APG Archetypes Mixing

[Paul Watson]

As I've been very bored lately, I've worked out which APG Archetyypes will mesh with each other on the classes. The details are spoilered as some of the classes have a LOT of synergistic archetypes

Barbarian: 10 combinations

Spoiler:

Brutal Pugilist + Drunken Brute
Drunken Brute + Elemental Kin
Drunken Brute + Invulnerable Rager
Drunken Brute + Savage Barbarian
Drunken Brute + Superstitious
Brutal Pugilist + Hurler
Hurler + Elemental Kin
Hurler + Invulnerable Rager
Hurler + Savage Barbarian
Hurler + Superstitious

Bard: None. All archetypes use the same features.

Cleric: None. No new Archetypes.

Druid: None. All archetypes replace the same features.

Fighter: None. All archetypes replace the same features.

Monk: 18 combinations.

Spoiler:

Drunken Master + Monk of the 4 Winds
Drunken Master + Monk of the Lotus
Drunken Master + Monk of the Sacred Mountain
Drunken Master + Weapon Adept
Drunken Master + Monk of the Four Winds + Monk of the Sacred Mountain
Hungry Ghost Monk + Monk of the Sacred Mountain
Ki Master + Monk of the 4 Winds
Ki Master + Monk of the Lotus
Ki Master + Monk of the Sacred Mountain
Ki Master + Weapon Adept
Ki Master + Monk of the 4 Winds + Monk of the Sacred Mountain
Monk of the Empty Hand + Monk of the 4 Winds
Monk of the Empty Hand + Monk of the Lotus
Monk of the Empty Hand + Monk of the Sacred Mountain
Monk of the Empty Hand + Weapon Adept
Monk of the Empty Hand + Monk of the 4 Winds + Monk of the Sacred Mountain
Monk of the 4 Winds + Monk of the Sacred Mountain
Monk of the Healing Hand + Monk of the Sacred Mountain

Paladin: 16 combinations
These assume that the Divine Defender's Armour Divine Bond is an option rather than a requirement so it can merge with Shining Knight and Sacred Servant's compulsory Divine Bonds.

They also assume that the Sacred Servant and Hospitaler's changes to Smite Evil are as identical as they appear, and that these cahgnes also stack with the changes for the Undead Scourge's Smite Evil.

Spoiler:

Divine Defender + Hospitaler
Divine Defener + Sacred Servant
Divine Defender + Shining Knight
Divine Defender + Undead Scourge
Divine Defender + Warrior of the Holy Light
Sacred Servant + Hospitaler
Hospitaler + Warrior of the Holy Light
Hospitaler + Sacred Servant + Warrior of the Holy Light
Hospitaler + Sacred Servant + Divine Defender
Hospitaler + Sacred Servant + Divine Defender + Warrior of the Holy Light
Sacred Servant + Warrior of the Holy Light
Sacred Servanrt + Divine Defender + Warrior of the Holy Light
Shining Knight + Warrior of the Holy Light
Shining Knight + Divine Defender + Warrior of the Holy Light
Undead Scourge + Warrior of the Holy Light
Undead Scourge + Divine Defender + Warrior of the Holy Light

Ranger: 13 combinations

Spoiler:

Beast Master + Infiltrator
Beast Master + Skirmisher
Beast Master + Infiltrator + Skirmisher
Guide + Skirmisher
Horselord + Infiltrator
Horselord + Skirmisher
Horselord + Infiltrator + Skirmisher
Infiltrator + Skirmisher
Shapeshifter + Skirmish
Spirit Ranger + Infiltrator
Spirit Ranger + Skirmisher
Spirit Guide + Infiltrator + Skirmisher
Urban Ranger + Skirmisher (Assumes Camouflage and Woodland Stride are replaced by Push Through and Blend in)

Rogue: 27 (!) combinations

Spoiler:

