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Although it's not quite as cut and dried as "just part of progression." Because Golarion itself isn't built for epic level play, really. When we do Epic, we need to also figure out where epic level characters can find regular challenges. The obvious answer is "the outer planes" but it could just as easily be "another planet" or even "another continent."
Many epic level characters have decided to venture into the last great frontier, the Dark Tapestry. Very few have ever returned, and none have ever returned with their minds intact. It would seem that whatever happened to Dou-Bral was among the more benevolent things that can happen if one ventures too far from the relative safety of the Golarion system.
As far as I can tell, an Epic book falls squarely between an Asian themed book and Savage Species, with Asian Adventuring being more popular and Savage Species being less popular.Whether or not it would actually be profitable at all is a big part of why we haven't tried yet, to be honest. The fact that producing high/epic level content takes more time and more work yet, according to ALL of our market research and anecdotal feedback and overall customer feedback won't appeal to as many customers (more work for less reward) makes it a tricky topic to design for.Is it more appealing than say an Asian theme hardcover or a Savage Species type book. I would think Epic would match those in popularity no?
Thats interesting. If I was to guess, I would have gone Epic, Savage Species and Asian in that order. But you would know better than I
The Oriental Adventures hardbound book was definately AD&D (ie First Edition) not Second Edition. We actually played quite a bit of Oriental Adventures D&D back then and loved it!
yes it most certainly was. It was a great Gygax book. I played it some and liked it
I found the ninja concept interesting but ultimately didnt like that concept of a hidden class
I think OA was one of those "stealth" Gygax books, i.e. it had his name on the cover as if he wrote it, but it was actually a Dave "Zeb" Cook "production."
Thats interesting. If I was to guess, I would have gone Epic, Savage Species and Asian in that order. But you would know better than IAs far as I can tell, an Epic book falls squarely between an Asian themed book and Savage Species, with Asian Adventuring being more popular and Savage Species being less popular.Whether or not it would actually be profitable at all is a big part of why we haven't tried yet, to be honest. The fact that producing high/epic level content takes more time and more work yet, according to ALL of our market research and anecdotal feedback and overall customer feedback won't appeal to as many customers (more work for less reward) makes it a tricky topic to design for.Is it more appealing than say an Asian theme hardcover or a Savage Species type book. I would think Epic would match those in popularity no?
My solution again? All three at once: Epic Oriental Savages. ;P
I'm just gonna drop here that as far as my tastes go, it'd be an Oriental Book, then a Savage Book, then an Epic Book. I've found combat begins to become almost completely unwieldy and breaks down around 15th level. Epic just doesn't sound like something I'd want to play.
There's an established fan-base already interested in Asian Adventures stuff, to the point where I wouldn't really call it a niche at all.
Yeah, I've noticed that, just like I've noticed a gigantic second group that has a similar fascination for Arabian-themed stuff.
That's why I just griped about it - it would be silly requesting that it not happen, since clearly there's a huge, unfathomable market for such things :)
Just make the Epic field of play the Orient. Done! ;)
NOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!
Every time I scroll past this thread my brain reads it as: "What's Up with NPC Guide? No High-Heels?"
I guess people only see what they want to see. :)
Who says there's no high heels in the NPC guide? Check out Shensen ... you KNOW those are stiletto boots.
And Vorn looks like he might not be against giving them a try, given how he's showing off his legs :)
Just make the Epic field of play the Orient. Done! ;)NOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!
I can understand your initial reservations, but surely now that you see the potential for all epic level play taking place on a continent of Asian monster characters, you're on board?
I can understand your initial reservations, but surely now that you see the potential for all epic level play taking place on a continent of Asian monster characters, you're on board?
I'm a level 12 vice-president.... MECHA-GODZILLA!!!
My solution again? All three at once: Epic Oriental Savages. ;P
you may have just offended an entire region
The Savage Species people?
Not to mention a Epic level Book would be setting neutral and wouldn't need to be tied to anything. Support adventures afterwards would need some tie-ins but thats what other planets and the planes are for.
I like this idea. I'd like to see it happen.
I can understand your initial reservations, but surely now that you see the potential for all epic level play taking place on a continent of Asian monster characters, you're on board?Just make the Epic field of play the Orient. Done! ;)NOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!
Oh. Wait... What???
Um. Yes, yes I do believe that I am.
Well, perhaps *against* a continent of Colossal+ monsters. Gotta find a colossal Godzilla figure somewhere (and dig out that Godzilla link).
Ah, here we go:
+1
I for one like the NPC guide. Thou epic is a waste at my table, a book that helps with feat choices and spell lists would be great, and some equipment lists for the next levels up to help fill out my NPCs that would be wondering around.
A tool box of mid level could save me a lot of time. A few ways I can see it being made:
-A list of monstrous NPCs around the world that are higher Challenge rating
-same format but part two leaning on 4-7 generic NPCs and level 6-11 full write up NPCs.
-Some full write ups, and a tool box of paths/premade regional options
-screw NPCs give me Asian Adventures NOW XD
For me, the fascination is more or less due to Akira Kurosawa.
I think there could be more to it than that ... BUT even that statement alone can be telling. One could argue Kurosawa has a rather 'influential' following.
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For me, the fascination is more or less due to Akira Kurosawa.I think there could be more to it than that ... BUT even that statement alone can be telling. One could argue Kurosawa has a rather 'influential' following.
I wouldn't stop with those directors. Kurosawa's style is SO influential on movie making that his movies, even though they were made half a century ago in some cases, feel almost like they were made yesterday due to the way he stages things and uses the camera. AKA: Kurosawa = Awesome.
We're getting rather off-topic here, can we use this thread for discussing the NPC guide and direct the Asian/epic/psionic debate to one of the other dozen threads about that?
hehe, I was going to say some thing like "yeah i like the NPC guide and what are you people talking about?" but the above mention off topics where interesting.
We're getting rather off-topic here, can we use this thread for discussing the NPC guide and direct the Asian/epic/psionic debate to one of the other dozen threads about that?
Thank you Sean. In fact, I would suggest that we end this thread. Epic will not get attention for a few years and we have to deal with the reality of it. On another note Sean, how much can I pay you to create some high-level unbelievably powerful NPCs that vex my characters? J/K. Thanks James for your input on my post.