Well you can't Rapid Shot bombs. Only way to throw multiple bombs is the discovery later on.
A dip into fighter is useful for wearing full-plate and using a tower shield. Who cares that you get a -2 to attack when you're aiming at touch AC's.
If I remember correctly, you can't use Rapid Shot with alchemist's fire, either. That requires Quick Draw to work, but Quick Draw specifies that it doesn't work with alchemical items. About the best you can do is carry an alchemist's fire in each hand at all times so you can use Two-Weapon Fighting to throw two on the first round of combat.
This is not doable with bombs.
Creating and throwing a bomb requires a standard action that provokes an attack of opportunity.
You can only throw multiple bombs with the discovery.
An alchemist with this discovery can quickly create enough bombs to throw more than one in a single round. The alchemist can prepare and throw additional bombs as a full-round action if his base attack bonus is high enough to grant him additional attacks. This functions just like a full-attack with ranged weapon. An alchemist must be at least 8th level before selecting this discovery.
Perhaps going off on a tangent here, but have you considered an Alchemist who has discovered the wonders of Gunpowder and wanders around Profession (gunsmith), using his Craft (alchemy) skill to make gunpowder and using Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Firearms) feat to focus on his weapons of choice? Gives him a slight edge in damage, lets him focus on ranged attacks so he can throw a bomb in a pinch and not have to worry about attacks-of-opportunity and ties in well to the theme of the Alchemist as a soot-covered slightly-crazy inventor that Paizo has written them down as.
Naturally you're not going to have access to the weapons at 1, 2 or maybe even 3rd level, but the option is there, and the Profession skill ensures you can craft your own ammo. Personally, I would suggest the Rifle for long-range attacks, the Range Increments are staggering and the critical modifier is the best I've ever seen for a ranged weapon, and for 'close range', the Pistol would work great for an Alchemist, as it can be used one-handed without penalty, leaving you one hand free to grab for a formulae component, throw a bomb or flip the bird.
In core and even the Adventures Armory they aren't. Perhaps in PFS?
In Kobald Quarterly #13, there is a PF approved Arquebusier. There are rules and a list for using and creating guns and their ammunition.
Mebee someone should add that to d20pfsrd.com :3
Maybe that came out harsher than you meant it to. I really wasn't all that enamoured with rapid shot or guns anyway, I just wanted to know if it would work.
Curious that it hasn't come out yet as they're listed in the g*+~*&n Campaign Setting. Kind of like "Here, have a box of chocolate. But you can't eat the turkish delights, they're mine."
The Campaign Setting however was for 3.5. They haven't released the Pathfinder version of it yet so that might explain the disjunction.
The Campaign Setting however was for 3.5. They haven't released the Pathfinder version of it yet so that might explain the disjunction.
Wait ... what? So the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting is for ... 3.5? And this ... 'Frost' guy (apologies if he's some sort of God here, my Knowledge(religion) is almost non-existant) is blocking the Firearms?
Sooo ... what? We take a giant celestial eraser to the Grand Duchy of Alkenstar? This nation doesn't exist, period?
The Campaign Setting however was for 3.5. They haven't released the Pathfinder version of it yet so that might explain the disjunction.Wait ... what? So the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting is for ... 3.5? And this ... 'Frost' guy (apologies if he's some sort of God here, my Knowledge(religion) is almost non-existant) is blocking the Firearms?
Sooo ... what? We take a giant celestial eraser to the Grand Duchy of Alkenstar? This nation doesn't exist, period?
Campaign Setting it's in the 3.5 section of the store. It doesn't say the edition in the description but that's the one it belongs to.
Joshua Frost is basically the head of the Pathfinder Society. His word is law when it comes to PFS organized events.
I dunno about Alkenstar, but that just seems to be his take on items that are allowed in PFS play. There's a lot of stuff that's not allowed.
Could any of the magic traits be used on alchemist extracts?
Such as;
4 Gifted Adept: Your interest in magic was inspired by
witnessing a spell being cast in a particularly dramatic
method, perhaps even one that affected you physically
or spiritually. This early exposure to magic has made it
easier for you to work similar magic on your own. Pick
one spell when you choose this trait—from this point
on, whenever you cast that spell, its effects manifest at
+1 caster level.
