Did you know that the origin of Harley Quinn came from the series?Yeah, she became so admired from the series I heard they put her in one of the main Batman comic lines. When they announced that Nolan was seeking two female leads, I had a moment's hope for live-action "Harley & Ivy". *heh* It was not to be, of course, but I think there's a fan-movie like that somewhere.
I was hoping for harley & Ivy. I actually think that Harley would, with a very simple re-imagaining make an awesome nolan-verse villain as a enviromentalist bio-terrorist.
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Did you know that the origin of Harley Quinn came from the series?
Unfortunately, yes. Personally, I despise the character and think she was one of those things that marked the movement downhill for the Batman universe for me - something Grant Morrison completed with the introduction of Damian Wayne, the Batman R.I.P. story, and the current fiasco over Bruce Wayne's death (oh excuse me, time travel crap), and return.
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Did you know that the origin of Harley Quinn came from the series?Unfortunately, yes. Personally, I despise the character and think she was one of those things that marked the movement downhill for the Batman universe for me - something Grant Morrison completed with the introduction of Damian Wayne, the Batman R.I.P. story, and the current fiasco over Bruce Wayne's death (oh excuse me, time travel crap), and return.
Interesting,
I like Harley, in part because she's a character that 'stared into the abyss' once too often. I like the idea that she was this bright idealized psychologist who thought she could help the Joker, but he took her and broke her, just for the hell of it.
It a) Makes the Joker more of a psychopath to me, (killing Sarah Gordon and Jason Todd, crippling Barbara were more of a 'hurting those who hurt me' type thing) and b) brings home the innocents, or innocence that is killed by the Joker, I mean whe he kills 'walk on role #5' we're supposed to be horrified, but he remains a faceless mook. That he completely twisted a normal person into a sycophantic psychotic like Harley that we see again and again is more terrifying to me.
slightly OT about comic book deaths
Did you know that the origin of Harley Quinn came from the series?Unfortunately, yes. Personally, I despise the character and think she was one of those things that marked the movement downhill for the Batman universe for me - something Grant Morrison completed with the introduction of Damian Wayne, the Batman R.I.P. story, and the current fiasco over Bruce Wayne's death (oh excuse me, time travel crap), and return.
Huh. VERY interesting.
Apparently, as I thought, the Prey graphic novels are getting the headliners with the Dark Knight Rises rumours. No surprise with the rumours of Tom Hardy playing Hugo Strange and a love interest for Bruce Wayne being mentioned. Selina Kyle being the most standout "steady" for Bruce Wayne and in the Prey comic. I can't see Talia Al Ghul and Selina Kyle both being in it as both are love interests for Bruce Wayne. Unless Talia plays it strictly revenge on her father type deal.
And it appears this will be the last Christopher Nolan/Christian Bale collaboration on Batman. Not a bad thing if we want to see other more "supernatural" enemies of Batman hit the screen. Nolan will probably play it gothic noir with more 'realistic' characters and a psychological aspect to it.
I don't know about you guys but I wanna see Mr. Freeze, Killer Croc and Poison Ivy up there.
Also woudn't suprise me to see a mix of a few more popular graphic novels. Batman Begins was a mix of Batman: Year One, The Long Halloween and Batman: The Man who Falls with a sprinkle of the Scarecrow's plot to poison the town's water supply from the animated series. The Dark Knight was a mix of The Long Halloween and a few scenes from The Killing Joke. I would like to see the Holiday killer as a side plot from The Long Halloween with perhaps The Calender Man playing the killer now that Dent is dead.
Busy Phillips (Freaks and Geeks, Cougar Town) would make a great Harley Quinn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've favored Bill Nighy as a Riddler for some time, though I don't believe he's ever actually been in the running. He's older than any Riddler we're familiar with, but I suspect he'd be able to portray a composed, arrogant intellectual that would be a good counter to the chaotic genius of the the last film's Joker.
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Just my 2cp but I would love to see Alan Rickman as the Riddler. He basically already played the intelligent sociopath roll in Die Hard. Plus he is a great character actor that could pull off the roll.Like the earlier news release said, there will be no riddler in this movie.
I know, but maybe in the future.
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I know, but maybe in the future.Just my 2cp but I would love to see Alan Rickman as the Riddler. He basically already played the intelligent sociopath roll in Die Hard. Plus he is a great character actor that could pull off the roll.Like the earlier news release said, there will be no riddler in this movie.
Maybe but likely not by Nolan. Nolan also said he favors at leaving this adaptation as a trilogy.
