Stuff Star Trek - Reboot Babylon 5 or Blake 7....
(Puts on fire retardant suit and hides in bunker).
Stuff Star Trek - Reboot Babylon 5 or Blake 7....
(Puts on fire retardant suit and hides in bunker).
B5 B-Better re-Boot.
Stuff Star Trek - Reboot Babylon 5 or Blake 7....
(Puts on fire retardant suit and hides in bunker).
Even Better.
Stuff Reboots. It is time to stop reliving the past.
I do agree that reboots are getting to be a bit much...but also hate to admit that about 2/3 of reboots I have seen have been pretty good. Why? because most reboots are by guys who were once fans. Fans who thought about everything they loved and hated about the original.
Trek had a universe, that while Paramount didn't share easily, the fans sure did. Nobody had to explain warp drive, phasers, or beaming up or what a vulcan was: they were familiar and comfortable, so with each new Trek series they could say,
"Hey, here's what I liked...now lets do it better"
Tons of fan sites where stories are swapped, new starships are designed using those familiar lines as a starting point.
I will never say ANY incarnation of Trek was perfect. I think I could only get about 5 seasons worth of episodes I liked out of 9 seasons of TNG. But you can take the good and build on it, like the way Worf was improved on in DS9/
In the case of B5, I don't need a full reboot, but it would have been nice to have learned what happened to the Psi corps and the telepaths, and What happened to several characters to get them to the point shown in the epsode where they flash 20 years ahead.
The other reason for any reboot==better special effects!
Yea, I am that shallow. The Trek movie was incredible. I have to rewatch it just to get the full scope of some space scenes.
Compare that to the Original Series. Good grief, the Klingon makeup was so different from the rest of trek, Enterprise had to come up with some way to explain it.
And of course a new Trek series could mean more hot Orion chicks.
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Is it a reboot when it takes place in the same universe, but a different setting though?
I mean, I want to see more of the Trek universe, but not a revamp of TOS or TNG.
With the exception of Alliance it would be easy to have 'homefront' stories that showed what the Federation is to the 'man on the street' by having the characters interact with their families. Imagine the Section 31 spook who just sabotaged an agreement between two Tellurite houses coming home and listening to his wife go on about how great the Federation is, or the Starfleet Academy recruit who has to listen to his 'crazy uncle' go on about how Starfleet is a military, look how fast they went to combat in the Dominon war.
Is it a reboot when it takes place in the same universe, but a different setting though?
I mean, I want to see more of the Trek universe, but not a revamp of TOS or TNG.
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REALLY like your version of Academy.
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Also by rotating the cast, the writers don't have to worry about a) actors getting too long in the tooth, or b) introducing concepts that seem to 'violate' the characters. I've seen on a lot of comics boards people saying 'this character should be gay' even though that character has years of hetro-history. With new cast members being added every season, you just bring on the 'flavour of the week' character. Want a gay character? Welcome Cadet El'len! Want a character of a misunderstood group? It's Cadet Si'keh!
Essentially, I'm looking at the concept both as a series grinder, and an actor grinder.
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Amusing thought
In the final bit, the students run across professor Barclay and thank him for saving their lives. It's then revealed that it wasn't Barclay, it was the 'failsafe holodeck program' that he'd had installed.
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Stuff Star Trek - Reboot Babylon 5 or Blake 7....
(Puts on fire retardant suit and hides in bunker).
I'm with you all the way. I'd also love to see reboots for Sliders and either Time Trax or Timecop (yes, it was a TV show as as well as a movie).
Or better yet instead of have them go to another galaxy instead have an unknown ship come flying in and the nearest ship heads in and has to tow it to the nearest facility which happens to be near a newly built colony.
The ship has one lone survivor who looks more like an Amerindian meets a Viking woman with plenty of dead aboard all of who look perfectly human or near human say.
However upon awakening the survivor escapes from medical leading to a desperate chase through the facility where the pride of starfleet are unable to prevent her boarding her ship repairing it enough to flee outsystem unaware that some of the colonists are aboard along with starfleet personnel due to a few colonist's kids getting a little too interested for their own good.
