things go as previously, while larger-scale changes can have more drastic dimension-splitting results, and what determines small-scale and large-scale isn't always as simple as it seems. (See: Chrono Cross.) There's also an implied immunity to changes that kicks in as soon as you leave your normal place in the timestream, in that travelers can change the future without feeling the repercussions, which nicely sidesteps the Grandfather Paradox.
There's a whole mess of theories out there on the subject; a few years ago I'd read up on them enough to cite them nearly from memory. However it's been a while since I did any looking into it so my recollection is a bit more spotty nowadays.
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** spoiler omitted **...
Wow. If that's a wall of text, then I'm creating entire cities!
The "time is static" trope has been used beautifully throughout sci fi writing for years, including things like plots to kill Hitler that end up saving his life, nuclear aircraft carriers that end their paradox when they decide to end WW II, etc. (Why does all time travel center around WW II, anyway?)
I think that's why Inglorious Basterds ended up being such a fantastic movie:
(SERIOUS MOVIE SPOILER HERE. DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE)
What? You're still looking at that taunting, tempting Spoiler button and you haven't seen the movie?
The fact that they succeed, indicating we're watching an alternate history, is such a joy when you've been watching the movie the entire time knowing they HAVE to fail because history didn't "go that way".
Seriously, though. I do loves me some "time is static" fiction.
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Time Travel? Babylon 5, hands down. The secret is that if you traveled back in time, the results of your travel are already here and shaping the now as well as future, not correcting the now and future only after arbitrary after travel.
12 Monkeys got that right too.
I know where I came from—but where did all you zombies come from?
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Freehold DM wrote:MoorBucks, backed by BttH safely secured by the FaWTL Reserve at Fort Knockers.captain yesterday wrote:Mount FAWTLympus perhaps :-)
Has a view, guaranteed not to sink, debauchery included :-)
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Say, what currency do we use?
I love it.
my boss just gave me a bizarre look as I broke out laughing imagining a grinning Moorluck on the face of the bill, with a picture of him lounging on a pile of money on the back.
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Yep. Thanks for the support. We've been avoiding it for way too long, specifically because he's the emotionally overreactive type (the only man over 40 I know who still has tantrums). But he's killed 3 campaigns already, and now that I'm running a campaign with 4 14-year-olds and 2 11-year-olds and seeing them ALL much better-behaved than him, I know it's time to end all subtlety.
I think you mentioned him in another thread and then, as now, discussing it with him is the best scenario. He may need long term help if literally all of the children are better behaved than he is.
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Freehold DM wrote:captain yesterday wrote:Mount FAWTLympus perhaps :-)
Has a view, guaranteed not to sink, debauchery included :-)
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Say, what currency do we use?
Spice!
No, Dust!
No, Ducats!
.... Wunian snow dances? You give them out so freely, we'd all be rich! :D
the last time a based an economy on Wunian snow dances, it ended...poorly...
glances in direction of Antarctica
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NobodysHome wrote:I think you mentioned him in another thread and then, as now, discussing it with him is the best scenario. He may need long term help if literally all of the children are better behaved than he is.Yep. Thanks for the support. We've been avoiding it for way too long, specifically because he's the emotionally overreactive type (the only man over 40 I know who still has tantrums). But he's killed 3 campaigns already, and now that I'm running a campaign with 4 14-year-olds and 2 11-year-olds and seeing them ALL much better-behaved than him, I know it's time to end all subtlety.
Well, not to go off into "friend psychology", but it's really easy for me to shoot down a misbehaving 14-year-old. He looks chastised for a moment, starts behaving, and forgets the entire incident in 10 minutes. I was so mean last week that I took one of the kids aside and apologized for coming down on him so hard, and his response was, "Oh, it didn't seem all that bad. And I'm sure I deserved it." He didn't even remember why I'd shut him down!
Misbehaving 40+-year-olds are far more likely to dwell on the subject matter, ponder what's wrong with their life that they behave that way, wonder who else they might have hurt, etc.
Sucks to be an existential 40-something!
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hmm. Interesting. The former sounds like old school star trek, the latter like new school. Cool.
Me, I like the idea of time changing with the fluidity and grace of a marble statue a'la some takes on Terminator, where changing one thing in the past really has little effect on the future other than changing circumstances and perhaps some aesthetic differences. Outcomes are not set in stone but they are incredibly redundant.
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I personally prefer Chrono Trigger time travel, which is somewhere between the two - it does the whole alternate-timeline thing, but smaller-changed timelines tend to fold back into the major timeline and other than some minor alterations things go as previously, while larger-scale changes can have more drastic dimension-splitting results, and what determines small-scale and large-scale isn't always as simple as it seems. (See: Chrono Cross.) There's also an implied immunity to changes that kicks in as soon as you leave your normal place in the timestream, in that travelers can change the future without feeling the repercussions, which nicely sidesteps the Grandfather Paradox.
