Just remembered one:
Player stealing other players' character concepts to use in the very game said player planned to use it in. I'm not one to get huffy about someone taking someone else's concept as inspiration for use in another game(considering how many PbP characters here I've retrofitted as followers for the guys taking Leadership in my games...), but when you're beaten to the punch by someone in the same game using the concept he swiped from you? Bad form.
This happened to me. I was not amused.
Things I really hate (player quotes):
- Oh? Were we supposed to do the level up during the week?
This...grrr!
I set up a website specifically so that my players could access XP information between sessions and show up prepared.
Also, along the same lines. I hate it when players ask me for expereince points right after the session ends!
I have exactly the same kind of website for my players accessible....funnily it's always the same guy who pretends not to know how many xps make which level...
Has anyone ever had to deal with the player who hits on another player, but does it through thier characters? Yeech!
Ha, one of my most uncomfortable gaming experiences was one of these. A macho ex-marine type somehow figured that he could show me how "gay friendly" he is by having his female character come onto my male wizard during a game.
It doesn't help that I hated the guy. God, it makes me itch even thinking about it.
Things I really hate (player quotes):
- Oh? Were we supposed to do the level up during the week?
This...grrr!
I set up a website specifically so that my players could access XP information between sessions and show up prepared.
No kidding. I'm a mean DM. My rule is that if your character sheet isn't updated and ready for me to review at the start of play then you have to wait until the next session to level up. No updating stuff at the last minute and slowing things down for everyone else.
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Has anyone ever had to deal with the player who hits on another player, but does it through thier characters? Yeech!Ha, one of my most uncomfortable gaming experiences was one of these. A macho ex-marine type somehow figured that he could show me how "gay friendly" he is by having his female character come onto my male wizard during a game.
lol... So roleplaying a straight relationship makes you gay friendly... erm... lol
lol... So roleplaying a straight relationship makes you gay friendly... erm... lolHas anyone ever had to deal with the player who hits on another player, but does it through thier characters? Yeech!Ha, one of my most uncomfortable gaming experiences was one of these. A macho ex-marine type somehow figured that he could show me how "gay friendly" he is by having his female character come onto my male wizard during a game.
It depends. Was this LARPing? ;-)
It depends. Was this LARPing? ;-)lol... So roleplaying a straight relationship makes you gay friendly... erm... lolHas anyone ever had to deal with the player who hits on another player, but does it through thier characters? Yeech!Ha, one of my most uncomfortable gaming experiences was one of these. A macho ex-marine type somehow figured that he could show me how "gay friendly" he is by having his female character come onto my male wizard during a game.
Haha, no, no, and no. It was just awkwardness all around. <groan>
No kidding. I'm a mean DM. My rule is that if your character sheet isn't updated and ready for me to review at the start of play then you have to wait until the next session to level up. No updating stuff at the last minute and slowing things down for everyone else.Things I really hate (player quotes):
- Oh? Were we supposed to do the level up during the week?
This...grrr!
I set up a website specifically so that my players could access XP information between sessions and show up prepared.
There is a guy that I KNOW is going to show up unprepared next session. He is the type that picks a pet spell and casts it over and over and then pretends that he is actually helping the party. Last session he had received some temporary ability score damage and said "Wow, this sucks, who can heal this." You can! You are a Druid!
Anyway, when he comes unprepared I just plan on ignoring his leveling questions in front of the whole group. Like he's not even there. I have also thought about designing individual encounters that are not so challenging that you are in any real danger unless you absolutely do not know how to play your class, just to teach him a lesson.
Getting back to called shots, which I think every GM has to endure arguments over at least from time-to-time, it's important to include in your argument with the player that not only does the game use critical hits on the assumption that you're always going for the most vulnerable area, it also simulates those aforementioned snipers in Iraq by allowing you feats and weapons that improve your critical range and ability to confirm.
In other words, if they want the effect of a "called shot," they can do with their characters just what real-life snipers do: practice and specialize.
The thought of using up a feat on this sort of thing is not a big deal to me. To me, it sounds like a sound investment. But it tends to be an abstract to the average player, who tends to look for a more immediate effect with bigger bang. But at least bringing it up tends to quell the argument.
Has anyone ever had to deal with the player who hits on another player, but does it through thier characters? Yeech!
