Range Penalty


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Hi, I´m kind of new to Pathfinder, and I have a question. In the bonus for "range weapon", there is a "Range Penalty", but I cant seem to find it anywhere in the book. How does it apply?

Sorry about my english and thank you very much!


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Each weapon has a range increment. For every range increment beyond the first, you take a -2.

Early in the equipment section, there it lists qualities of weapons. Under Range:

srd wrote:
Range: Any attack at more than this distance is penalized for range. Beyond this range, the attack takes a cumulative –2 penalty for each full range increment (or fraction thereof) of distance to the target. For example, a dagger (with a range of 10 feet) thrown at a target that is 25 feet away would incur a –4 penalty. A thrown weapon has a maximum range of five range increments. A projectile weapon can shoot to 10 range increments.


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-2 to hit for each range increment. Maximum range is 10 increments for projectile, 5 for thrown.

If your projectile weapon has a range increment of 60 feet...
5-60 feet: no penalty
65-120 feet: -2
125-180 feet: -4
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545-600 feet: -18
past 600 feet: out of range

If your thrown weapon has a range increment of 20 feet...
5-20 feet: no penalty
25-40 feet: -2
45-60 feet: -4
65-80 feet: -6
85-100 feet: -8
past 100 feet: out of range


Caineach wrote:

Each weapon has a range increment. For every range increment beyond the first, you take a -2.

Early in the equipment section, there it lists qualities of weapons. Under Range:

srd wrote:
Range: Any attack at more than this distance is penalized for range. Beyond this range, the attack takes a cumulative –2 penalty for each full range increment (or fraction thereof) of distance to the target. For example, a dagger (with a range of 10 feet) thrown at a target that is 25 feet away would incur a –4 penalty. A thrown weapon has a maximum range of five range increments. A projectile weapon can shoot to 10 range increments.

Thank you very much!


Also remember that projectiles have a max range of 10 range increments and thrown weapons a max range of 5 range increments.

Liberty's Edge

How about the range penalties when you shoot a bow really close? Do you get a penalty for shooting someone within, say, 10 or 5 feet? I read that you get a -4 if you shoot at an enemy that is engaged in melee with an ally but shooting someone point blank in melee when no allies are around doesn't give penalties?

It's just that logically it sounds rather silly to use bow within 5 feet and extremely difficult compared to a sword but sometimes someone might surprise around a corner and such.

Grand Lodge

Holy three year old Necro Batman!


IT'S ALIVE!!!


Henkkaart wrote:

How about the range penalties when you shoot a bow really close? Do you get a penalty for shooting someone within, say, 10 or 5 feet? I read that you get a -4 if you shoot at an enemy that is engaged in melee with an ally but shooting someone point blank in melee when no allies are around doesn't give penalties?

It's just that logically it sounds rather silly to use bow within 5 feet and extremely difficult compared to a sword but sometimes someone might surprise around a corner and such.

Necro antics aside, there is no minimum range penalty. Shoot that goblin 10' away from you with no problems.

If you shoot from a threatened square such as 5' away from most creatures, you'll draw an attack of opportunity, however.

Grand Lodge

Indeed.

Nobody says "Gee, it's really hard to shoot this guy 5ft away, maybe I should move farther away to get a better shot."


Well, actually, with the AoO it is easier if you 5' step back and then fire... Technically.

Maybe not easier... Certainly it's less trouble.

Liberty's Edge

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Indeed.

Nobody says "Gee, it's really hard to shoot this guy 5ft away, maybe I should move farther away to get a better shot."

It's just if you think it in the real world (I know, I know, real world stuff should mostly be left at the door in these things but just for an example's sake) a person doing their thing with a bow from a few feet would probably get hit in the face with a sword before they managed to hit their enemy if they were in melee combat (unless they were Legolas or similar fantastically skilled archer).

But thanks for the answers, I think I got it now. And for the living dead thread: I was searching with Google and this came up; didn't feel necessary to start a new thread for a question that was basically a follow-up for the original.

Cheers.


Henkkaart wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Indeed.

Nobody says "Gee, it's really hard to shoot this guy 5ft away, maybe I should move farther away to get a better shot."

It's just if you think it in the real world (I know, I know, real world stuff should mostly be left at the door in these things but just for an example's sake) a person doing their thing with a bow from a few feet would probably get hit in the face with a sword before they managed to hit their enemy if they were in melee combat (unless they were Legolas or similar fantastically skilled archer).

Which is exactly what the Attack of Opportunity the enemy can take when you fire an arrow within reach of them tries to replicate.

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