There's a whole mess of theories out there on the subject; a few years ago I'd read up on them enough to cite them nearly from memory. However it's been a while since I did any looking into it so my recollection is a bit more spotty nowadays.
if only we got radical dreamers. If only.
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Orthos wrote:if only we got radical dreamers. If only.I personally prefer Chrono Trigger time travel, which is somewhere between the two - it does the whole alternate-timeline thing, but smaller-changed timelines tend to fold back into the major timeline and other than some minor alterations things go as previously, while larger-scale changes can have more drastic dimension-splitting results, and what determines small-scale and large-scale isn't always as simple as it seems. (See: Chrono Cross.) There's also an implied immunity to changes that kicks in as soon as you leave your normal place in the timestream, in that travelers can change the future without feeling the repercussions, which nicely sidesteps the Grandfather Paradox.
There's a whole mess of theories out there on the subject; a few years ago I'd read up on them enough to cite them nearly from memory. However it's been a while since I did any looking into it so my recollection is a bit more spotty nowadays.
I've played a fan-translation of RD. It's kind of meh overall and all the good parts of it made it into CC except for Vera and Magil/Guile being Magus/Janus. It's just too short to do more than hint at things CC already did if not told us outright, such as the Porre War and fall of Guardia.
Also Cross has MUCH better music. OH MY WORD do I LOVE Chrono Cross's soundtrack. SO MUCH.
Some of the alternate endings are fun though. Like the one where Lynx turns into an alien.
Now a more coherent Chrono Cross or a true sequel to Trigger, now that would have me interested.
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Orthos wrote:AC in April sounds hellish.Amen to that. If there's absolutely nothing else I love about living in the south (which there are, a great many other things), it'd be the limited grip winter has on the area.
I've actually had to start turning my AC on at night. Shock and alarm.
It actually is, because the colder the air is when I sleep, the more likely I am to wake up with excess gunk in my throat. When I do, it bugs me almost all day. I need to actually remember to turn it off before going to bed, to avoid that.
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Loving the time travel discussion. So much inspiration. And just when I'm in the middle of a time related arc too. *evil grin*
Now let's see if this post goes through. I've been having internet trouble the last couple of days and I'm really hoping that it's better enough that I can actually post game updates. Unlike last night when I swear my computer laughed at me when I tried to make a post....
Edit: Woo! First try! Presuming I don't lose connection again I should be able to post updates after dinner.
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Chrono Trigger was the first video game rpg I ever played, to this day great joy fills my heart every time I hear music from it.
ffvi and the saga games do it for me every time. Chrono Trigger does it for my wife and my best friend. secret of mana/ seiken densetsu 2 is the music my unborn child will listen to in utero.
captain yesterday |
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Looks over clean kitchen and living room, both made easier by taking breaks to joke on FAWTL
Thanks guys!
I guess its true, everything is easier with FAWTL:-p
puts on miner's helmet and grabs a rope
Now on to the kids room, if you don't hear from me by Monday tell my Wife i always loved her sister mo-..... wait a minute! my Wife doesn't have a sister..... whew that was close! almost made a huge mistake!, anyway tell my wife i always loved Claire Danes more, thats better right?.... wait!....
..... Claire Danes is still hot right?
captain yesterday |
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But seriously the house is clean (the kids room seceded from the house years ago:-p) the paperwork that was hanging over my head is filled out and ready to be hand delivered in the morning, and due to a rare confluence of scheduling everyone is off from work and school tomorrow, so you know what that means.... Iron Gods!!
Of course tonight i have to decide whether i want to A) do a write up of last session(s) or....
B) pop in Fallout 3 for the first time
hard, hard choices:-p
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Looks over clean kitchen and living room, both made easier by taking breaks to joke on FAWTL
Thanks guys!
I guess its true, everything is easier with FAWTL:-pputs on miner's helmet and grabs a rope
Now on to the kids room,
Don't forget a 10-ft. pole!
Also, under no circumstances eat or drink anything you find... You don't know what was it made from, or how long it stayed there!
captain yesterday |
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Oh, well, if you will get stuck and won't be able to find way out before Monday, you might need to resort to eating and drinking things you may find there...
Either way it was nice knowing you.
well the dog uses it to stash s!*% for later so who knows..... i anticipate losing contact either under the bed, in the wall behind the toy kitchen or the closet of stuffed animals (the clothes were pushed out, they're now in my closet, i no longer have a closet:-p)
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I'm subtle about it, I know, but my favorite is Final Fantasy Tactics.
Well, that or Chrono Trigger. Hm, or perhaps Final Fantasy
IIIVI. Oh, oh: or maybe [i]Vagrant Story, for a real wild card. Then again, there's always...
I loved the opening to vagrant story. Unfortunately the game itself has not aged well due to flat screen TV ruining the graphics.