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Given the crunch in availability of 1-7 scenarios, spending resources putting together scenarios that will only be usable by a thin slice of the player base seems ill-advised. But unless having played in them confers a dramatic in-game benefit over those who do not live in a community large enough to support 5-star judges, then it would seem to be an apples and oranges type of question.
What About the 5 star only Scenarios? no problem with that?They have stated in the past they will be giving some kind of reward for DMing a lot, they have just not as yet come up with it.
My point was though, is that you should expect in the future some kind a reward for those that GM a lot, Though I can't say for sure that it will be an in game reward, I would rather get a Discount to the scenarios.. ;)
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My point was though, is that you should expect in the future some kind a reward for those that GM a lot, Though I can't say for sure that it will be an in game reward, I would rather get a Discount to the scenarios.. ;)Given the crunch in availability of 1-7 scenarios, spending resources putting together scenarios that will only be usable by a thin slice of the player base seems ill-advised. But unless having played in them confers a dramatic in-game benefit over those who do not live in a community large enough to support 5-star judges, then it would seem to be an apples and oranges type of question.
What About the 5 star only Scenarios? no problem with that?They have stated in the past they will be giving some kind of reward for DMing a lot, they have just not as yet come up with it.
Given the amount of product that most DM's buy, I imagine that even a minor discount in product would be the most welcome reward.
(Even at 5% discount off of Pathfinder pdf's per star, it's something tangible that most DM's would love, and would probably have minimal impact on the bottom line for Paizo.)
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(Even at 5% discount off of Pathfinder pdf's per star, it's something tangible that most DM's would love, and would probably have minimal impact on the bottom line for Paizo.)
And that's the problem with speculating what other people would appreciate.
5% per star means that Doug Doug would save $1.70 per month (25% of $3.39*2). That's hardly worth calling it a reward for the 100 hours he puts into Pathfinder Org. play every month.
There's a special boon for playing the Year of the Shadow Lodge special event. Would you walk away from the game because someone was able to play YotSL and you weren't?
Personally I think Paizo and the Organized Community would benefit more by having rewards that encouraged both players and GMs to invest their Time, Effort, and Money into the campaign. If that comes at the expense of a small percentage of players who aren't willing give back to the community, so be it.
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That said-in general, I do agree the monster races should stay monsters or it would ruin the flavor of PFS. However, if Paizo chose to use them as awards once in a while for the most dedicated of GMs, I certainly wouldn't quit over it.
I'm pretty much in the same boat at Teribithia - I'd much rather play than GM, but I like to give back to the community.
I also don't have a problem with granting rewards for GMing.
What I do have issue with is granting special rewards for attending a few exclusive (ie usually means expensive) conventions. I'd much prefer equal access attainable by anyone, regardless of geographic location or financial status.
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I'm pretty much in the same boat at Teribithia - I'd much rather play than GM, but I like to give back to the community.
I also don't have a problem with granting rewards for GMing.
What I do have issue with is granting special rewards for attending a few exclusive (ie usually means expensive) conventions. I'd much prefer equal access attainable by anyone, regardless of geographic location or financial status.
The specials are open to the public, though they usually require a Min number of players, so if your local group can't get the Min number that would be a problem.
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The specials are open to the public, though they usually require a Min number of players, so if your local group can't get the Min number that would be a problem.I'm pretty much in the same boat at Teribithia - I'd much rather play than GM, but I like to give back to the community.
I also don't have a problem with granting rewards for GMing.
What I do have issue with is granting special rewards for attending a few exclusive (ie usually means expensive) conventions. I'd much prefer equal access attainable by anyone, regardless of geographic location or financial status.
Fwiw, we had no trouble getting 7 tables of players together for last year's Special. It was open access - which is what I'm talking about.
Another example - the VC/4*star mod - it may not be available to me & my crew yet, but it will be eventually. No problem with this.What I have issue with isn't that GenCon, Origins, & PaizoCon have cool stuff - folks get to play the new stuff first & that should be reward enough for attending. What I *do* have issue with is the sense of entitlement that some attendees of said cons seem to have - that because they were able to make the journey that they should be rewarded with some sort of exclusive widgit (reward card, special PC race, etc).
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What I have issue with isn't that GenCon, Origins, & PaizoCon have cool stuff - folks get to play the new stuff first & that should be reward enough for attending. What I *do* have issue with is the sense of entitlement that some attendees of said cons seem to have - that because they were able to make the journey that they should be rewarded with some sort of exclusive widgit (reward card, special PC race, etc).
Currently there is no such thing.
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Currently there is no such thing.What I have issue with isn't that GenCon, Origins, & PaizoCon have cool stuff - folks get to play the new stuff first & that should be reward enough for attending. What I *do* have issue with is the sense of entitlement that some attendees of said cons seem to have - that because they were able to make the journey that they should be rewarded with some sort of exclusive widgit (reward card, special PC race, etc).
Jumping all the way back to Mark Moreland's post from Monday...
>>>"Were we to open any non-core races up for PFS play, they would almost certainly be limited rewards for attendants at specific events, or who had displayed exceptional service to Pathfinder Society Organized Play as a real-world entity."<<<
... I have no problem with the latter half of the MM's comment, but the former part (for attendants at specific events) sticks in my craw.
