Hey guys, if you're going away for several days now would be a good time to let me know. Otherwise I'll just keep the game running as normal.
Happy holidays to everyone!
Happy Holidays to you and all the gang!
I should be able to post after hours, but I'll be on the road to see family most days after tomorrow. In other words, nothing really different from normal for me. ;-)
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Nice job Thalyn, that was very intense. Rana strikes me as a no nonsense kind of guy willing to do what it takes. Made me think about what Ka'kara would do and why and come up with her parents names on the fly. I can see that there will probably be quite a bit of an interesting dynamic between the two of them. She tends to be (in my mind anyway) a very intensely emotional person in the moment but doesn't hold grudges at all really.
And lastly, Happy ChristmaKwanzaHanukkuh to you all!
Before the group gets back to town, has anybody been keeping track of the loot?
Before the group gets back to town, has anybody been keeping track of the loot?
Uh-oh. I think I started to, but it seems like someone else offered to, and I stopped. I definitely stopped. If I dropped the ball, let me know and I will go back through the thread and inventory -- I should have some downtime with the holiday where no one is expecting me to be somewhere else. (ie, the significant other has to work and I don't!!!!)
How's this - if no one owns up before Friday, I will take a stroll down memory lane and generate a list.
It would be easier if we split up the list rather than you having to go through every post. I'm willing to jump in and go through half the posts.
In addition, I would like to say "Happy Holidays" to everyone.
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Nice job Thalyn, that was very intense. Rana strikes me as a no nonsense kind of guy willing to do what it takes. Made me think about what Ka'kara would do and why and come up with her parents names on the fly. I can see that there will probably be quite a bit of an interesting dynamic between the two of them. She tends to be (in my mind anyway) a very intensely emotional person in the moment but doesn't hold grudges at all really.
And lastly, Happy ChristmaKwanzaHanukkuh to you all!
Thanks! And thanks for not taking Rana's head off with that huge sword of Ka'kara's :). Rana is very good at being the antagonist. It's not intentional, he just wants to survive. It will be interesting to see how all the characters in our little party evolve.
While I don't want to harp on it, you're all great role-players and you should know that I appreciate it, even if I'm not commenting all over the place. But you deserve a hero point each (that means you get one). Seriously.
Also, everyone but Rana gets another hero point for taking the trouble to bring the crazed warrior to town.
It would be easier if we split up the list rather than you having to go through every post. I'm willing to jump in and go through half the posts.
In addition, I would like to say "Happy Holidays" to everyone.
I'll bull my way through and put what I find in my character sheet. Tag your findings with where we got them so we can compare intelligently and know where we overlap. I'm thinking pbp page and description (like "goblin's corpse in ghoul room") or some such. I really don't mind hammering through it all if you don't have time.
And I would also like to wish Happy Holidays to all, as well.
It would be easier if we split up the list rather than you having to go through every post. I'm willing to jump in and go through half the posts.
In addition, I would like to say "Happy Holidays" to everyone.
I'll bull my way through and put what I find in my character sheet. Tag your findings with where we got them so we can compare intelligently and know where we overlap. I'm thinking pbp page and description (like "goblin's corpse in ghoul room") or some such. I really don't mind hammering through it all if you don't have time.
And I would also like to wish Happy Holidays to all, as well.
OK, not sure I will be able to get through the whole thing, after all, but I'm through page 10 so far. Just don't have it on my sheet. I guess if you want to start around page 20, that would be approximately half, right?
Anyway, I'm sorry to say that I'm not finding much yet. But we knew that already, I think.
Roylenna's profile has what I've found so far through page 20. We really should put young Miss Hella to work -- we've got a lot of Appraise work to be done!
I don't think I will be any farther with this today, so anyone that wants to jump in is welcome!
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While I don't want to harp on it, you're all great role-players and you should know that I appreciate it, even if I'm not commenting all over the place. But you deserve a hero point each (that means you get one). Seriously.
Also, everyone but Rana gets another hero point for taking the trouble to bring the crazed warrior to town.