Barely minutes after the ship flees the system an invasion force storms the system killing EVERYONE.
The lone survivor discovers the colonists' kids before the rest of the search party tries to storm the bridge only for one kid who manages to open a sensor discovers the attack on their new home.
They want to turn around, she stops them even being threatened she refuses to turn the ship around as another kid succeeds with the help of one of the starfleet personnel in getting the ships' universal translator working.
Able to understand each other the survivor reveals she's the only survivor of a war against a race of alien parasites that take over their host and move to devour the entire galaxy.
Back in their former home the parasite has already secured the starfleet facility and its ships turning the personnel into its slaves and this continues as it manages to take control system by system with noone aboard the fleeing ship able to warn the rest of the federation because the possessed starfleet personnel have warned the federation to believe that their ship is infected with something that will bring ruin to the Federation and the only cure is to wipe that ship out before its too late...
The former ship's commander and only survivor is a far better officer than anyone in the Federation but can she take a crew made up from scared colonists' kids, their panicked parents and the few starfleet personnel left aboard and turn them into a force that can save the Federation from itself?
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I'd like a smallville style Trek. Not so much the 'superman' part I don't need to see Young Kirk, Spock etc. But a core cast of 5-8 Starfleet cadets, various adventures, out on a patrol etc.
I'll go a step further, pick the cast from unknowns, lesser knowns.
Here's my 'top 5'
** spoiler omitted **The big question is when and what reality would the 'new Trek' be set in? TV universe would possibly give a much larger cast of characters for guest appearnaces. Abramsverse would give a much cleaner pallate.
Oh God! You are looking for a Starfleet Academy TV Series...no way in hell.
I would prefer a series about Klingons in a border war with Romulans that took place entirely on the surface of neutral zone some world as they struggled to find access to the secret Romulan Shipyard deep below the surface...
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Oh God! You are looking for a Starfleet Academy TV Series...no way in hell.
I would prefer a series about Klingons in a border war with Romulans that took place entirely on the surface of neutral zone some world as they struggled to find access to the secret Romulan Shipyard deep below the surface...
On the first point, with good writing and acting even the lamest seeming concepts can be entertaining. Jim Butcher's Codex Alera series is based on the Lost Legion and Pokemon, yet manages to be entertaining. The key is to ensure that there is quality with the scripts, the directing, and the acting.
On the second, expect any series to be human-centric. The human characters are the window into the world, they are easier to relate to from the audience perspective. More importantly, they don't require the same make-up budget as a Klingon or an Andorian. The Alien characters will almost always be the supporting cast except for a few episodes.
Thats why its annoying. I hate human-centric when ther is an ocean of alien horror out there.
Yellow dingo wrote: "Thats why its annoying. I hate human-centric when ther is an ocean of alien horror out there."
For that matter how many aliens are truly alien?
Most are simply past or present human cultures with some minor changes in physiology.
Klingons=Mongols with a touch of viking berserker--a 3.5 barbarian!
Vulcans? Greek philosophers with telepathy
B5's Centauri? Romans at the end of empire
B5's M'bari? Eastern mystics and samurai
Although the Vorlons were pretty non-human
TV and movies rarely have truly alien creatures.
Literary sci-fi can do a good job sometimes.
Niven & Pournelles classic "Mote in God's Eye" has aliens with asymetric bodies that switch sexes and die if they dont become pregnant when in their female phase.
How would you guys feel about a new Animated Star Trek? I think it could be quite good (of course, I enjoyed the old one too).
+1.
Yellow dingo wrote: "Thats why its annoying. I hate human-centric when ther is an ocean of alien horror out there."
For that matter how many aliens are truly alien?
Most are simply past or present human cultures with some minor changes in physiology.
Klingons=Mongols with a touch of viking berserker--a 3.5 barbarian!
Vulcans? Greek philosophers with telepathy
B5's Centauri? Romans at the end of empire
B5's M'bari? Eastern mystics and samurai
Although the Vorlons were pretty non-humanTV and movies rarely have truly alien creatures.