Though given the earlier statements from MM, I doubt we'll be seeing Tengu, Goblin, or any other non-standard races anytime soon (if ever).
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Someone posted that 5 Star GM's get punched in the Groin. That's reward enough.
I'm of three thoughts in regards to special boons for Players/GM's for their potential characters.
My first reaction is No. I'm a VC and earned special role-playing kudos at NeonCon. But that's me as Theocrat Issak playing Goldfrapp. Goldfrapp should not get some reward for my play (meaning some sort of boon that allows a feat/class/other) just for a character.
My reaction is also a No in regards to Theocrat Issak as a GM getting something special and allowing me to play a different special race. As GM's we do need whatever boons we can get, but being a GM and a player should be separate. GM's should get GM boons - and so far earning stars is it. Maybe more.
A reaction of Yes is for players. Players that earn special roleplaying kudos. Meaning that much like a 5 star GM is only earned by being granted by Paizo staff, a special kudos could be granted to players. Earning Best Faction Character at NeonCon is an awesome award. Not saying that my RP was better than others (I've posted that JP's was most excellent), but as voted on by the other attendee's its a neat recognition. There would have to be multiple opportunities for a player to earn that reward. Of course GenCon and PaizoCon and maybe a few other major Con's (who/what determines Major?) and who chooses how these players are rewarded would of course be decided.
For this though, a player would have to earn the reward, and all those that earned the reward would be open to playing this new race. The race would have to be something easy for GM's that are not aware or prepared for this special race and also fit easily in with the campaign setting.
So I'm of a couple minds regarding this - and having just played a bunch of modules should not be the reward - it should be earned.
Be Well. Be Well Played.
ME: Theocrat Issak
Character: Gen. Goldfrapp the Naked Halfling Taldoran Trebuchet.
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May I respectfully request that you either open up completely, or never allow any. To me, the "limited rewards" aspect simply promotes the elitism and snobbery that drove me away from Living Greyhawk.
If I ever sit down and find that a player is playing a non-core race that regular players are not allowed to use, I'll simply vacate the table, and never play PFS again.
(No, not a threat, it's just that that will be the point where I say the snobs have taken over, and it's time for me to leave.)
Honestly, I miss the "good old days," back when it was said that there would never be a ranking system for GMs, for example. I'm not a fan of the idea of special rewards that only some people would ever have access to.
And to throw this in there as well, I'm not a fan of exclusive adventures, but I'd be even more opposed if it could only be run for other people that have hit a certain milestone.
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This thread seems to be seriously derailed
Stepping away from the "rewards" discussion ...
I very much like the Bestiary 2 Races. I see them as bloodlines for non-sorcerers - why should sorcerers have a monopoly on ambiguous ancestry?
Whether or not Bestiary 2 Races are ever allowed in any form of organised play, they're still available for home games (Pathfinder Modules and Adventure Paths) if your GM allows. Bestiary 2 exists to serve a wider audience than organised play, eg homebrew campaigns.
Even if you can't play Bestiary 2 Races in organised play, sessions held at game stores or conventions are still a great opportunity to meet other players and arrange to play home games on other occasions.
Cheers,
DarkWhite
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Honestly, I miss the "good old days," back when it was said that there would never be a ranking system for GMs, for example. I'm not a fan of the idea of special rewards that only some people would ever have access to.And to throw this in there as well, I'm not a fan of exclusive adventures, but I'd be even more opposed if it could only be run for other people that have hit a certain milestone.
I am not going to address the rest of this post because it is your opinion and a valid one, but I will address the Ranking Part.
The Star system is not a "Ranking System" A ranking system implies that a GM is better then others, which is what Josh said there would never be after a small group of people asked for it. All the Star system is is a system of how many games people have GMed, except for the 5 Star which only good GMs will get who are 4 Star, but it does not Rank him higher then me who has 2 stars, as far as anyone knows I could be a much better GM then Doug I just have not GMed as much as him.
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The Star system is not a "Ranking System" A ranking system implies that a GM is better then others, which is what Josh said there would never be after a small group of people asked for it. All the Star system is is a system of how many games people have GMed, except for the 5 Star which only good GMs will get who are 4 Star, but it does not Rank him higher then me who has 2 stars, as far as anyone knows I could be a much better GM then Doug I just have not GMed as much as him.
The wording in the Guide, under the GM Ranking System seems to be slightly at odds with this assertion.
In practical terms I also look at the Star system as a number of mods runs but also as a potential quality factor. Not the only factor, and certainly not the majority factor. Generally experience leads to better quality, but not always. Just because you have 3 stars doesn't mean you are a great GM automatically to me, it just means you've run more than 60 and less than 100 PFS mods :)
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All the Star system is is a system of how many games people have GMed, except for the 5 Star which only good GMs will get who are 4 Star, but it does not Rank him higher then me who has 2 stars, as far as anyone knows I could be a much better GM then Doug I just have not GMed as much as him.
While this may be true, his maps are still #1, and the envy of GM's the world over...;-)
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All the Star system is is a system of how many games people have GMed, except for the 5 Star which only good GMs will get who are 4 Star, but it does not Rank him higher then me who has 2 stars, as far as anyone knows I could be a much better GM then Doug I just have not GMed as much as him.While this may be true, his maps are still #1, and the envy of GM's the world over...;-)
+1 .. the rest of us just aspire to be as good :P