Acrobat + Burglar
Acrobat + Scout
Acrobat + Trapsmith
Cutpurse + Burglar
Cutpurse + Scout
Cutpurse + Trapsmith
Investigator + Burglar
Investigator + Scout
Investigator + Trapsmith
Poisoner + Burglar
Poisoner + Scout
Poisoner + Trapsmith
Rake + Burglar
Rake + Scout
Rake + Trapsmith
Sniper + Burglar
Sniper + Scout
Sniper + Trapsmith
Spy + Burglar
Spy + Scout
Spy + Trapsmith
Swashbuckler + Burglar
Swashbuckler + Scout
Swashbuckler + Trapsmith
Thug + Burglar
Thug + Scout
Thug + Trapsmith

Sorcerer: None. No new Archetypes.

Wizard: None. No new Archetypes.

If I've missed any or any aren't valid, let me know.

[MisterSlanky]

Paul Watson wrote:

If I've missed any or any aren't valid, let me know.

Technically none are valid. You cannot mix class options within a class. So it's possible to be an acrobat or a burglar, but not bot since they're both rogue options. It is possible to be an acrobat/brutal pugilist though since one is rogue and the other barbarian.

[Yrtalien]

MisterSlanky wrote:

Paul Watson wrote:

If I've missed any or any aren't valid, let me know.

Technically none are valid. You cannot mix class options within a class. So it's possible to be an acrobat or a burglar, but not bot since they're both rogue options. It is possible to be an acrobat/brutal pugilist though since one is rogue and the other barbarian.

By my reading MisterSlanky, Paul is correct.

From the APG:

A character can take more than one archetype and
garner additional alternate class features, but none of
the alternate class features can replace or alter the same
class feature from the core class as another alternate
class feature. For example, a paladin could not be both
a hospitaler and an undead scourge since they both
modify the smite evil class feature and both replace the
aura of justice class feature. A paladin could, however,
be both an undead scourge and a warrior of the holy
light, since none of their new class features replace the
same core class feature.

[Shar Tahl]

It looks like they can be combined, but you cannot pick and choose what alternate features to use and what ones not to use. You much check EVERY alternate feature and make sure none of them overlap with the other.

[urodivoi]

Somebody else made a list a couple of weeks back, I'll see if I can find it then compare. I found it useful cause flipping back & forth in the pdf is difficult.

Edit: here it is http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/rules/aPGWhatArchtypesStack

Edit #2: now how do I linkify this??

[Paul Watson]

urodivoi wrote:

Somebody else made a list a couple of weeks back, I'll see if I can find it then compare. I found it useful cause flipping back & forth in the pdf is difficult.

Edit: here it is Linkified

Edit #2: now how do I linkify this??

Linkified it. And darn. Thought I was being original

[mdt]

Here's the list I came up with (and a link to the thread in question).

EDIT: LOL, Ninja'd while I was typing. :)

[Paul Watson]

mdt wrote:

Here's the list I came up with (and a link to the thread in question).

EDIT: LOL, Ninja'd while I was typing. :)

Looks like I missed some. Oh, well, back to work on it.

[MisterSlanky]

Yrtalien wrote:

By my reading MisterSlanky, Paul is correct.

I stand corrected. I must have been thinking about the class features not overlapping, or trying for something like Rogue 1/Burglar 1.

[Sigurd]

They are technically not valid because they are not presented as an option but the section begins with an invite to DMs to make their own archtypes.

I think one would be rude to assume but reasonable to suggest....

[Davor]

Just a Note:

I believe that Sacred Servant Paladins cannot mix with Warrior of the Holy Light Paladins because a key Sacred Servant ability modifies spellcasting, which Warriors of the Holy Light do not gain access to.

[Kaiyanwang]

Nice! Thank you very much!

[MisterSlanky]

To add to this, here's a Google Docs Matrix outlining what abilities are swapped out.

[Joe Wells]

MisterSlanky wrote:

To add to this, here's a Google Docs Matrix outlining what abilities are swapped out.

Thanks. I was just about to post that.