Literary sci-fi can do a good job sometimes.
Niven & Pournelles classic "Mote in God's Eye" has aliens with asymetric bodies that switch sexes and die if they dont become pregnant when in their female phase.
You have to give B5 the Vorlons, Shadows, Nakalene Feeders, The Pak Ma Ra and Gaim.... The Male Centauri have six tentacle-like genital organs that extend out from the sides of the body and "fold" in over the solar plexus when not in use. The males can stretch the tentacles out to four feet. These tentacles are somewhat prehensile, to the extent that they can be used to cheat in card games (which was shown in an episode). Tell me that's not alien.
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I'd like a smallville style Trek. Not so much the 'superman' part I don't need to see Young Kirk, Spock etc. But a core cast of 5-8 Starfleet cadets, various adventures, out on a patrol etc.
Are you me?
Supposedly, there was going to be a Starfleet Academy spin-off, but they went with Voyager instead. I was all hot for the idea, with my own 'fantasy football' team including a token human, an Andorian, a Deltan (haven't seen one of them for awhile), a Ferengi, a Vulcan (a non-Surak-devoted Vulcan, from one of the colonies, who would be all emotional and studying to be a security officer, just to play with preconceptions) and one of those Alpha C women like the ones from the Next Gen episode set on 'Angel One' (where the women are the dominant gender, and are larger, stronger and more confident than the men). The Human male would be somewhat put out by the notion that every other member of their adjoining dorm rooms (three guys in one room, three girls in the other) has more strength and endurance than he does, although he puts on a good show, because he doesn't want to give the Alpha C girl yet another reason to talk smack about how, on her world, 'weak males know their place.' :)
They, in the fashion of cadets everywhere, would get into all sorts of shenanigans.
(I felt like Klingons were getting a little overdone towards the end of DS9, so, despite thinking that it would be fairly credible for several ambitious Klingon women to sign up, aware that they'd have greater potential for advancement in Starfleet than in the male-dominated Imperial fleet, I didn't want any as main characters. Perhaps the faux-Vulcan cadet regularly spars with one, and the two of them pound out their greater-than-human aggression on each other. Similarly, with Quark's mother starting a clothes-wearing, rules-defying suffragette movement back on the Ferengi home world, I could see a few Ferengi women also moving over to Starfleet, to explore the radical notion of being treated like equals.)
The Deltan male would occasionally excuse himself from studying or whatever to go visit 'the Deltan lounge,' which all of the other cadets would gossip about. Nudge, nudge, say no more. Whenever the door is open and a Deltan is entering or leaving, the sounds of a party and glimpses of unclothed bodies would be noted. If asked, he'd just say that it's too dangerous for Deltans to 'express themselves' around less sexually developed species. It would become something of a running gag, as various cadets attempt to sneak in, or sneak some sort of recording device into the room, or something.
Much later, the viewers would finally get to see inside the scandalous 'Deltan lounge,' as the character walks into the room, and then steps through a hologram of the wild party to a sedate room in which a few Deltans are sitting around, drinking tea and playing three-dimensional chess, in stark contrast to what they are believed to be up to in there. They have a reputation to uphold, after all. :)
Everyone get ready to cringe!
I'd like a smallville style Trek. Not so much the 'superman' part I don't need to see Young Kirk, Spock etc. But a core cast of 5-8 Starfleet cadets, various adventures, out on a patrol etc.
Are you me?
Supposedly, there was going to be a Starfleet Academy spin-off, but they went with Voyager instead. I was all hot for the idea, with my own 'fantasy football' team including a token human, an Andorian, a Deltan (haven't seen one of them for awhile), a Ferengi, a Vulcan (a non-Surak-devoted Vulcan, from one of the colonies, who would be all emotional and studying to be a security officer, just to play with preconceptions) and one of those Alpha C women like the ones from the Next Gen episode set on 'Angel One' (where the women are the dominant gender, and are larger, stronger and more confident than the men). The Human male would be somewhat put out by the notion that every other member of their adjoining dorm rooms (three guys in one room, three girls in the other) has more strength and endurance than he does, although he puts on a good show, because he doesn't want to give the Alpha C girl yet another reason to talk smack about how, on her world, 'weak males know their place.' :)
They, in the fashion of cadets everywhere, would get into all sorts of shenanigans.
