
Bitter Thorn |

Bitter Thorn wrote:I can't find a 1e group, gotta play something I guess.houstonderek wrote:TigerDave wrote:CourtFool wrote:You missed. I *AM* that grognard.TigerDave wrote:Maybe when I see some guy running 2e, and I walk past and see an elderly man behind the screen I won't make a nasty comment about grognards.Fixed for ya.Grognards think 2e players need to get off of their lawns.
Get offa my lawn.
The Paizo boars are an ironic place to have grognard discussions (IMO) since more than a few of us are here because we didn't drink the 4E Koolaid.
(no edition war derail please!)
Well, I like Hero, but who can find a group?

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Equal rights for players of all RPGs!!!!!
(Brief on-topic point of information:)
I really think it's time to start cleaning many laws off of the books. Black letter law and case law have a nasty way of accumulating in unmanageable ways. Sodomy laws (broadly defined) are a great example of this. In many jurisdictions lots of acts between consenting adults are unlawful. Inexplicably the courts have failed to strike down sodomy laws as unconstitutional, so they are still on the books, but they are almost never enforced. Why keep the laws on the books if we refuse to enforce them? There are far too many stupid laws to list, and they tend to keep piling up, but this is basically a political non issue for both sides of the debate.
They were struck down as unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court in Lawrence v Texas in 2003. Just thought you might find it interesting.

Bitter Thorn |

Equal rights for players of all RPGs!!!!!
(Brief on-topic point of information:)
Bitter Thorn wrote:I really think it's time to start cleaning many laws off of the books. Black letter law and case law have a nasty way of accumulating in unmanageable ways. Sodomy laws (broadly defined) are a great example of this. In many jurisdictions lots of acts between consenting adults are unlawful. Inexplicably the courts have failed to strike down sodomy laws as unconstitutional, so they are still on the books, but they are almost never enforced. Why keep the laws on the books if we refuse to enforce them? There are far too many stupid laws to list, and they tend to keep piling up, but this is basically a political non issue for both sides of the debate.They were struck down as unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court in Lawrence v Texas in 2003. Just thought you might find it interesting.
Good correction!
SCOTUS addressed laws singling out homosexual behavior for criminalization before Lawrence then addressed sodomy laws in a more general way through Lawrence overturning the idiotic Bowers decision.
Lawrence was huge, but many states have left their sodomy laws on the books and some states have tried to modify their sodomy laws to bypass the 2003 ruling. It frustrates me that many people who care about civil liberties think that the Lawrence ruling settled the issue. It didn't. Challenges to other laws will continue to rise through the courts, and they could result in a much more limited construction of adult sexual liberty. I don't think we will be going back to the days of criminalizing all homosexual behavior, but a lot of peripheral issues could see contraction if we don't continue to push back against idiocy like laws banning vibrators or the regulation of specific sexual acts.

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The Puritans and Catholics and various groups fled to the New World to get away from persecution in Europe. Then they started persecuting others for not being like them here in the US. Vicious spiral.
In the case of the Puritans, its a popular but not truly correct story.
The Puritans fled from England to Holland to avoid persecution that's true.
They fled Holland because Holland's tolerance of a variety of expression was starting to encourage their youth to chose a religion that wasn't as nutty as Six Point Calvinism. So actually in the latter case, they were fleeing from choice.

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Kruelaid |

Kruelaid wrote:Interesting.I only scanned this thread and missed some posts.... BUT:
The article linked in the OP was interesting, but if you read the hundreds of comments below, after the usual anti-homophobia rants, stuff starts to get interesting.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing how it was handled... but Clay might not be exactly who he is.
Yes, ladies and gentleman, there might be a simulacra of him created by an alien entity that smacks around his elderly lover now and then. Or not.