I happen to have been lucky (unlucky?) enough to have had one player, whom I gamed with for a number of years, who was the most disruptive player on the face of the earth. On the off chance that somebody here recognizes my screen name from another company's forum, they may remember me telling of The King of All Disruptive Players (TKoADP).
The King practically invented the art of hitting on other players through their characters. Though some of us had extensive experience gaming with females, he apparently never had, and the advent of two women in our game sent him through the roof.
Previous to this, he had used his characters to not only violate nearly every female NPC he encountered, but also to constantly fondle and hit upon every rare female PC one of us fellows took on. This while at the same time shrieking out his dismay and confusion as to why a guy might play a female character. I don't know, which is weirder: me playing a female, or him complaining about me playing a female while grabbing my character's butt?
Anyway, after my wife and a female coworker joined the game, he really went loony. Because my wife is my wife, his focus went more directly to the other female, whose character he was constantly trying to disrobe, grab, fondle, you name it. The innuendos flew, and really it was the most embarrassing fiasco. Thankfully, my coworker took it well, remained my friend and continued gaming with us even after the King was gone.
As to my wife, he came close to hitting on her character a few times, but really he reserved more ire for her, attacking her with his dwarf fighter at the least provocation.
Huh... taken altogether, there's a weird dynamic there, with him hitting on my female characters, then taking aggression out on my wife. Paging Dr. Freud!
Players who keep trolling to get other players into an out-of-game social/political debate.
Related is twisting everything in a fantasy game to a real-world analogue.
+1 billion.
it's over one BILLIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!
i go nuts when players make endless pop-culture references.
like i just did.
Player: My new Cayden Cailean priest wields a whip.
Me: Umm, whips are symbols of slavery you know - maybe thats not so Caydenish...
Player: I looked it up in the rules, ist not prohibited, so you must be wrong.
argh!
Just have everyone mistake him for a Calistrian. She has a whip for a favored weapon.
Mmmmm! Saucy!
p.s one of my favourites:Player: My new Cayden Cailean priest wields a whip.
Me: Umm, whips are symbols of slavery you know - maybe thats not so Caydenish...
Player: I looked it up in the rules, ist not prohibited, so you must be wrong.
argh!
I want to quote this. Not because I agree with him, but quite the opposite. If he was DM, let's copy and paste it to that thread too.
As a DM i don't have a huge list of pet peeves, but my biggest is not paying attention when I'm talking. That would really sum it up in my mind! Its not easy being a DM so I really would like you pay attention when I'm addressing the group.
Other than that I think its always a balance of learning each other's play styles and finding harmony.
One of my most fun players for 5 years was someone who was always "messing up his math" and rolling hard to read dice, as well as after 5 years couldn't figure his attack bonus!
However, whenever we got him away from the numbers, made him roleplay and not try to cheat, he had some of the most amusing and interesting characters!
What it really boiled down to was he sucked at strategic thinking and so he felt that he needed to cheat his numbers to keep up in the group. This never changed, but our group learned how to encourage him to play to his strengths and we often had lots of fun and laughs.
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1) No call/no show
2) excessive rules lawyering
3) laptops
4) smart phones
5) not knowing what their spells/abilities do
6) telling other players what to do
7) hiding die rolls
8) whining
9) dithering
10) flirting with someone else's mate
11) being too drunk
12) peeing on my toilet seat and not cleaning it up
One of my most fun players for 5 years was someone who was always "messing up his math" and rolling hard to read dice, as well as after 5 years couldn't figure his attack bonus!
That's nothing. In this thread, the original poster mentioned a player who had been playing D&D for 30 years (on and off) and who still wasn't sure what die to roll when attacking.
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I really hate it when I player has a PC that is of a different sex then they are.
Kinda off topic but also kinda on topic. I had this DM once who always had his pet rogue NPC along with our party and he always played favorite when the attack and saves went toward his rogue(example his rogue was doing something stupid and since he was a NPC I decided to cast dominate person on him. DC 25 and this 12 level rogue made his save three times in a row)
I really hate it when I player has a PC that is of a different sex then they are.
Think you are in a minority there :p Do you hate it as well when humans play dwarves and elves too?
I really hate it when I player has a PC that is of a different sex then they are.Think you are in a minority there :p Do you hate it as well when humans play dwarves and elves too?
He probably is in minority, but that shouldn't stop him from posting what drives him nuts.
I have to admit that I'm not indifferent to cross-gender characters myself. I'm not opposed to it, nor does it drives me absolutely insane. But there is an irrational discomfort associated to it. The same goes when a (strait) player announces that he's playing a gay character.
