Maybe to lay a foundation for feats that are half-elf only?
I can see that point but if that is the case why do some feats list BOTH elf and half elf.
Half elves should get there own feats, and they do. There are several feats that are just half elf
and then there are feats that are half elf AND they also list elf
and then there is Elven Accuracy which only lists elf.
Why do they do that if half elves can take elf feats? Why list the half elf at all? that would imply that normall a half elf CANNOT take feats that dont list half elf if it has to list elf and half elf whenever it applies.
same goes for half orc. There are several half orc only and no orc feats but whenever its able to be taken by both they are BOTH listed.
thats is my point and confusion
Half Elves can not take feats which read Elf as a prerequisite. Thier mixed blood applies ONLY where it is specifically stated to do so, mostly on magic items that activate in the presence of elven blood.
About the only feats that Half elves can take which elves and humans can take are those for half-breeds only. (Humans don't need "Pass For Human" for instance)
Half-Elves - can't take Elf feats.
Humans with Racial Heritage who picked Elf - can take Elf feats.Hurray, the system makes no sense!
Half Elves can not take feats which read Elf as a prerequisite. Thier mixed blood applies ONLY where it is specifically stated to do so, mostly on magic items that activate in the presence of elven blood.
About the only feats that Half elves can take which elves and humans can take are those for half-breeds only. (Humans don't need "Pass For Human" for instance)
Half-Elves - can't take Elf feats.
Humans with Racial Heritage who picked Elf - can take Elf feats.Hurray, the system makes no sense!
hmmmm I wouldn't say it makes no sense, more of humans can emulate other races easily by heritage where a half elfs blood might "taint" per say the ability to take certain feats, there are very very few feats that arent for both half elves and elves and the ones that arent (SUCH AS BREADTH OF EXPERIENCE BECAUSE HALF ELVES ARENT OLD ENOUGH) cannot be selected.
atleast I can see why that is a possibility. Humans are like the dopplegangers (Not the race dopplegangers ;P) of the base races, they can emulate all of them because they have common ties to most. Where half elves are really there own race, much like mule isnt a horse or a donkey at all.
Half Elves can not take feats which read Elf as a prerequisite. Thier mixed blood applies ONLY where it is specifically stated to do so, mostly on magic items that activate in the presence of elven blood.
About the only feats that Half elves can take which elves and humans can take are those for half-breeds only. (Humans don't need "Pass For Human" for instance)
Half-Elves - can't take Elf feats.
Humans with Racial Heritage who picked Elf - can take Elf feats.Hurray, the system makes no sense!
hmmmm I wouldn't say it makes no sense, more of humans can emulate other races easily by heritage where a half elfs blood might "taint" per say the ability to take certain feats, there are very very few feats that arent for both half elves and elves and the ones that arent (SUCH AS BREADTH OF EXPERIENCE BECAUSE HALF ELVES ARENT OLD ENOUGH) cannot be selected.
atleast I can see why that is a possibility. Humans are like the dopplegangers (Not the race dopplegangers ;P) of the base races, they can emulate all of them because they have common ties to most. Where half elves are really there own race, much like mule isnt a horse or a donkey at all.
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Half Elves can not take feats which read Elf as a prerequisite. Thier mixed blood applies ONLY where it is specifically stated to do so, mostly on magic items that activate in the presence of elven blood.
About the only feats that Half elves can take which elves and humans can take are those for half-breeds only. (Humans don't need "Pass For Human" for instance)
Personally, I say let them do it if they want. The game's supposed to be fun, after all, and if a half-elf identifies strongly as an elf... there's no problem with letting that half-elf get an elven feat.
Blind adherence to the rules is not always the best option.
Half Elves can not take feats which read Elf as a prerequisite. Thier mixed blood applies ONLY where it is specifically stated to do so, mostly on magic items that activate in the presence of elven blood.
About the only feats that Half elves can take which elves and humans can take are those for half-breeds only. (Humans don't need "Pass For Human" for instance)
Again considering that the racial heritage feat reads exactly the same as the mixed blood racial trait then lists examples which provides for feats too I don't see where anyone can say the mixed blood doesn't apply to feats.
