I just thought of something, and it may have been covered by other posts.
Is it possible to have a spell that, for example, would cast inflict light (to a single target) and cast cure light (to the caster)? Or other similar thoughts?
Like: would spells that create "hurricane gusts of wind," perhaps a lightning storm (a la electric fireball or call lightning), and allow the caster to fly be possible (albeit at a higher level)? Because from what I'm understanding, such a spell would (under the current rules) create the winds and deal the damage to the targets, and then imbue those same targets with the ability to fly.
Is that understandable?
(I realize it is a danger, but before there is an argument about subverting the action economy, there are legacy spells that allow the caster to fly and shoot lightning bolts at the same time, not to mention simpler spells such as vampiric touch. More bang for my turn is not what is being sought...)
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I just thought of something, and it may have been covered by other posts.
Is it possible to have a spell that, for example, would cast inflict light (to a single target) and cast cure light (to the caster)? Or other similar thoughts?
Like: would spells that create "hurricane gusts of wind," perhaps a lightning storm (a la electric fireball or call lightning), and allow the caster to fly be possible (albeit at a higher level)? Because from what I'm understanding, such a spell would (under the current rules) create the winds and deal the damage to the targets, and then imbue those same targets with the ability to fly.
Is that understandable?
(I realize it is a danger, but before there is an argument about subverting the action economy, there are legacy spells that allow the caster to fly and shoot lightning bolts at the same time, not to mention simpler spells such as vampiric touch. More bang for my turn is not what is being sought...)
It's actually thoughts like this that make me cringe at the new system. It just doesn't make any sense for me that you could be casting a fireball and healing spell in the same spell. If you are essentially casting 2 different spells you should have separate targets. But having 1 spell do multiple vastly different things seems silly to me.
It just doesn't make any sense for me that you could be casting a fireball and healing spell in the same spell. If you are essentially casting 2 different spells you should have separate targets. But having 1 spell do multiple vastly different things seems silly to me.
The definition of vastly different is really determinative here.
I agree that casting a fireball and healing spell is nonsensical. But what about spells (and effects) that are more stream-lined logistically? Are there not legacy spells (for example the Druid's Vampiric sting) that deal damage to a target and then heal that much HP to the caster? There are also spells such as the druid spell Stormtower (I believe) which create what I was speaking of earlier, that is a wind wall-type barrier, the ability to fly for the caster, and the ability to do lightning damage to x targets.
The problem with remaining thematically similar lies in the fact that such a ruling would be near impossible to write into the rules. Where does the line exist between acceptable and unacceptable?
I like your other post suggesting one primary effect word with secondary effects being added to the mix (your example of a cone of cold also (I believe) slowing and reducing visibility). It's wonderful. But how would that affect the ability to do two different types of damage that exists as it is in the playtest? For example 10d6 fire and 10d6 lightning damage in a 60-ft line. (Of course the spell would be of a higher level, to suit the new damage capabilities.)
I would suggest then the addition of the third "wackier" abilities, but perhaps not necessarily limiting the capabilities that are already in place.
Yes, it is essentially casting 2 different spells. But Meteor Swarm is essentially casting two fireballs.
For the reasons mentioned above, I respectfully concur in part and dissent in part.
Might be interesting to add a system where you can give each spell multiple target words, just like you can give them multiple effect words. You'd pay extra for the additional targets and get to pick any of the spell's targets to apply to each effect.