I work in the Theatre world. Cross-gender casting is a common reality. I also work with gays and lesbians on a daily basis, without any discomfort. I don't quite understand why it bothers me around the game table. The improvisational aspect perhaps? The male/female/gay/lesbian stereotypes that are often used to create such characters? Or is it the "play-your-fantasies" aspect of creating a RPG character? Perhaps I'm just reading too much into it...
(incidentally, I find it similarly disquieting when a player insist on playing an Evil character.)
The comparison with fantastic races isn't really the same. If I had real Elven or Gnomish friends in R-L, perhaps it would bother me when a human played an elf or a gnome...
'findel
Been reading lots of threads of things players do to make you crazy. Thought I would add one of my own just to vent a bit. Please comment and add your own.
I absolutely hate it when players argue the laws of physics with me. Not rules-lawyering, which I can at least respect but it sends me into a murderous rage when I get into an argument with a player who is clearly trying to go outside of the rules to gain an advantage.
For instance...called shots (even though they do not exist in pathfinder). We have all had that player who says "I take steady aim and shoot him in the eye," and argues with you when you don't award him a critical for telling you where he aims. And does not understand that the rules compensate for called-shots by assuming that you are always aiming for the area that is most vulnerable.
Player: "But what about snipers in Iraq? They shoot people in the head all the time."
DM: "Apart from the fact that they are using high powered sniper rifles, the average level one warrior has about 10 hit points so, logically speaking they would usually die in the first hit."
Player: "But what about a dragon. It's so big. It's eye is like huge. You should be able to just shoot it's eye, the rules suck."
DM: "Well, by that rationale then the dragon could just land on you since it is faster than you and it is too big for you to run out from under it."
Player: "I could shoot it in the eye as it's coming down."
DM: "Ok here is a perfect example. See this golf ball? I am aiming at your head (throws) but I don't always hit it since you are shielding your face with your arms and moving your head around. Some hit (throws another) your sternum, or (throws another) your neck....
I've run to simliar problems. But my biggest is the some players like to kill everyone in the game not just the villains, barmaids,storekeeps,hirlings you know people who might give plots clues. Then theres one member of the party who creates a character wether it be a elf or dwarf I ask whats his name? player says Mr. Elf or Joe Black he wont even come up with a fanatasy name or anything.
I work in the Theatre world. Cross-gender casting is a common reality. I also work with gays and lesbians on a daily basis, without any discomfort.
The comparison with fantastic races isn't really the same. If I had real Elven or Gnomish friends in R-L, perhaps it would bother me when a human played an elf or a gnome...
Yes I'm quite surprised too; that you can handle acting in one area, yet the same thing done around a table becomes problematic...!? That does seem odd.
O the second point then, whati if I'm a white guy playing a black guy then? or how about an Asian playing a caucasian? Or are we supposed to be restricted to just playing 'a slightly cooler version of ourselves'?
I work in the Theatre world. Cross-gender casting is a common reality. I also work with gays and lesbians on a daily basis, without any discomfort.Yes I'm quite surprised too; that you can handle acting in one area, yet the same thing done around a table becomes problematic...!? That does seem odd.
If you allow me a slight tangent here, I will attempt to dispel a certain myth: that theatre and R-P are closely related. They seem similar because both involve incarnating a role, but that's where the similitude ends.
Acting and R-Ping *may* be mutually beneficial, but they are based on different sets of skills and interests. Actors don't necessarily make good roleplayers, and most roleplayers make lousy actors.
Theatre is about playing a role, but one that is imposed; the character exists as a separate entity than the actor. Most RPG players don't like to be told how to play their character. In theatre, you only act as being told, or I should say, as directed.
In theatre, the character has a life of its own which the actor must bring out. In RPG, the players has a life/fantasy of its own that is brought through its character. A subtle difference that makes the world of RPG and acting much farther apart than they appear to be.
Not so surprisingly, RPG is much closer to writing than acting. Many of the best directors and play-writers I happen to know personally are/have been active roleplayers. In essence, "projecting yourself in somebody else's skin" is the only similarity between the two worth mentioning. Theatre - just like RPG - is much more than that.
On the second point then, what if I'm a white guy playing a black guy then? or how about an Asian playing a caucasian? Or are we supposed to be restricted to just playing 'a slightly cooler version of ourselves'?