Whoohooo! I got hero points again! Got ta save em up for those hitpoint rolls :)
Speaking of hit point rolls, I've started thinking about my next level, and I'm torn - again - as to what class to take. At least I know it will be sorcerer or bard.
The obvious thing is to take another level of sorcerer, since she's the arcanist of the group, but the more I look at it, the less I like second level for the class. It's almost a dead level - she gets 1 more 1st-level spell per day, one more cantrip known, a boost to Will saves, and a BAB (finally!). The best thing going is her damage/healing of her Heavenly Fire gets a boost, too.
And so I look at the bard. Ditto on another 1st-level spell per day, but (hey, look at that!) she gets a new cantrip AND a new 1st-level spell known! Now, was that so hard? Plus boosts to two saves (Reflex and Will) and a BAB (and I say it again, finally!). Add the fact that she gets more than twice as many skill points, plus another use of her bardic music -- which I've been so stingy with that I haven't used it yet! I was hoping for a "natural" place for her to discover that particular talent, but I forget about it when the time comes.
Hmm, at this rate, she's going to be far more bard than sorcerer. Third-level bard looks better than second-level sorcerer, too. But I'd REALLY like to keep her somewhat balanced - and, no, I'm not talking about her personality. I think I'm going to just have to suck it up and alternate class levels -- or else she's going to end up being more bard than sorcerer pretty quickly.
Open for input, if you want to toss your 2 cp in and let me know what I'm missing... And the next question is what spell to pick up, if you have any suggestions there, let me know.
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Honestly, two half-casters are worse much, much less than one full caster, regardless of which class it is. If you're thinking you're liking bard better, then you should probably just grit your teeth and run with bard all the way, just pretty much ignoring your sorcerer level except for the heavenly fire you got. (shrug) That's the joy and pain off multiclassing casters - you have to stick with one and go, if you're planning to get the most out of them.
Honestly, two half-casters are worse much, much less than one full caster, regardless of which class it is. If you're thinking you're liking bard better, then you should probably just grit your teeth and run with bard all the way, just pretty much ignoring your sorcerer level except for the heavenly fire you got. (shrug) That's the joy and pain off multiclassing casters - you have to stick with one and go, if you're planning to get the most out of them.
Yeah, I know. It just seems like the sorcerer class is really great out of the gate, then not so much for a while. Quite a while, in fact.
Or maybe the bard has just improved that much that it's comparing better than the spontaneous arcanist. I don't know. I'm thinking I might strive for a 3:1 ration of sorcerer:bard levels or vice versa. I like to mix them, as you can tell. I'll play with it. I think her next level will probably be another of bard, though. Then I'll add the dead sorcerer level and go forward from there.
Would the Practiced Spellcaster feat be an option at some point, Black Tom? That would be a tempting choice...
Would the Practiced Spellcaster feat be an option at some point, Black Tom? That would be a tempting choice...
Yes, by all means. As adorable as Royl is, I'm a tad worried that you need a primary arcane caster. But we'll see how this works out.
On the other hand, one of my player claims that a halfling bard is unplayable, so I look to you to prove him wrong. ;o)
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Sandros' stats and backstory would both justify me multiclassing into wizard and then going eldritch knight, if that would be something the group would prefer to have happen.
If I were to go that route, BT, I'd probably want to ransack the Spell Compendium for spells appropriate to my character aims... is that cool?
If I were to go that route, BT, I'd probably want to ransack the Spell Compendium for spells appropriate to my character aims... is that cool?
Of course. I'll just adjudicate the spells on an individual basis. Some you can just pick, some you'll have to research and some are off limits. The same thing as goes for Proteus and Roylenna.
However, the most important thing is that you are cool with your character concept. Don't go that route if you don't feel like it.
Well, with Rana back, I have to admit, I'm beginning to think Sandros could use a different direction to go in for differentiation. Magic was nowhere near his original concept, but it would fit his background.
I'd probably make him a transmuter - I don't intend to make him stop being a rapier-swinging swashbuckler, but I could start throwing some magic in to go with the bladework.
