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Just on maxing Bite attack damage
Improved Natural Attack
Sean Reynolds mentioned in another thread that in order for Furious mutagen to stack with giant form the alchemist would have to use giant form first then mutate. This wasn't an 'official' clarification but IMO a reasonable interpretation.
It would be interesting to see how far you could go building a grapple dedicated chymst. The dire lion has a lot of appeal for this. Pounce/ grab/ rake is 5 attacks at full BAB and you get free grab. You do have to use beast shape III in order to get rake but... you get to apply strength damage, and any bonus damage from amulet of mighty fists, greater magic fang, or brutality potentially 3 times each round. It's also a far smaller investment of feats.
Master chymst could grab the burly advanced mutagen which would work nice with any grapple build (+1/2 master chymst level to CMB).
Alchemical Allocation + Elixir of life. Feel free to die repeatedly.
Alchemical Allocation + Elixir of life. Feel free to die repeatedly.
just don't get cocky, and start playing like your invincible ;)
GM: that pool you just fell in kills on contact no save. You die, you a resurrected however still being in the pool you die again and are not resurrected.
it is however a nice way to avoid paying 25'000 every few days to always have its effect available.
Hmm... Strangely I don't think the "elixir of life" is an elixir in the more generic sense. It certainly isn't a wondrous item.
It's name overload. :( When you have all sorts of different substances you drink and you have to name them there is overlap.
Of course if your GM lets it fly... go for it.
Probably didn't dawn on them. However they didn't capitalize or italics elixir or potion at all in the spell description for AA. Seeing as you need to be 16th level, spend 25,000 gold, and DIE for this to have any effect, it seems ok.
The negative level isn't as much fun.
The negative level isn't as much fun.
restoration solves that minor anyoance
The negative level isn't as much fun.restoration solves that minor anyoance
On the spell list too boot! Nice.
Brewing a Potion for half cost, then diluting it to sell 2 copies seems pretty profitable.
I'm thinking of a stealthy poisoner who uses either King's Sleep poison to stage a suicide or the Potion to Poison and make it look like a snake bite.
you wouldn't make gold faster than if you'd gone out adventuring instead
but i guess if there's an in game break of 2-3 months you might argue the use with a GM and get some extra gold for your trouble.
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I am confused as to how the Gnome alternate class ability pyromaniac works. does this just help the save DC for the splash damage?
It seems to be damage only.
Gnomes with this racial trait are treated as one level higher ... when determining the damage of alchemist bombs that deal fire damage (this ability does not give gnomes early access to level-based powers, only affecting the powers they could use without this ability).
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I am confused as to how the Gnome alternate class ability pyromaniac works. does this just help the save DC for the splash damage?It seems to be damage only.
Gnomes with this racial trait are treated as one level higher ... when determining the damage of alchemist bombs that deal fire damage (this ability does not give gnomes early access to level-based powers, only affecting the powers they could use without this ability).
So the gnome would do 6d6 on their bombs at 10 th level instead if 11th?
Also, does this go away if the gnome changes the element type from fire to force? I ask as it would no longer have the fire descriptor.
So the gnome would do 6d6 on their bombs at 10th level instead if 11th?
yes
Also, does this go away if the gnome changes the element type from fire to force? I ask as it would no longer have the fire descriptor.
yes
Thanks for the help in understanding guys!
Do you think a party can survive with an alchemist istead of a sorcerer or wizard in the party? It looks pretty doable to me. So is it possible to make a stickied - delayed bomb? My gnome would find that very funny.
Just me, but I'd call an alchemist more of a bard replacement. He can do a great job at buffing and healing with his potions, and as either a mad bomber or a Mr. Hyde type he's great at fighting.
And thanks to The Ogre for the links in the OP. Those are some very helpful ideas.
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Alchy is a good replacement for the typical blaster wizard/ sorcerer. They aren't very good at battlefield control, though the smoke bomb chain can do a bit of area denial.