Again, at the risk of appearing like a sexist/racist/prejudiced person, it will take me a lot of roleplaying "skills" to convince me - and appease me - because I'm likely to start with a negative feeling about it.
To be honest, races cause me less reactions because while the game offers different human races, they are usually only (and very often loosely) inspired from R-L ethnicity. Most of the time, the connection is far-stretched at best, so it belongs to realm of abstraction, which I accept easily. Should you play a black fighter with a strong Chicago ghetto feel, it will start to "upset" me. A New-Yorkish black drag-queen is also likely to trigger some standoffish reaction from me as well. Yet, I won't have an issue if the player himself is a black gay guy living in New-York as a drag-queen.
Perhaps this is why cross-gender characters bug me a bit more: being a female in Golarion/(other setting) isn't an abstraction of femininity - it's attempting to play the real thing.
Its not about prejudice, its about respect (or lack thereof) for the "real" people.
Now I'm the first to admit that all this discomfort is irrational and that I'm probably reading way too much into all of this; but to a certain extent, I can relate to those that are annoyed by cross-gender roles without brandishing them as heretics.
For the records, I played with several players having cross-gender characters and a few managed to convince me that it was worthwhile, motivated and respectful.
'findel
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Discomfort along those lines is easy to see considering how often horrible stereotypes get trotted out by some players wanting to play another gender, sexuality, or ethnicity.
Rather than building their character as a person, the characterization falls on those easy shorthand stereotypes to give the character a personality. It could be anything from lazy characterization to malicious trolling.
(funny enough, I'd like to think that my black lesbian full-Paragon Mass Effect character would buck all three of those trends)
I would like to address the Cross-Gender topic, but don't want to derail this one :)
Suffice to say, to each his own. Well, as long as the player is not just being a vulgar adolescent...
:D
GNOME
If you allow me a slight tangent here, I will attempt to dispel a certain myth: that theatre and R-P are closely related. They seem similar because both involve incarnating a role, but that's where the similitude ends.
I disagree totally, I've been a hobbyist roleplayer for almost three decades, and strangely enough have also got a background in theatre as well - obtaining scholarships to attend one of our peak theatrical schools through high school, and am still a 'stage performer' of sorts.
Of course, things like Theatresports and improv training is much better for being a roleplayer than a classical 'script reader', but I fail to see how one is not assisting the other. Exposure to such a diverse range of characters and their interests and motivation can't but help fuel insight and inspiration to the gaming table.
Take a good actor and let them loose on a LARP or 'Freeform' event and they postivley radiate.
Have you ever played a Fighter character? Are YOU a Fighter? What about a Wizard? I just find it hard that you are happy with someone to play one set of characteristics completely divorced from their day to day reality, but baulk at a certain couple that aren't as far fetched.
We know men and women, we know different races and cultures - yet I know nothing of being an Elf and a Sorceror - but thats cool as long as I play a white male elven sorceror... but not a female one...or a hispanic one...
A douche is still going to be a douche regardless of whats written in the sex/race/enthnicity box of their character sheet. Don't ban diversity, ban douchebag players.
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If you allow me a slight tangent here, I will attempt to dispel a certain myth: that theatre and R-P are closely related. They seem similar because both involve incarnating a role, but that's where the similitude ends.I disagree totally, I've been a hobbyist roleplayer for almost three decades, and strangely enough have also got a background in theatre as well - obtaining scholarships to attend one of our peak theatrical schools through high school, and am still a 'stage performer' of sorts.
Of course, things like Theatresports and improv training is much better for being a roleplayer than a classical 'script reader', but I fail to see how one is not assisting the other. Exposure to such a diverse range of characters and their interests and motivation can't but help fuel insight and inspiration to the gaming table.
Take a good actor and let them loose on a LARP or 'Freeform' event and they postivley radiate.
Have you ever played a Fighter character? Are YOU a Fighter? What about a Wizard? I just find it hard that you are happy with someone to play one set of characteristics completely divorced from their day to day reality, but baulk at a certain couple that aren't as far fetched.
We know men and women, we know different races and cultures - yet I know nothing of being an Elf and a Sorceror - but thats cool as long as I play a white male elven sorceror... but not a female one...or a hispanic one...A douche is still going to be a douche regardless of whats written in the sex/race/enthnicity box of their character sheet. Don't ban diversity, ban douchebag players.
