Not sure if this as already been posted (and I thought it easier to post a new thread then search through hundreds) but are the Werebear stats in Beastiary 2 p. 181 messed up? I know about the organization section missing and that isn't what I'm speaking of. I am referencing to the size, AC and ability scores of the Werebear (Hybrid Form). I suppose the first question is what bear is being used for the base animal? I am assuming that they were using the grizzly bear as their reference in the Werebears creation.
Firstly the size: ] A lycanthrope’s hybrid form is the same size as the base animal or the base creature, whichever is larger.[/quote wrote: With that in mind the base size of the grizzly bear is large, where as the Werebear (Hybrid) is medium.
Secondly, AC: ] In hybrid or animal form the lycanthrope has the natural armor bonus of the base animal increased by +2.[/quote wrote: My interpretation of this statement is that the lycanthrope receives the base animals natural armor +2; which is consistent with the Werewolf stat block in the Beastiary p. 198. If this is the case then shouldn't the Werebear's (Hybird) armor be 24? The Grizzly's natural is +6 and thus the Werebear should have an addition six to its AC.
Thirdly, Ability scores: ] +2 Wis, –2 Cha in all forms; +2 Str, +2 Con in hybrid and animal forms...In addition to these adjustments to the base creature’s stats, a lycanthrope’s ability scores change when he assumes hybrid or animal form. In human form, the lycanthrope’s ability scores are unchanged from the base creature’s form. In animal and hybrid form, the lycanthrope’s ability scores are the same as the base creature’s or the base animal’s, whichever ability score is higher.[/quote wrote: In the Werebear's stat block the hybrid form does receive the bonus to strength and con (and the wis/cha changes assuming they were both 10 originally). However, In hybrid form isn't the Werebear suppose to switched its base str to 21, con to 19 and wis to 12 to match those of the Grizzly since they are higher? This would give the hybrid form 23,14,21,12,14,8 for its ability scores in str/dex/con/int/wis/cha order.
Not sure (if correct) how these changes would affect CR and such. Also all the quotes are from page 196 of the Beastiary. The Grizzly is on page 31 of the same book. Thanks for reading.
You are correct. This error has been found by the editors over at d20pfsrd and corrected in the entry that you can find below.
Werebear
Thank you for the link. I have a couple other concerns if I may. Out of all the lycanthropes the Werebear and the Weretiger are the only ones who would change size when they shift, in your opinion should their items increase size with them or burst/fall off? Also, would these change in stats affect the CR at all? Since the lycanthrope section says that the CR should be +1 to whichever is higher the starting Werebear would be level 5, making the level 4 ranger level 9. Or because it does not gain any of the additional hit dice do you not increase the CR?
Normally non-magical items would not change size with their owner unless the effect specifically states so. (Note Enlarge Person description)
The CR is +1 to whichever is higher, the base creature or the base animal. The base creature is a 4th level ranger (CR 3) and the base animal is a brown bear (CR 4). The final CR should be the CR of the bear (because it's higher) + 1 for a total of CR 5. It is given as CR 4 in B2, but would likely be in error due to the way the template plays out.
Makes sense. Then the CR would eventually shift from the bear to the ranger levels once the ranger got to higher levels correct?
Anoze wrote: Makes sense. Then the CR would eventually shift from the bear to the ranger levels once the ranger got to higher levels correct? Yes, that would be how it works I believe. With 10 ranger levels, the extra boost from the bear stats would be less of an impact than it is with 4 ranger levels.
The Were tiger listing still has a human sized hybrid form.
Is that going to change soon or should I go ahead and adjust it for my records?
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