Perhaps. Extracts are spells and they are "cast" by drinking. Also that's a fairly tame trait so I doubt a GM would say no.
Campaign Setting it's in the 3.5 section of the store. It doesn't say the edition in the description but that's the one it belongs to.Joshua Frost is basically the head of the Pathfinder Society. His word is law when it comes to PFS organized events.
I dunno about Alkenstar, but that just seems to be his take on items that are allowed in PFS play. There's a lot of stuff that's not allowed.
Bleh. Well that's one negative to a system to which I've found nothing but positives. Ah well we can't have everything then, can we?
To Robich: A pity the Mad Alchemist and Grenadier feat didn't make it into Pathfinder, that would have helped immensely with what you're trying to build. I'm going to go have a re-read of the rules on Throw Anything and see if there isn't some way to be able to work that into your plan.
Another thing to consider is that Formulae must be drunk to take effect, I believe, and unless you take the Discovery that allows you to throw multiple bombs (which can be problematic with a Moderate BAB, let me tell you!), that's not going to work overmuch. Still, with your bonus feat, may I suggest since Firearms are not applicable, Marital Weapon Proficiency (Longbow). Since you can apply poison with relative ease, stand back after throwing a smoke-bomb or a tangle-foot bag and put some Blue Whinnis-coated arrows into the enemy while the melee goes in for the kill.
Failing that, remember you can be very evil with contact poisons on door-knobs, assuming you have a round or two to put it on when the enemy can't see you (take cover behind the fighter while you put it on, then push the door open while not touching the door-knob, get everyone inside then shut it. Odds are the NPCs will reach for the handle and bamb, here, have a handful of Black Lotus Extract!) and other such shenanigans. Invisibility Formulae, sneak into the Hobgoblin camp, use a light brush to apply Nitharit to the hilts of all their weapons, dump powdered Wolfsbane into the stew and sneak out. 10 minutes later, saunter back in with the Elven warparty and deal with the Hobgoblins, most of whom would have suffered at least one hit from the poisons.
Campaign Setting it's in the 3.5 section of the store. It doesn't say the edition in the description but that's the one it belongs to.Joshua Frost is basically the head of the Pathfinder Society. His word is law when it comes to PFS organized events.
I dunno about Alkenstar, but that just seems to be his take on items that are allowed in PFS play. There's a lot of stuff that's not allowed.
Bleh. Well that's one negative to a system to which I've found nothing but positives. Ah well we can't have everything then, can we?
To Robich: A pity the Mad Alchemist and Grenadier feat didn't make it into Pathfinder, that would have helped immensely with what you're trying to build. I'm going to go have a re-read of the rules on Throw Anything and see if there isn't some way to be able to work that into your plan.
Another thing to consider is that Formulae must be drunk to take effect, I believe, and unless you take the Discovery that allows you to throw multiple bombs (which can be problematic with a Moderate BAB, let me tell you!), that's not going to work overmuch. Still, with your bonus feat, may I suggest since Firearms are not applicable, Marital Weapon Proficiency (Longbow). Since you can apply poison with relative ease, stand back after throwing a smoke-bomb or a tangle-foot bag and put some Blue Whinnis-coated arrows into the enemy while the melee goes in for the kill.
Alchies are proficient with crossbows, but being an Elf gives you the nice racial weapons as well as bonuses to your two most important stats! win win!
There are rumors of feats like that showing up in the Advanced Players guide.
Alchies are proficient with crossbows, but being an Elf gives you the nice racial weapons as well as bonuses to your two most important stats! win win!There are rumors of feats like that showing up in the Advanced Players guide.
I think he's going Human Alchemist for the Bonus feats, but an Elf Achemist would also work, and you're right the Elf stats match up great.
In case Robich wishes to remain Human, why not have the Alchemist take Rapid Reload (light Crossbow) and go to town? Also, hanging out that the Advanced Players Guide will have options that allow further customisation of the classes and/or fix the bugs with the classes now.
So I'm thinking of making a Human Alchemist, and I'm beginning to wonder if going Fighter for the first level wouldn't be a better idea than being a straight Alchemist.
My two cents: A level of fighter would go just fine with an alchemist. You can use a bow as a secondary weapon.