I just took a look at the feat in question. A Half Elf is essentially the same as a Human who took Racial Heritage (Elf) for the purpose of this dicussion. A Human with Racial Heritage essentially represents a Human who has the blood of another race in his background but it is so strongly diluted that it only represents itself in this feat. There is absolute no need for a Half Elf to take this feat for emulating elven heritage and I'm of the opinion if that the Half Elf's human stock had that much of another race in it they'd be Human.Again considering that the racial heritage feat reads exactly the same as the mixed blood racial trait then lists examples which provides for feats too I don't see where anyone can say the mixed blood doesn't apply to feats.Half Elves can not take feats which read Elf as a prerequisite. Thier mixed blood applies ONLY where it is specifically stated to do so, mostly on magic items that activate in the presence of elven blood.
About the only feats that Half elves can take which elves and humans can take are those for half-breeds only. (Humans don't need "Pass For Human" for instance)
What he said.
Personally, I say let them do it if they want. The game's supposed to be fun, after all, and if a half-elf identifies strongly as an elf... there's no problem with letting that half-elf get an elven feat.
Blind adherence to the rules is not always the best option.
What you speak is blasphemy!!!
O,o?
OH.. hey James. :oP
Half Elves can not take feats which read Elf as a prerequisite. Thier mixed blood applies ONLY where it is specifically stated to do so, mostly on magic items that activate in the presence of elven blood.
About the only feats that Half elves can take which elves and humans can take are those for half-breeds only. (Humans don't need "Pass For Human" for instance)
False.
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On topic, you can actually use logic to justify using this feat on ANY race. Here's an example:
Great-great-great-great-great grandpappy Bob was a human with, say, hill giant heritage (represented by the feat). He had kids with a dwarven lady of ill repute (hey, he's part hill giant, he's gotta take what he can get). Those kids had kids with other dwarves, and so on down the line to you, Sir Dwarf McDwarferson, who also has hill giant heritage by virtue of Great^5 grandpappy Bob.
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Personally, I think the game starts to devolve when you get into the specifics of half breeds. Suddenly you go from a nice convienent list of playable races to an almost limitless list of playable races. Its ridiculous. Its like beating a dead horse.
Here's how I've always done it in my game.
Human/Elf = Half Elf
Human/Orc = Half Orc
Pretty simple eh, so far. Stay with me.
Humans can also breed with Dwarves. However, the offspring is either a Human OR a Dwarf. 50% Chance.
Humans can have sex with, but not breed with Gnomes or Halflings. The physiology is just too different.
Elves can only breed with other elves and humans. They can have sex as normal, but are too different in physiology to actually breed with anything else.
Orcs can only breed with other orcs and humans. They can have sex as normal, but are too different in physiology to actually breed with anything else.
Halflings can only breed with other Halfllings. They can have sex with the taller races (which is weird) and Gnomes but cannot breed with them.
All of these rules are of course broken when it comes to the Sorcerer Bloodlines and Dragons, Celestials, Demons, Devils, and some Fey. Hence the templates.
Anything else, I judge on a case by case basis as the GM.
Anyway, just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Half Elves can not take feats which read Elf as a prerequisite. Thier mixed blood applies ONLY where it is specifically stated to do so, mostly on magic items that activate in the presence of elven blood.
About the only feats that Half elves can take which elves and humans can take are those for half-breeds only. (Humans don't need "Pass For Human" for instance)
Personally, I say let them do it if they want. The game's supposed to be fun, after all, and if a half-elf identifies strongly as an elf... there's no problem with letting that half-elf get an elven feat.
Blind adherence to the rules is not always the best option.
I agree on that end very much. No feat needed.
my feeling is that if this feat can be taken by any race then you don't get into any giant list of half-breads because the feat takes care of everything for you, you count as two races for prerequisites and have the base stats of one race. plus the feat adds flavor to a character granting both a mechanical and a role play background.