What does everyone else think?
Well, with Rana back, I have to admit, I'm beginning to think Sandros could use a different direction to go in for differentiation. Magic was nowhere near his original concept, but it would fit his background.
I'd probably make him a transmuter - I don't intend to make him stop being a rapier-swinging swashbuckler, but I could start throwing some magic in to go with the bladework.
What does everyone else think?
I hope you are not doing this because of my indecision. I think it's cool and workable as a character concept - I like gish builds myself and am working on a similar transformation in my tabletop game. I was figuring you'd go the duelist route, actually.
BT, I think the fact that Roylenna has the ray attack gives her a definite edge over a straight halfling bard, but I can't see that the combination is unplayable. Sorry your player doesn't like it.
Having thought about it (and about party balance), I'm going to just suck it up and stay primarily a sorcerer. I'm thinking of one more bard level, but then concentrating on sorcerer from there on out.
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I hope you are not doing this because of my indecision. I think it's cool and workable as a character concept - I like gish builds myself and am working on a similar transformation in my tabletop game. I was figuring you'd go the duelist route, actually.
Well, yes and no. We do need a primary arcanist, and I do like gish builds - my character in BT's other game is something rather gishy, though I think he's likely headed for dragon disciple, assuming he lives so long. And no, Sandros as originally conceived was straight fighter, through and through, operating on the premise that you can make a swashbuckler - as a functional primary combatant, with damage output to make him worthy of the position - as a straight fighter in Pathfinder, something that is not true of either 3.5 or 4E. So far, I'm doing okay - Ka'kara certainly out damages Sandros when she hits, but Sandros tends to hit a lot more often, so I think it works out.
But if you aren't happy about being a sorcerer, Sandros' concept has room in it for a spellcaster turn - though I'd pretty much want to do it now if it is going to happen - and I think he could handle primary arcanist duties reasonably well if it came to that. So I wanted to back you up if you were taking a different path for Royl. It is, after all, a party we've got going here, not a bunch of individual characters.
I hope you are not doing this because of my indecision. I think it's cool and workable as a character concept - I like gish builds myself and am working on a similar transformation in my tabletop game. I was figuring you'd go the duelist route, actually.Well, yes and no. We do need a primary arcanist, and I do like gish builds - my character in BT's other game is something rather gishy, though I think he's likely headed for dragon disciple, assuming he lives so long. And no, Sandros as originally conceived was straight fighter, through and through, operating on the premise that you can make a swashbuckler - as a functional primary combatant, with damage output to make him worthy of the position - as a straight fighter in Pathfinder, something that is not true of either 3.5 or 4E. So far, I'm doing okay - Ka'kara certainly out damages Sandros when she hits, but Sandros tends to hit a lot more often, so I think it works out.
But if you aren't happy about being a sorcerer, Sandros' concept has room in it for a spellcaster turn - though I'd pretty much want to do it now if it is going to happen - and I think he could handle primary arcanist duties reasonably well if it came to that. So I wanted to back you up if you were taking a different path for Royl. It is, after all, a party we've got going here, not a bunch of individual characters.
It's not that I don't like the sorcerer. I chose the class, after all. It's just that pesky dead level - comparing taking the second level of sorcerer to taking a level of anything else that casts arcane spells makes the second level of sorcerer very unattractive. But I understand the argument about half-casters, too - Sor14/Brd6 is attractive as a compromise, but that only allows 7th-level spells for the sorcerer and second-level for the bard. If I was going to let her grow organically, so to speak, she would be more bard than sorcerer. But as I've heard, it is a party we've got going here, not a bunch of individual characters. ;-) I'll suffer through the Sor2 and keep my eye on the eventual prize of something that actually will do some damage consistently. And I have no concerns about a second arcanist in the group, if you still feel like it's viable for Master Highmount.
I have added the loot to Proteus' page. If you would like to combine it with your list so it's all in one place, that would be fine.
