Escape a grapple?

[Anomalyz]

When you attempt a grapple as a humanoid you get a -4 to your CM check, but do you get the -4 when you try to escape or reverse a grapple?

[Tom Baumbach]

Anomalyz wrote:

When you attempt a grapple as a humanoid you get a -4 to your CM check, but do you get the -4 when you try to escape or reverse a grapple?

You mean when humanoids attempt to grapple without two free hands? By a strict reading of the rules, I would say no, the penalty does not apply when trying to escape or break a grapple, but it does apply when trying to reverse the grapple.

[Anomalyz]

Yeah that's whAt j thought but I was told that escaping is still grappling but it only mentions the -4 in the cmb portion