Alchemists obviously kick butt at dishing out single target pain and they are great at hitting people with status effects, Prone/ staggered/ etc.
Neither of my current groups have a wizard and we seem to get along ok.
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Thanks for the help in understanding guys!
Do you think a party can survive with an alchemist istead of a sorcerer or wizard in the party? It looks pretty doable to me. So is it possible to make a stickied - delayed bomb? My gnome would find that very funny.
Just me, but I'd call an alchemist more of a bard replacement. He can do a great job at buffing and healing with his potions, and as either a mad bomber or a Mr. Hyde type he's great at fighting.
And thanks to The Ogre for the links in the OP. Those are some very helpful ideas.
I'm not so sure I agree with bard replacement, the bard's party buffing nature is pretty unique.
Glad you enjoyed my guide.
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Ok, I'm trying to figure out smoke bombs... Do they deal damage in addition to the fog cloud? Originally I thought no, but the wording has me thinking they might. I know you couldn't stack it with acid or cold bombs, but do they do damage on their own?
Smoke bomb*: When the alchemist creates a bomb, he
can choose to have it create a cloud of thick smoke when
it detonates. The cloud functions as fog cloud, filling an
area equal to twice the bomb’s splash radius for 1 round
per level.
Now I understand that just because it detonates doesn't necessarily mean it has to deal damage, but it doesn't say it doesn't deal damage either. If you look at dispelling bombs,
Dispelling Bomb: When the alchemist creates a bomb, he
can choose to have it dispel magic effects instead of deal
damage. Creatures that take a direct hit from a dispelling
bomb are subject to a targeted dispel magic spell, using the
alchemist’s level as the caster level. This cannot be used
to target a specific spell effect. The alchemist must be at
least 6th level before selecting this discovery.
It specifies that it dispells instead of dealing damage. The smoke bomb doesn't. I was just wondering if there'd been any discussions on this. I tried searching, but didn't find anything.
will this continue to get love after ultimate magic?
Can Alchemical Allocation be used to re-use potions of Barkskin +5 and Shield of Faith +5?
Can Alchemical Allocation be used to re-use potions of Barkskin +5 and Shield of Faith +5?Sure. It can be used with any potion after all.
So every second level spell is a mega buff [assuming you have the time], cool!
So every second level spell is a mega buff [assuming you have the time], cool!Can Alchemical Allocation be used to re-use potions of Barkskin +5 and Shield of Faith +5?Sure. It can be used with any potion after all.
not only that with enhance potion discovery you can turn a CL3 barkskin into your CL barkskin potion
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not only that with enhance potion discovery you can turn a CL3 barkskin into your CL barkskin potionSo every second level spell is a mega buff [assuming you have the time], cool!Can Alchemical Allocation be used to re-use potions of Barkskin +5 and Shield of Faith +5?Sure. It can be used with any potion after all.
Considering that barkskin is on the alchemists list as a second level spell, that would be rather redundant. Unless the alchemist also has the Extend Potion discovery.
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@Glutton - I'll try and get a major revision in after Ultimate Magic is released. I suspect there will be a good number of new extracts and discoveries to explore.
@Stuart - Yeah lots of nice options for upgraded potions; elixirs are quite nice as well. I prefer potions which aren't available to alchemists for this use though.
@Glutton - I'll try and get a major revision in after Ultimate Magic is released. I suspect there will be a good number of new extracts and discoveries to explore.
@Stuart - Yeah lots of nice options for upgraded potions; elixirs are quite nice as well. I prefer potions which aren't available to alchemists for this use though.
mage armor springs to mind
also any potion of a level 3 spell can be had using a level 2 extract slot which is just good economy of slots
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mage armor springs to mind@Glutton - I'll try and get a major revision in after Ultimate Magic is released. I suspect there will be a good number of new extracts and discoveries to explore.