VERY nice.
I do hope it isn't an erzatz romance, though.
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VERY nice.
I do hope it isn't an erzatz romance, though.
I would say that it is almost a given that there will be a romantic subplot. The flirtation between Batman and Catwoman is such a major part of the story that it even got mentioned in the Batman: The Brave and The Bold video game.
Edit: Besides Anne Hathaway is yummy and it would be a waste to not include a shower scene or something. ;)
VERY nice.
I do hope it isn't an erzatz romance, though.
I would say that it is almost a given that there will be a romantic subplot. The flirtation between Batman and Catwoman is such a major part of the story that it even got mentioned in the Batman: The Brave and The Bold video game.
Edit: Besides Anne Hathaway is yummy and it would be a waste to not include a shower scene or something. ;)
Subplot yes; poorly-veiled attempt to "get more women into the franchise" no.
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Subplot yes; poorly-veiled attempt to "get more women into the franchise" no.VERY nice.
I do hope it isn't an erzatz romance, though.
I would say that it is almost a given that there will be a romantic subplot. The flirtation between Batman and Catwoman is such a major part of the story that it even got mentioned in the Batman: The Brave and The Bold video game.
Edit: Besides Anne Hathaway is yummy and it would be a waste to not include a shower scene or something. ;)
True. I would not want my wife to go with me and see me drool over Anne Hathaway.
Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.
Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.
I hear ya there... If they end up beating Bane by "unplugging" the tubes behid his neck (because that's how they beat Bane in EVERY DAMN SCENARIO), I'll be a little disapointed.
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Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.I hear ya there... If they end up beating Bane by "unplugging" the tubes behid his neck (because that's how they beat Bane in EVERY DAMN SCENARIO), I'll be a little disapointed.
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Well Bruce could have a Waynetech 'lightweight exo-skeleton' that is good enough to beat Bane in HTH, but consumes so much power that he can't wear it all the time.
Well Bruce could have a Waynetech 'lightweight exo-skeleton' that is good enough to beat Bane in HTH, but consumes so much power that he can't wear it all the time.Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.I hear ya there... If they end up beating Bane by "unplugging" the tubes behid his neck (because that's how they beat Bane in EVERY DAMN SCENARIO), I'll be a little disapointed.
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A goog alternative would be for Gordon to put a bullet through Bane's head. No brain, no Bane.
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A goog alternative would be for Gordon to put a bullet through Bane's head. No brain, no Bane.Well Bruce could have a Waynetech 'lightweight exo-skeleton' that is good enough to beat Bane in HTH, but consumes so much power that he can't wear it all the time.Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.I hear ya there... If they end up beating Bane by "unplugging" the tubes behid his neck (because that's how they beat Bane in EVERY DAMN SCENARIO), I'll be a little disapointed.
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Well yeah. But where's the fun in that?
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Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.
I agree. Too often Bane is just treated as The Hulk without the green skin. Writers seem to forget that he is also a criminal mastermind with an intellect on par with Bruce Wayne. He is basically Moriarty to Batman's Sherlock Holmes. It was one of the reasons I really liked the original Spider-Man. The writers in that film remembered that Norman Osborn's greatest tool was not his gear but his intellect. Sure he may have been crazy, but he was smart and crazy and that made all the difference.
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Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.I agree. Too often Bane is just treated as The Hulk without the green skin. Writers seem to forget that he is also a criminal mastermind with an intellect on par with Bruce Wayne. He is basically Moriarty to Batman's Sherlock Holmes. It was one of the reasons I really liked the original Spider-Man. The writers in that film remembered that Norman Osborn's greatest tool was not his gear but his intellect. Sure he may have been crazy, but he was smart and crazy and that made all the difference.
Did you see the Young Justice episode with him? He wasn't quite Bruce Wayne, but he wasn't "Bane Smash superheroes!" either.
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Did you see the Young Justice episode with him? He wasn't quite Bruce Wayne, but he wasn't "Bane Smash superheroes!" either.Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.I agree. Too often Bane is just treated as The Hulk without the green skin. Writers seem to forget that he is also a criminal mastermind with an intellect on par with Bruce Wayne. He is basically Moriarty to Batman's Sherlock Holmes. It was one of the reasons I really liked the original Spider-Man. The writers in that film remembered that Norman Osborn's greatest tool was not his gear but his intellect. Sure he may have been crazy, but he was smart and crazy and that made all the difference.