Tell you what, bro. I'll gather up my black lesbian friends (and I have more than a few) and have them sit in at your table. They can critique your portrayal. Diversity is having a black lesbian (or a Hispanic transgendered person, or a Chinese dude or whatever) sitting at your table. Not having a bunch of white guys play them at the table.
Tell you what, bro. I'll gather up my black lesbian friends (and I have more than a few) and have them sit in at your table. They can critique your portrayal. Diversity is having a black lesbian (or a Hispanic transgendered person, or a Chinese dude or whatever) sitting at your table. Not having a bunch of white guys play them at the table.
I've had transsexuals, cross dressers, lesbians, gays, polyamorous couples, guy, girls, questionables and a wide range of nationalities of all races at my various tables including quite different religions, we only had one vocal incident of 'Israel v Palestine', and the Indian/Kashmir/Pakistan relations caused a debate as well
... as it is we have a multi racial table at my current group too, dont mention Greece and Macedonia or their history with Turkey, in fact I cant even name the time in almost 30 years where we have only had a table of white guys. So I take your point, but we are already living the dream - the joys of living in a highly multicultural country that has a fairly open mind (in general) to gay issues, and support for minorities.|
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Tell you what, bro. I'll gather up my black lesbian friends (and I have more than a few) and have them sit in at your table. They can critique your portrayal. Diversity is having a black lesbian (or a Hispanic transgendered person, or a Chinese dude or whatever) sitting at your table. Not having a bunch of white guys play them at the table.I've had transsexuals, cross dressers, lesbians, gays, polyamorous couples, guy, girls, questionables and a wide range of nationalities of all races at my various tables including quite different religions, we only had one vocal incident of 'Israel v Palestine', and the Indian/Kashmir/Pakistan relations caused a debate as well
... as it is we have a multi racial table at my current group too, dont mention Greece and Macedonia or their history with Turkey, in fact I cant even name the time in almost 30 years where we have only had a table of white guys. So I take your point, but we are already living the dream.
Right on :)
I apologize for generalizing, but I think you and I are much more the exception than the rule.
Right on :)
I apologize for generalizing, but I think you and I are much more the exception than the rule.
I think you'd like this country, we are pretty welcoming :)
(in fairness, I know where you are coming from, I have met a few people over the years who roll up some wood elf maiden who is a complete tart bag so they can live out their lurid fantasies about wood elf chicks touching themselves)
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I think you'd like this country, we are pretty welcoming :)
Right on :)
I apologize for generalizing, but I think you and I are much more the exception than the rule.
I haven't been too many places I didn't like (California and Indonesia are the only two that stand out), so you're probably right. I need to get over your way some time, the Americas (North, South and island nations) and parts of Asia being the only foreign travel I've done.
;-)
California and Indonesia are the only two that stand out
;-)
Indo was a blast!, have been there heaps and it has almost always been a winner - the exceptions were when I got suckered by people who wanted to cruise the tourist areas of Bali or Jakarta and completely missed the point of what we SHOULD have been doing/seeing.
I've been through most of Asia and the Pacific, travelled through the UK (Eng/Scot/Wales/Ire) and loved the places, across the US (loved pre-Katrina New Orleans - but was surprised by the racial overtones) Mexico, and Canada. It's an awesome world we live in, and the more I see the more hope I have for us all :)
One day I'll take on mainland Europe, but I think Korea and the UK are 2011 trips.
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California and Indonesia are the only two that stand out
;-)
Indo was a blast!, have been there heaps and it has almost always been a winner - the exceptions were when I got suckered by people who wanted to cruise the tourist areas of Bali or Jakarta and completely missed the point of what we SHOULD have been doing/seeing.
I've been through most of Asia and the Pacific, travelled through the UK (Eng/Scot/Wales/Ire) and loved the places, across the US (loved pre-Katrina New Orleans - but was surprised by the racial overtones) Mexico, and Canada. It's an awesome world we live in, and the more I see the more hope I have for us all :)
One day I'll take on mainland Europe, but I think Korea and the UK are 2011 trips.
When I went to Jakarta, I was with my ex, who was ethnic Chinese minority, raised Christian (but shared my non-belief) and her father wouldn't let her go anywhere without a couple of goons to protect her from nutjobs. I felt trapped the entire time I was there (this was shortly after the umpteenth Christian schoolgirl murder that year). Plus, I didn't find the locals very friendly (probably because of racism against my ex) at all.