@Stuart - Yeah lots of nice options for upgraded potions; elixirs are quite nice as well. I prefer potions which aren't available to alchemists for this use though.
Mage armor is pretty situational for Alchemists since they get armor. Magic Circle against evil, and Nap Stack are a couple I like :)
One other oddity is potions aren't consumed so potions which have expensive material components are essentially free. I forget off the top of my head but a stoneskin potion is possible via early entry spells.
mage armor springs to mind@Glutton - I'll try and get a major revision in after Ultimate Magic is released. I suspect there will be a good number of new extracts and discoveries to explore.
@Stuart - Yeah lots of nice options for upgraded potions; elixirs are quite nice as well. I prefer potions which aren't available to alchemists for this use though.
Mage armor is pretty situational for Alchemists since they get armor. Magic Circle against evil, and Nap Stack are a couple I like :)
One other oddity is potions aren't consumed so potions which have expensive material components are essentially free. I forget off the top of my head but a stoneskin potion is possible via early entry spells.
I was more thinking, you camp for the night, wolfs attack,
GM: btw none of you are wearing your armor since you were sleepingAlchemist: pops a mage armor for isntant armor
as for stoneskin, arn't potions limited to 3rd level or lower spells ?
the other thign is if you were able to get a CL20 potion from loot then you could use it with AA so it never an out
e.g. CL20 greater magic fang is a +5 at whatever level your currently at.
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I was more thinking, you camp for the night, wolfs attack,
GM: btw none of you are wearing your armor since you were sleeping
Alchemist: pops a mage armor for isntant armor
Yes, like I said, situational.
as for stoneskin, arn't potions limited to 3rd level or lower spells ?
Take a look at the summoner's third level spell list. Some GMs will say no but *shrug* worth a shot.
the other thign is if you were able to get a CL20 potion from loot then you could use it with AA so it never an out
e.g. CL20 greater magic fang is a +5 at whatever level your currently at.
Yes.
I was more thinking, you camp for the night, wolfs attack,
GM: btw none of you are wearing your armor since you were sleeping
Alchemist: pops a mage armor for instant armor
Light armors can be worn while sleeping, which is what an alchemist is usually limited to
The Discoveries marked with an * don't stack. Does this mean you can apply, say , Smoke to a Fire Bomb but not Smoke and Stink??
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The Discoveries marked with an * don't stack. Does this mean you can apply, say , Smoke to a Fire Bomb but not Smoke and Stink??
Not sure what a fire bomb is, you mean just a normal bomb? You can apply smoke to a normal bomb, do primary damage, splash damage, and smoke.
Smoke and Stink do not stack but stink bomb has it's own cloud effect. The duration is only one round though.
Not sure what a fire bomb is, you mean just a normal bomb?
Yes
You can apply smoke to a normal bomb, do primary damage, splash damage, and smoke.
As Smoke bomb read "he can choose to have it create" does that mean that if you take Smoke as your first Discovery you may as well prepare all your bombs as Smoke because you could just turn off the smoke bit if it's going to be a problem?
Also, when using Precise Bomb with a Smoke Bomb would be better to select the enemies as "not in smoke" so the PC's [who are in Smoke] can freely hit them [assuming they are next to them]? Does that work, I mean, if you're in the edge of the smoke, do you suffer a penalty for attacking someone just out of the smoke?
As Smoke bomb read "he can choose to have it create" does that mean that if you take Smoke as your first Discovery you may as well prepare all your bombs as Smoke because you could just turn off the smoke bit if it's going to be a problem?
My understanding:
An alchemist's vials of catalyst are all identical. It's only once he spends an action turning it into a bomb that he actually chooses what type of bomb it will be.
I could be wrong, of course. But even if the vials of catalyst are different for different types of bombs, they're cheap and light and they last for years, so an alchemist could potentially have dozens and dozens of them available at any given moment.
Can the Alchemist add any spell via a scroll to his Formulae book, regardless of Class?