Also, I believe the pearl handled shortsword went with Grond to reequip us so that may not be with the group. Unless, of course, we find Grond.
As far as character's go, I'm happy with whatever you all decide. Both a fighter or another spell caster is fine with me. If Royl does want to go bard, then I think it would be entirely helpful for Sandros to jump in and go arcane spell caster. If she decides to stick with sorcerer then I think it best for Sandros to stick with fighter. But, again, I think you should go with whatever you feel fits with your character the best. Especially with Rana and Ka'kara front lining, I think we don't have to really worry about power in the group. The choices may make combats harder, but this group hasn't really been taking the strong arm approach (which I like and find very refreshing).
I will say that I am also having a conundrum with my decision for next level. I would really like to take a level of monk to give me more utility, but second level spells are awfully tempting. Any thoughts, any one?
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I will say that I am also having a conundrum with my decision for next level. I would really like to take a level of monk to give me more utility, but second level spells are awfully tempting. Any thoughts, any one?
We can probably hold out on 2nd level spells for a level if you want to grab your monk level now. Are you planning to try for something like sacred fist at some point?
I will say that I am also having a conundrum with my decision for next level. I would really like to take a level of monk to give me more utility, but second level spells are awfully tempting. Any thoughts, any one?We can probably hold out on 2nd level spells for a level if you want to grab your monk level now. Are you planning to try for something like sacred fist at some point?
I agree with Shisumo, but I'm not exactly the person to ask about whether multiclassing is a good idea. ;-)
My plan at this point is to take sorcerer levels at least until she's got access to second-level spells. But I'm almost as chaotic as she is, so that may change. :D
Ooh, prestige class. Maybe I should be investigating possibilities -- I think there are a couple of arcanist/bard options in the Complete series...
Sacred fist would be great. Has Paizo published such a beast?
Sacred fist would be great. Has Paizo published such a beast?
Not that I know of, but it shouldn't be too hard to update.
For the record, I'm thrilled at the thought of Sandros as a wizard, but I'm fine with whatever decisions you make.
I have added the loot to Proteus' page. If you would like to combine it with your list so it's all in one place, that would be fine.
Done. But I don't have any way of knowing where your loot was located, page-wise, so I don't know if there is overlap (doesn't look like it) or if we missed something completely. Thoughts?
I have added the loot to Proteus' page. If you would like to combine it with your list so it's all in one place, that would be fine.Done. But I don't have any way of knowing where your loot was located, page-wise, so I don't know if there is overlap (doesn't look like it) or if we missed something completely. Thoughts?
I didn't realize you had done that when I started doing mine. I can probably go through it again tomorrow and list some page numbers. It really didn't take that long the first time.
I didn't realize you had done that when I started doing mine. I can probably go through it again tomorrow and list some page numbers. It really didn't take that long the first time.I have added the loot to Proteus' page. If you would like to combine it with your list so it's all in one place, that would be fine.Done. But I don't have any way of knowing where your loot was located, page-wise, so I don't know if there is overlap (doesn't look like it) or if we missed something completely. Thoughts?
What page did you start on? I stopped at the bottom of page 20.
What page did you start on? I stopped at the bottom of page 20.
I started at the top of 21. I'll have page numbers tomorrow.
I started at the top of 21. I'll have page numbers tomorrow.
What page did you start on? I stopped at the bottom of page 20.
We should be good, then. You said you thought the jeweled shortsword left with Grond -- let me know of any other items that you know have been handed out or discarded. I'm not certain how many of the kobold crossbows went with him, for example, and I know that Roylenna squirreled away some bolts, but won't know without looking -- if you are looking anyway, you'll probably find them faster than I.
Thanks for the help. It sounds like you are doing most of the work, though. That was not my intent in asking for help.
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I will say that I am also having a conundrum with my decision for next level. I would really like to take a level of monk to give me more utility, but second level spells are awfully tempting. Any thoughts, any one?