Nope, I actually missed it because I thought that Young Justice came on a half hour later than it actually did. I caught only the last few minutes of it where Sportsmaster was meeting with the Light.
Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.If anyone has the potential of getting a character right it's Nolan. I mean seriously he is the first one IMHO to get the Batman character right in film or television.
While I love his take, I did enjoy Michael Keaton. Bruce Wayne was weird and quirky, the last person you'd expect to be Batman.
I would also LOVE to see Nolan's take on Robin. I think he could get the Boy Wonder right.
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Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.If anyone has the potential of getting a character right it's Nolan. I mean seriously he is the first one IMHO to get the Batman character right in film or television.While I love his take, I did enjoy Michael Keaton. Bruce Wayne was weird and quirky, the last person you'd expect to be Batman.
I would also LOVE to see Nolan's take on Robin. I think he could get the Boy Wonder right.
Which Robin though? Dick's still a talker, even as Batman.
Which Robin though? Dick's still a talker, even as Batman.Here's to hoping they do Bane right. He has the potential to be great.If anyone has the potential of getting a character right it's Nolan. I mean seriously he is the first one IMHO to get the Batman character right in film or television.While I love his take, I did enjoy Michael Keaton. Bruce Wayne was weird and quirky, the last person you'd expect to be Batman.
I would also LOVE to see Nolan's take on Robin. I think he could get the Boy Wonder right.
Good point. I like the fact that people KNOW it's not Bruce because he's either talking too much, trying too hard, or looks like he's having WAY too much fun. What are your thoughts on Batman International? Did not care for what they did to Mr. Unknown, but I do love the fact that they have tipped the hat to the famous Batman manga when they made him Batman Japan.
Re: Robin- I think they should have a scene that parallels the one in The Dark Knight where he realizes that he DOES need help, even if only because he can't be everywhere at once or that he could use a monkey-wrench(perhaps facing someone like Double Dare[not a Batman villain, but still] or just a group of thugs that's smarter than average). He could come across a grieving Dick, thuggish Jason(I feel he gets WAAAAAY too much criticism- if you're going to hate on anyone hate on the writer/editor not the character!), or say the guy who figured out who Batman was' son or cousin(Tim). Or hell, even the commish's daughter(Batgirl) or a girl who is just a fan who ends up saving his life(Carrie). I don't think you could go wrong either way, although there are better and worse choices.
I thought it odd that Gordan has a son in the new movies...
Fairly certain there wont be a Robin (or any other teenage sidekick) in the film. I seem to recall either the director or christian bale saying that if Robin was included then they would walk.)
They have a point. A Robin could be done right, but to introduce one that didn't suck would practically require Robin be the real star of the movie. A Nolanverse Robin would probably have to be someone like Kick-Ass's Hit Girl, and she became the protagonist the second she came on the screen. The choice would certainly be for Dick, though I think I'd prefer Tim.
Then plenty of people would still hate it on the basis that any sidekick, or any teenage character, must be obnoxious, annoying, or idiotic, of course.
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Fairly certain there wont be a Robin (or any other teenage sidekick) in the film. I seem to recall either the director or christian bale saying that if Robin was included then they would walk.)
It was Bale; in the same interview that he mentioned the possibility of multiple movies after The Dark Knight.
Fairly certain there wont be a Robin (or any other teenage sidekick) in the film. I seem to recall either the director or christian bale saying that if Robin was included then they would walk.)It was Bale; in the same interview that he mentioned the possibility of multiple movies after The Dark Knight.
Unfortunate.
What's the obsession with Bale on that site? I have never like him, I like the batman movies but I don't like bale sounds like he was chewing on gravel everytime he talked as batman. I understand they wanted batman's voice to be "darker" but I think it came out as hilarious in my opinion.
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Unfortunate.Fairly certain there wont be a Robin (or any other teenage sidekick) in the film. I seem to recall either the director or christian bale saying that if Robin was included then they would walk.)It was Bale; in the same interview that he mentioned the possibility of multiple movies after The Dark Knight.
indeed, because I could see Michael Caine's Alfred really being able to play up the conflict.
"He's just a boy, Master Bruce. He shouldn't be out there."
"He needs this Alfred, he needs to bring his father's killer to justice."
"He needs this, Master Bruce? Or are you trying to give him what you never had."
Edit: And yes, saying 'his father' instead of 'his parents' is intentional on my part.
