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The first amendment will always protect your right to say what you will, but one should always be mindful that ones right to free speech usually ends about 3.5 inches away from the tip of the nose from those who disagree with what you are saying.
Thats an interesting statement. Does the first Amendment extend to Non-citizens (Foreigners and hostages held in US occupied Cuba)? If yes why dont we all have voting Rights in the USA?

Freehold DM |

Freehold DM wrote:The first amendment will always protect your right to say what you will, but one should always be mindful that ones right to free speech usually ends about 3.5 inches away from the tip of the nose from those who disagree with what you are saying.Thats an interesting statement. Does the first Amendment extend to Non-citizens (Foreigners and hostages held in US occupied Cuba)? If yes why dont we all have voting Rights in the USA?
There are limits on the 1st Amendment. I'm not sure where they are, but there are limits.

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yellowdingo wrote:There are limits on the 1st Amendment. I'm not sure where they are, but there are limits.Freehold DM wrote:The first amendment will always protect your right to say what you will, but one should always be mindful that ones right to free speech usually ends about 3.5 inches away from the tip of the nose from those who disagree with what you are saying.Thats an interesting statement. Does the first Amendment extend to Non-citizens (Foreigners and hostages held in US occupied Cuba)? If yes why dont we all have voting Rights in the USA?
If there were limits I couldnt publish your secrets without being assassianated...

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There are limits on the 1st Amendment. I'm not sure where they are, but there are limits.
I'm not a legal scholar, but my understanding is that the rights enumerated in the Constitution only extend so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. In other words, you're free to say whatever you want about the government, but you cannot make unwanted sexual advances towards a fellow co-worker. You can own a gun, but you can't go across the street and shoot your neighbor with it because you don't like his rose garden.
Does the first Amendment extend to Non-citizens (Foreigners and hostages held in US occupied Cuba)? If yes why dont we all have voting Rights in the USA?
Although the First Amendment is based on the premise that all people have certain inalienable rights to freedom of speech, the rights laid out in the United States Constitution do not legally protect citizens of other countries, which is why non-citizens do not have the right to vote in U.S. elections. Prisoners of war, however, are granted certain rights under the Geneva Conventions.

The Crimson Jester, Rogue Lord |

Freehold DM wrote:There are limits on the 1st Amendment. I'm not sure where they are, but there are limits.I'm not a legal scholar, but my understanding is that the rights enumerated in the Constitution only extend so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. In other words, you're free to say whatever you want about the government, but you cannot make unwanted sexual advances towards a fellow co-worker. You can own a gun, but you can't go across the street and shoot your neighbor with it because you don't like his rose garden.
Freehold DM wrote:Does the first Amendment extend to Non-citizens (Foreigners and hostages held in US occupied Cuba)? If yes why dont we all have voting Rights in the USA?Although the First Amendment is based on the premise that all people have certain inalienable rights to freedom of speech, the rights laid out in the United States Constitution do not legally protect citizens of other countries, which is why non-citizens do not have the right to vote in U.S. elections. Prisoners of war, however, are granted certain rights under the Geneva Conventions.
That about covers it. You can piss and moan about stuff you have no right to complain about but do not dare yell fire in a dark crowded room.

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The limit is 12 nautical miles. :)
If that were only the case - The Iranians and North Koreas would be smoking their own dope without US Presidential threats of Nuclear Strike.
Lets face facts. The US President can only Legitimatly criticise a foreign State if US Presidents are voted in by a Majority of the 6-7 billion people who live on Earth.
...and that was when I wrote a letter to the Washington Post suggesting that the US President should be elected by every Human on the face of the Earth...
More importantly it is the only way to test if the US President is the legitimate leader of the Democratic World. ;)

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yellowdingo wrote:Lets face facts. The US President can only Legitimatly criticise a foreign State if US Presidents are voted in by a Majority of the 6-7 billion people who live on Earth.The logic behind this statement is as poor as its spelling.
Correct Spelling is for people who care about accuracy. I'm surprised you focused on this rather than the Idea though. If Obama came out and Said the US President will be voted in at the Next election by a majority of the 6-7 billion people on Earth would you think 'Wow! We are a World Leader in Democracy! Let the bastards criticise the US now!' or would you be fearful of the Idea?

Steven Tindall |

Freehold DM wrote:The first amendment will always protect your right to say what you will, but one should always be mindful that ones right to free speech usually ends about 3.5 inches away from the tip of the nose from those who disagree with what you are saying.Thats an interesting statement. Does the first Amendment extend to Non-citizens (Foreigners and hostages held in US occupied Cuba)? If yes why dont we all have voting Rights in the USA?
Why would it extend to non-citizens?
Those foreigners and "hostages" are under the geneva convention not the us constitution. The constitutional protections shouldn't apply to illegal aliens either despit what the federal judges think. It's for U.S. citizens only! How much simpler does it need to be stated?
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yellowdingo wrote:Freehold DM wrote:The first amendment will always protect your right to say what you will, but one should always be mindful that ones right to free speech usually ends about 3.5 inches away from the tip of the nose from those who disagree with what you are saying.Thats an interesting statement. Does the first Amendment extend to Non-citizens (Foreigners and hostages held in US occupied Cuba)? If yes why dont we all have voting Rights in the USA?Why would it extend to non-citizens?
Those foreigners and "hostages" are under the geneva convention not the us constitution. The constitutional protections shouldn't apply to illegal aliens either despit what the federal judges think. It's for U.S. citizens only! How much simpler does it need to be stated?
It is as much the ambiguity of that that is important. If Federal Lawmakers think the Constitution applies to those Non Citizens - simply because the USA is prepared to 'govern them without representation in Parliament'. You dig your own grave.

NPC Dave |
Freehold DM wrote:The first amendment will always protect your right to say what you will, but one should always be mindful that ones right to free speech usually ends about 3.5 inches away from the tip of the nose from those who disagree with what you are saying.Thats an interesting statement. Does the first Amendment extend to Non-citizens (Foreigners and hostages held in US occupied Cuba)? If yes why dont we all have voting Rights in the USA?
Article 1
Section 4 - Elections, MeetingsThe Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations
The reason felons, non-citizens and children cannot vote is due to state laws.
Also note that the First Amendment has no clause which states it applies only to US citizens. Of course, the US government restricts free speech in many ways, so it is pointless to take a stand that non-citizens can't have their speech restricted when citizens do have their speech restricted.

A Man In Black RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32 |
This is an exceptionally idiotic thread.
The protections of the Bill of Rights apply to everyone they say they apply to, which is everyone who has cause to interact with the government of the United States unless specified otherwise.
Yes, the US government cannot pass a law restricting the freedom of speech. No, non-citizens, felons, etc. cannot vote because the Constitution allows for rules to be set on who can vote (with precedent set that all citizens have a right to vote).
The Constitution, and all other laws, apply to non-citizens resident in the US, despite the disenfranchised state of non-citizens. This is not unjust because non-citizen residents have the ability to gain citizenship, and are aware of the limitations when they emigrate. Non-citizen resident is a voluntary state of being.
Lets face facts. The US President can only Legitimatly criticise a foreign State if US Presidents are voted in by a Majority of the 6-7 billion people who live on Earth.
No, the US president can only legitimately rule a foreign state if he were elected its leader. He can criticize whosoever he wants. He can do so as a diplomatic mouthpiece for the US because he is the legitimate leader of the country, and he can do so as a citizen because he lives in a nation where free speech is a guaranteed right and thus it's legal to do so.
Are we done here?