I only went that once, so my experience was obviously limited.
California is just...California. *shrug*
"Jakarta?"
"No, she went by boat."
badump-TISH!
-The Gneech
I disagree totally, I've been a hobbyist roleplayer for almost three decades, and strangely enough have also got a background in theatre as well - obtaining scholarships to attend one of our peak theatrical schools through high school, and am still a 'stage performer' of sorts.
If you allow me a slight tangent here, I will attempt to dispel a certain myth: that theatre and R-P are closely related. They seem similar because both involve incarnating a role, but that's where the similitude ends.
Don't get me wrong, there are many who can consolidate acting and RPGs, but no more than, for example, accounting and RPG. Pathfinder as as much to do with juggling with numbers and finding statistical strategies than role-play after all. That doesn't make accountants necessarily more "natural" at RPG.
At college level, you'll see a significant amount of drama kids involved in RPGs; that's part of the analysis and experimentation of acting (and university life in general) because the activities looke similar. But invariably, they'll find-out that the two have more differences than similarities and will choose one over the other, often (but not always) to the total abandon of their least favorite "discipline". Many of the best roleplayers I know are Drama dropouts. Most of the professional actors I know have never been so interested in picking-up a sword and swinging at goblins in the first place.
As with anything there are exceptions, but the proportion of actors in RPG isn't greater than any other profession.
'findel
Wow, so this thread derailed pretty damn fast. :D
On the topic of discomfort when dealing with real world analogues, I've something to add. I'm a gay, white, middle class guy. When I create new characters I almost always create one different from myself- after all, isn't that part of the fun of roleplaying? I've had my hand at playing a woman, and I only ever seem to be able to really get into character when playing online (play by post). In person I feel like a fraud. :D
As far as ethnicity & sexuality goes I don't see the point. If I'm playing a human I probably won't be white. After all, most fantasy ethnicities don't correlate to real world equivalents, so it's not like I can even be racist or disrespectful without actively trying. Also, I'm an artist, and it's more fun to draw characters with a wider variety of style (including skin tone/features). Honestly, I'm usually thinking about that more than I am anything else.
And as far as sexuality goes, who cares? My characters are usually straight. I'm curious if that would bother people I play with, actually. I figure that as long as you're not bouncing around as a flippant waif or a womanizing macho and actively disrespecting the gender/sexuality/race that you're portraying, who cares?
If anything, I see it as an opportunity to build a better understanding of something you aren't affiliated with in the real world.
Huh, really? When you RP you play out a fantasy/life of your player?
That's not a style of RP I'm familiar with at all, to be honest. As for myself, and those I RP with (based on our discussions, it's possible they've been misleading me, but I've got no reason to suspect as much,) when we roleplay, we're playing a role. The character exists as a separate entity from the player, and the player 'gets into character.'
When I RP? You can pretty much forget about 'Luke' because you won't see my own personality at the table unless I'm directly addressed by name. When I step onto the stage, it's the character's time to do what he does, Luke is more of a vessel than an operator.
Alright, I promise I'll close this derailment that I caused right after this :)
In RPG, your character isn't part of a script. In the hand of another player, chances are that it will change. In a RPG, The DM isn't there to tell you *how* to play it, and to repeat the scene over and over again until you "get it right".
In RPG, the character evolves as you play along. In theatre, the character evolves only during its writing process. Once the actor receives the text, it has stopped evolving. Different directors may alter it further (they usually do as a matter of fact) and off course, individual actors will give them a particular colour or flavour; but the theatrical character is fleshed more by the play-writer and the director than the actor. That's not a very well-known reality because the actor is the "public face" of that character and therefore the two are closely associated from the public.
The main similarity is how actors and roleplayers both assume a "different self" for a little while. But the techniques and tools to achieve both "states" are rather different. It takes different interests (although one can be interested in both) to succeed in RPG and as an actor.
I should have known that this statement would meet resistance here; but there it is. To put it D&D terms, Acting is more than one skill and they derive from more than one stat. Nothing prevents all of them to be "maxed-out", and they probably synergize. But being good in one acting skill does not necessarily warranty success in the others.
/derail
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(...) As far as ethnicity & sexuality goes I don't see the point. If I'm playing a human I probably won't be white. After all, most fantasy ethnicities don't correlate to real world equivalents, so it's not like I can even be racist or disrespectful without actively trying. (...)