(I felt like Klingons were getting a little overdone towards the end of DS9, so, despite thinking that it would be fairly credible for several ambitious Klingon women to sign up, aware that they'd have greater potential for advancement in Starfleet than in the male-dominated Imperial fleet, I didn't want any as main characters. Perhaps the faux-Vulcan cadet regularly spars with one, and the two of them pound out their greater-than-human aggression on each other. Similarly, with Quark's mother starting a clothes-wearing, rules-defying suffragette movement back on the Ferengi home world, I could see a few Ferengi women also moving over to Starfleet, to explore the radical...
Just checked out deltans on memory-alpha, and damn...it HAS been a while since we've seen one. I don't care for the quiet pro-abstinence motif, but I do like and miss the race.
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Just checked out deltans on memory-alpha, and damn...it HAS been a while since we've seen one. I don't care for the quiet pro-abstinence motif, but I do like and miss the race.
I always thought it wasn't 'pro-abstinence' (though what's wrong with that) as much as it was 'pro-keeping-my-fellow-crewmates-functional' Kind of like Worf's comment on Human/Klingon parings "Human women, are too delicate" :-)
I think you'd 'need' to develop the Deltans further in the series to emphasize they aren't 'bald Betazoids' (The Decker/Ilia vs. Riker/Deanna parallels are clear)
A Starfleet Academy spinoff had been in development hell since the 80's, so I'm guessing that that particular notion got it's nearest expression in the reboot.
I's all moot anyway, Paramount has apparently put a block on all Star Trek TV development for a number of years, to give the new movie Franchise a chance to take root in the public imagination.
Personally, I think a rebooted deep space exploration story for the rebooted universe -like the original story could be really great- let the movies keep the klingons and such, lets put some new wonder back into it. The stories should emphasize the isolation, that this is deep space exploration (unlike Voyager, which had all the jeopardy of being lost in a Walmart parking lot).
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A Starfleet Academy spinoff had been in development hell since the 80's, so I'm guessing that that particular notion got it's nearest expression in the reboot.
I's all moot anyway, Paramount has apparently put a block on all Star Trek TV development for a number of years, to give the new movie Franchise a chance to take root in the public imagination.
Personally, I think a rebooted deep space exploration story for the rebooted universe -like the original story could be really great- let the movies keep the klingons and such, lets put some new wonder back into it. The stories should emphasize the isolation, that this is deep space exploration (unlike Voyager, which had all the jeopardy of being lost in a Walmart parking lot).
I think if you set an exploration series in the 'reboot' timeline (which is sad in a way, I wanted to see what happened to the Federation post Dominion) like you're describing, you could put enough 'easter eggs' in for the die hard trekkies.
Examples, off the top of my head.
Just checked out deltans on memory-alpha, and damn...it HAS been a while since we've seen one. I don't care for the quiet pro-abstinence motif, but I do like and miss the race.I always thought it wasn't 'pro-abstinence' (though what's wrong with that) as much as it was 'pro-keeping-my-fellow-crewmates-functional' Kind of like Worf's comment on Human/Klingon parings "Human women, are too delicate" :-)
I think you'd 'need' to develop the Deltans further in the series to emphasize they aren't 'bald Betazoids' (The Decker/Ilia vs. Riker/Deanna parallels are clear)
Well, I guess it's science FICTION, so going all abstinent-happy is just part of the storyline. I just have issues with the associated movement of late, and I don't like it cropping up in my entertainment.
Good point on the functionality tip, but I would need to see more of THAT and less sex = diet coke of evil.
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Over the years I have heard countless scientists and engineers say that they were inspired to enter their careers by Star Trek (in one of its many incarnations). So while I kinda feel that the Trek franchise by itself has been milked dry, ground up and reconstituted, then milked again...I think it would be good for "society" to have some kind of inspirational science fiction programming on television.