I personally would recommend staying straight cleric with Proteus. The benefits you will recieve next level are tremendous. Remember that your Channel Positive Energy goes up to 2d6. You get second level spells (Resist Energy (acid) will go a long way to defeating both the Imp and the Dragon). And, of course, At 4th level you get your next Domain powers which tend to be really nice (so you'll be closer to that). Splitting a clerics levels tends to have a dramatic effect on their ability to do "cleric-y" things (though I think this holds true for ANY spellcaster thus the conversation about Roylenna splitting her levels too much).
My 2 cents.
P.S. I also support all "roleplaying" choices whether they are effective or not :) I'm a sucker for a good story....
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I think the only thing Ka'kara has taken for herself at the moment was the Masterwork Studded Leather Armor. She is carrying (and not above using if the need arises) the crazy fighters greatsword also (she doesn't intend to keep it at all, just until we drop him off). So, I don't think she has ended up with anything else (even any coins we have found - maybe she can stay in the inn if someone already split the coins). Oh, and she currently has the everburning torches (if anyone asks her she'll hand them one).
P.S. According too BT we got 6 everburning torches not 4 WoRsT (per page 37).
If you're going to Warwik (as I assume) you will be able to unload all the non-magical loot at standard 50% prices (excepting the kobold crossbows, for which you get 40%). If someone of you would be so kind as to go to the trouble to sift out the magical or valuable items, I'll post their value (and magical properties).
Ok, I have made the changes that everyone saw and reflected page numbers. I think the only thing I have magical is the potion that was found in the mausaulea and the everburning torches. Would you mind moving the corrected list to yours, Royl?
I think the only thing Ka'kara has taken for herself at the moment was the Masterwork Studded Leather Armor. She is carrying (and not above using if the need arises) the crazy fighters greatsword also (she doesn't intend to keep it at all, just until we drop him off). So, I don't think she has ended up with anything else (even any coins we have found - maybe she can stay in the inn if someone already split the coins). Oh, and she currently has the everburning torches (if anyone asks her she'll hand them one).
Thanks for the input, Arioch. I think you are right that benefits are probably worth it right now to stay cleric. I am sure that I will take a level of monk at some point since I like the sacred fist idea, but it will probably only be one level.
Ok, I have made the changes that everyone saw and reflected page numbers. I think the only thing I have magical is the potion that was found in the mausaulea and the everburning torches. Would you mind moving the corrected list to yours, Royl?
The mausoleum potion is of Cat's Grace and the second ghoul had a potion of Protection from Evil. Assuming you give Vladoff back his equipment, that may be your only magical treasure so far.
BT, I have grezzo's bracelet, a gold symbol of a lightening bolt and a small pearl on my list that I need values for.
Everyone,
I have taken the items Rana requested and applied them to him on the list. The rest of the loot on my page looks to add up to about 355 gp without including any of the everburning torches. Those are worth 55 gp each, so I'd suggest we sell any that we don't want. I think we need to see if we can purchase some healing potions rather than running around with a bunch of everburning torches.
Also, if anybody wants anything, if they'll let me know and I can move it to them on the list.
BT, did you see Proteus' request to the priest on the bottom of page 39?
BT, I have grezzo's bracelet, a gold symbol of a lightening bolt and a small pearl on my list that I need values for.
The bracelet is worth 15 gp, the gold symbol 45 and the pearl 25.
See the last post for the high priest's response.
That brings our total up to 415 without the everburning torches and the pearl from Hella since she hasn't expressed an interest in selling.
Ka'kara will keep two of the everburning torches as she has no other light source herself. I tend to think any character without darkvision (other than Proteus and Roylenna since thay both have at will light spells I beleive) should carry at least one everburning torch.
I'm not trying to talk anyone out of taking an everburning torch, but we can buy a healing potion with each one we sell, and Proteus is sure their value will be put to better use if we have potions. We also have a sunrod that can be used instead of the everburning torch as the resale is much lower (of course, it only lasts 6 hours).
And if Sandros takes a magic level, that should free one up. ;)
Royl, feel free to include any items that Proteus had in his possession to be appraised by Hella and placed in the common fund.