Whether people have "issues" with it or not, the fact that ethnicities don't correlate to real world equivalents, but sexuality does, makes a big difference between sexuality and ethnicity in RPG.
This has taken much bigger proportion than I originally meant, but the fact is, I find that people who *cannot* conceive that a player can play a cross-gender character are just as close-minded as those who *cannot* understand that someone else might be uncomfortable with it.
Its a matter of respect, in either ways.
'findel
I was with my ex, who was ethnic Chinese minority,
Ok I can see where this would not have been a great turn out for a holiday. The racism gets pretty bad there at times.
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I have three huge hates.
Number one is the one I'm most up in arms about. The one guy who everyone loves, the Helpful Guy who is awesome, but likes to bring this girl who hates RPG's to game with us. After about half an hour, she pouts and says something like "So... what are we gonna do now? This D&D is sooooooo boooooring!" and then starts talking about how she does all these illegal drugs and starts hitting on EVERYONE out of boredom, trying for attention. And then derails the whole group because she's cute and busty. This dude is kind of the heart and soul of the group, but his bringing of her is becoming the biggest threat to our cohesiveness, making the group unhealthy. I tried to talk to him about it, but he just got defensive. I don't know what to do, it's not like they're dating.
Number two is actually our GM's lack of appreciation for Pathfinder rules being independent of D&D 3.5 and will argue "That spell does NOT do that!" or "That's not how XYZ maneuver works." Then, we try to show him the book, and he acts surprised that Pathfinder is different.
Number three is derailed sessions in general. Like, we'll take a smoke break for the smokers, but instead of ten minutes, the non-smokers will start up a video game and want to play longer instead of playing the tabletop we started. Or, I'll get up (as the hostess) to prepare some food for everyone, but they all take is as if we're done and start talking about parties or something that isn't gaming related.
Or, I'll get up (as the hostess) to prepare some food for everyone,
You can game with us ANY TIME.
Been reading lots of threads of things players do to make you crazy. Thought I would add one of my own just to vent a bit. Please comment and add your own.
I absolutely hate it when players argue the laws of physics with me. Not rules-lawyering, which I can at least respect but it sends me into a murderous rage when I get into an argument with a player who is clearly trying to go outside of the rules to gain an advantage.
Yeh, the laws of physics have no place in my games. I make that clear when a new player joins the group.
I personally hate it when players are on the phone, or the laptop, or drawing while playing. I also have a dread dislike of the "I wish I was an actor" types who speak in bad accents and think they are the show.
Oh, yeh, and the "I MUST ALWAYS PLAY AGAINST TYPE" crowd. You know the ones - orc duelists, illithid barbarians, and 90% of good drow.
After another session, I want to say players playing with their significant other.
After another session, I want to say players playing with their significant other.
Meh. It's ok when the SO in question actually cares about the game. When they are just there to spend time with their boyfriend/girlfriend, it becomes a problem because they become a distraction.
Can't remember if it's been brought up already(I probably said it), but when a player goes out of their way to split off from the group, tries to have their own personal campaign while the rest of the group do the actual adventure at hand, and then they get mad when they miss out on the loot.
Having their character simply take care of something in-game isn't that big of a deal if it's fairly quick to do, but when they spend entire game sessions away from the group and "just doing their own thing", it drives me absolutely nuts. I didn't sign on as a DM to juggle multiple campaigns at once. I swear I'm going to just start killing off PC's that linger away from the party too long.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, I am a player in a game with TWO of this kind of player. The DM is showing much more restraint than I would. Fun times.
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I have a player who always has a "plan". The "plan" cannot be changed in any way, or he will sulk and throw a hissy fit.
Example: He wants to make a fighter with some abyssal feats. Cool idea, nothing wrong with it at all. The fighter finds a +1 spear, so now he sees said fighter as a polearm wielding Spartan. Okay, his damage is suboptimal, but he's still helping with combat maneuvers and tanking.
Then they fought something with DR, and the fighter couldn't damage it. He proceeded to sulk, and when a player pointed out that he was tripping/disarming the creature easily and helping, he yelled at that player and continued to sulk.
In another game, his character was faced with having to atone for killing guards who were not evil. He instead accused all of his friends of conspiring against him for 7 years to trick him into believing the alignment system was wrong (which was before we had all met one another), and then quit the character, stating he was making an enchanter to get back at the other players.