Right now it seems like the only thing pop culture is teaching kids to aspire to become is vampires.
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Over the years I have heard countless scientists and engineers say that they were inspired to enter their careers by Star Trek (in one of its many incarnations). So while I kinda feel that the Trek franchise by itself has been milked dry, ground up and reconstituted, then milked again...I think it would be good for "society" to have some kind of inspirational science fiction programming on television.
Right now it seems like the only thing pop culture is teaching kids to aspire to become is vampires.
Perhaps they might benefit from some awesome TV series about a US black-ops unit (Lets call it Project Helsing) Hunting Vampires in Afghanistan. That way the reports of US Atrocities can be Vampire killings...
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I'll admit it...I'm to blame for Enterprise. I wrote a fan letter to Paramount suggesting a series set pre Federation where numerous stories would be told about the various space ships called enterprise (from the Pre warp to the Kirk Enterprise) - because one day I was watching next gen and saw all the gold models of enterprises in the display cabinet in the ready room and thought what about their stories?
YOu could have an Enterprize explode in the Shipyards due to fundamentalist terrorism, an enterprize encounter a Borg (left adrift from First Contact), an enterprize jumps to warp and the entire crew are pulverized - inertial dampers failed.
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How would you guys feel about a new Animated Star Trek? I think it could be quite good (of course, I enjoyed the old one too).
If it's done remotely seriously, it could be awesome. Star Trek, simply by necessity, has been populated with 'aliens' that are humans with a bump or something on their forehead. With animation, non-humanoid crewmen (such as Arex, from the original animated series) become an option.
Heck, I'm shallow enough that I liked the animated Teen Titans (and the animated Legion of Super-Heroes even more!), so I'd be perfectly willing to convince the kids to watch a Starfleet Academy cartoon done in the Timm / DCU animated style, so that I'd have an excuse to watch it with them. I have no shame. I didn't take them to The Incredibles because *they* wanted to see it, after all. :)
Wow, that old series was so awful, that it goes back around and gets awesome again. It's been way too many decades, and I still remember M-Three-Green and 'T'charr, hereditary prince of the Skorr.'
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I want to see a Star Trek series based solely on the adventures of a Tamarian crew and directed by David Lynch. I imagine a typical scene on the show would go something like this...
Tamarian captain: Groktarg, where the owls wear suspenders. *flaps arms wildly*
Tamarian lieutenant: Remackugat, when the butter melted? *falls on the ground twitching*
Tamarian captain: Kokoschka and Fellini, how the west was won! *blows bubbles while riding a chariot drawn by midgets across the bridge*
and then the ship would explode and the screen would go all hazy and we'd see a scene of Isabella Rossellini snorting coke off the back of a dolphin wearing a monocle and eating a bowl of peaches.
and then the ship would explode and the screen would go all hazy and we'd see a scene of Isabella Rossellini snorting coke off the back of a dolphin wearing a monocle and eating a bowl of peaches.
Dude, I want to party with you.
Just watched the EARTH: FINAL CONFLICT series. Ronald Sandoval Character played by Canadian actor Von FLores carries the series. His roll as the increasingly villainous Ronald Sandoval carried the series like Bruce Lee's Kato carried the Green Hornet TV Serial.
The series died when they killed Boone. After Boone the series went down hill faster than a thing that goes downhill very fast.
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Just watched the EARTH: FINAL CONFLICT series. Ronald Sandoval Character played by Canadian actor Von FLores carries the series. His roll as the increasingly villainous Ronald Sandoval carried the series like Bruce Lee's Kato carried the Green Hornet TV Serial.The series died when they killed Boone. After Boone the series went down hill faster than a thing that goes downhill very fast.
Dude the series was dead from episode one. The instant it became a Haven of 'White post-Christian philosophy' asking questions about how humans think you find yourself with a minorty perspective.