Unfortunate.Fairly certain there wont be a Robin (or any other teenage sidekick) in the film. I seem to recall either the director or christian bale saying that if Robin was included then they would walk.)It was Bale; in the same interview that he mentioned the possibility of multiple movies after The Dark Knight.indeed, because I could see Michael Caine's Alfred really being able to play up the conflict.
"He's just a boy, Master Bruce. He shouldn't be out there."
"He needs this Alfred, he needs to bring his father's killer to justice."
"He needs this, Master Bruce? Or are you trying to give him what you never had."
Edit: And yes, saying 'his father' instead of 'his parents' is intentional on my part.
God that sounds good. It's unfortunate that Bale takes himself too damn seriously on that angle.
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Unfortunate.Fairly certain there wont be a Robin (or any other teenage sidekick) in the film. I seem to recall either the director or christian bale saying that if Robin was included then they would walk.)It was Bale; in the same interview that he mentioned the possibility of multiple movies after The Dark Knight.indeed, because I could see Michael Caine's Alfred really being able to play up the conflict.
"He's just a boy, Master Bruce. He shouldn't be out there."
"He needs this Alfred, he needs to bring his father's killer to justice."
"He needs this, Master Bruce? Or are you trying to give him what you never had."
Edit: And yes, saying 'his father' instead of 'his parents' is intentional on my part.
If we get Michael Caine doing scenes like this, we can always replace Bale.
I dunno...that sounds like just about any other line of dialogue from Michael Caine. Especially from The Prestige.
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I dunno...that sounds like just about any other line of dialogue from Michael Caine. Especially from The Prestige.
Well look who starred in the Prestige...
I do think though that introducing a Robin on the big screen (correctly) would be a chance to revisit why Bruce picked Dick and Jason (Tim picked him).
Hmm, I wouldnt call Bane a criminal mastermind; but he is wiley smart; street smart; crafty; coniving and a survivor that moved up from drug gang wars; so I would be dissappointed if it was easy to unplug him; but yes; I agree with Ultradan they beat Bane that way all hte time; but if they dont; hmm; wont be sticking with the comic; I dont mind them doing that; it just should not be easy; as Bane is a pleanty scrappy fighter who could kill you if you open youself up to go for the tubes and hoses. He should be an expert; crafty and dirty fighter as well as strong and mean. He knows his weaknessess and should only be in these encounters when things are stacked heavily in his favor and with pleanty of bad guys normals for support. I would be dissappointed if he didnt wreck some serious harm on Bats causing Bats to fall back and use is keen mind to trap Bane.
Gordon-Levitt is intriging; he could be one of several guys; who was that guy that was so time anal; he would be good too; though I like the Riddler idea.
The movies have been great so far; am not a Robin fan though Nightwing was cool; so hope they dont go there. Catwoman; that would be really realy hard to do really well and I hope this guys only does stuff really well. Catwoman in my mind is seriously twisted, sexy, and and unconciounable as any cat, but basically she is a burglar.
What I would like to see is a DC team up; get some other characters rolling; like to see this Batman meet the Superman from Superman returns; a couple of those comics have been good stories. I would like to see news articles or paper articles in DC movies that at least recognise other heroes and villians thumping about in other cities as no news or paper gives just news of their own city.
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Here's an article from Variety about Joseph Gordon-Levitt's possible role in the Dark Knight Rises.
Interesting.
I agree with Ultradan they beat Bane that way all hte time; but if they dont; hmm; wont be sticking with the comic;
Actually, I don't think he was ever beaten by getting unplugged from his Venom supply in the comics. He was hindered by it, but kept fighting. Killer Croc broke his tubes, and Bane responded by breaking Croc's arm. Jean-Paul Valley as the new Batman broke the tubes, but also had the advantage in the fight before he did so.
And, of course, there's the fact that he's spent more of his comics life WITHOUT Venom that with. Honestly, I think it would be kind of refreshing if they decided not to give him Venom at all in the movie. Bane boiled down to his core concepts is an evil version of Doc Savage. The Venom angle has largely been abandoned in comics.
hmm evil Doc Savage; something to ponder. I always thought Bane was a two cent druk catrel muscle who made it into the big time by getting pumped full of chemical.; Guess I dont know much about him; think I have only read a double handful of comics with Bane in them.
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hmm evil Doc Savage; something to ponder. I always thought Bane was a two cent druk catrel muscle who made it into the big time by getting pumped full of chemical.; Guess I dont know much about him; think I have only read a double handful of comics with Bane in them.
If you can find them in TPB, Secret Six is a good way to 'get to know' Bane (and Catman for that matter)