The Baddy isnt the Aliens. Its the Disloyal Canadian-Asian Guy named Ronald Sandoval who had his little Pacific Island where all the people of his culture die at the hands of Aliens. And he is bad because he begins seeking revenge and is Disloyal to the US Government - and when he surrenders to be Tried in International Court in Toronto - Is abducted and tried in secret by the USA because they dont want their own crimes exposed who instantly cave in and surrender him back to the Aliens when they threaten to nuke Washington in the next ten minutes.
Sandoval may have been the Bad Asian Guy but all the 'Loyal white heroes' did nothing but get others killed and prop up the corrupt State.
Even the Final Episode was disgraceful. Asian Villain is murdered and the 'White heroes' decide to go off with the last surviving aliens to explore the Universe abandoning Earth to it's fate.
Sandoval Forever!
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Just watched the EARTH: FINAL CONFLICT series.The series died when they killed Boone. After Boone the series went down hill faster than a thing that goes downhill very fast.
Agreed. That show, IMO, was potentially *awesome,* but where Babylon 5 recovered kinda remarkably from the loss of the center-stage protagonist at the end of the first season (or, arguably, got even better, since, IMO, Sinclair had the chemistry of helium...), Earth: Final Conflict just fell apart. The new guy was deadly dull. I think they would have been better served to bump Lily up to main character, and developed Sandoval and 'Augur' more instead of introducing some new guy to occupy the Boone slot.
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There is a reason for that. Both Star Trek: The Motion Picture (The Slow Motion Picture to it's detractors)
Actually the more popular name was Star Trek: The Motion Sickness. I can understand why when Leonard Nimoy first saw the film screened, he was convinced that he'd hung up his ears for good.
Quite frankly out off all of them I consider only Wrath of Khan and the new Abrams movie to have any film value outside of the Star Trek label stuck on them. The others were mediocre at best, and wretched at worst.
Come on, ya gotta have some love for First Contact.
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There is a reason for that. Both Star Trek: The Motion Picture (The Slow Motion Picture to it's detractors)
Actually the more popular name was Star Trek: The Motion Sickness. I can understand why when Leonard Nimoy first saw the film screened, he was convinced that he'd hung up his ears for good.
Quite frankly out off all of them I consider only Wrath of Khan and the new Abrams movie to have any film value outside of the Star Trek label stuck on them. The others were mediocre at best, and wretched at worst.
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The Motion Picture, while no Wrath of Khan, is definitely one of my favorites. The blue space pajamas, IMO, were way, way cooler than the red velcro rippy-shirts from the 2nd movie. :)
But hey, I'm a Lovecraft fan, so I have a strong tolerance for slow movies. (Except 2001 and Close Encounters, which bored the living crap out of me, and made Star Trek: the Motion Picture feel like a frenzied thrill-ride...)
First Contact was definitely the best of the TNG based movies. Good humor (which is why Trek IV is one of my faves) and the Borg were best villians since the Klingons. The other TNG movies were 2 hour long episodes with better special effects.
As for Star Trek the Notion-less Picture...lets be honest. Rodenberry always had a similar problem to Lucas: Incredible ideas, but not the greatest writer. The Motion Picture's problem was it was all idea, no character development or dialouge worth paying attention. I remember when it came on cable as a teenager. I watched it two or three times just to study the ship for my own spaceships I used to design
I always thought it would be cool to have a Star Trek series called...
Star Trek: Chronicles
It would feature short stories in single or two-part episodes, and could be from anyplace in the Star Trek universe and at any time.
We could have episodes with some of our favorite actors/characters guest appearing for a single story... Or imagine a few episodes during the Dominion War, or the actual entire battle at Wolf 359.
The stories would be limitless.
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I always thought it would be cool to have a Star Trek series called...
Star Trek: Chronicles
It would feature short stories in single or two-part episodes, and could be from anyplace in the Star Trek universe and at any time.
We could have episodes with some of our favorite actors/characters guest appearing for a single story... Or imagine a few episodes during the Dominion War, or the actual entire battle at Wolf 359.
The stories would be limitless.
Ultradan
They could write it like a relay race. Plot elements from the previous show becomes the main plot for the next and so on, allowing the writers to still have an overreaching seasonal story and give more structure to the one off regular episodes.