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So, wait, if I'm understanding this correctly, Frerezar wants to show parallels between
a.) some people trying to game the system and failing
and
b.) the facts that teenage suicide is ten times higher among gay youth, homelessness is much higher, there have been multiple instance of torture and murder of gay people, gay people are second-class citizens
???
Simple, you said that the fact that latinos werent treated i any way harshly and like second class citizens made my ideals of tolerance hollow.
I presented scenarios (like the minutemen that you failed to address) to show you that you were wrong.Racism is all over and comes in all shapes or forms, and to say ¨I´ve got it worse than anyone¨ is not a good excuse for not trying to free yourself from intolerance and resentment. Which is all I advocate, DONT LIVE YOUR LIFE WITH SUCH BURDEN, I advice it as a fellow human being more than anything else.

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So, in risk of tangenting this thread off to somewhere else, can you explain this one to me...
[Inserting question into Pathfinder to make it semi justified for this board =]
Some famous chef in, Magnimar, got in trouble for saying that a small village to the north, Sandpoint to be precise, had a great "Cat Stew" (Translated).
All manner of people got upset, mainly pet owners, about how this was cruel and how he should be dethroned as a master chef.
I have been a vegetarian since I was eleven, which happens to be close to three decades ago, and I thought this was, ridiculous (not my exact thought but close =).
How can people complain that eating a cat is any less wrong/right then eating a cow or chicken?
At dire threat of double highjacking anyone else enjoy cow and chicken in the day?

Moro |

So, in risk of tangenting this thread off to somewhere else, can you explain this one to me...
[Inserting question into Pathfinder to make it semi justified for this board =]
Some famous chef in, Magnimar, got in trouble for saying that a small village to the north, Sandpoint to be precise, had a great "Cat Stew" (Translated).
All manner of people got upset, mainly pet owners, about how this was cruel and how he should be dethroned as a master chef.
I have been a vegetarian since I was eleven, which happens to be close to three decades ago, and I thought this was, ridiculous (not my exact thought but close =).
How can people complain that eating a cat is any less wrong/right then eating a cow or chicken?
At dire threat of double highjacking anyone else enjoy cow and chicken in the day?
Cows and chickens don't have cute faces. Haven't you heard? Only the cutesy animals are worth fighting for.

LilithsThrall |
Lilliths Thrall wrote:So, wait, if I'm understanding this correctly, Frerezar wants to show parallels between
a.) some people trying to game the system and failing
and
b.) the facts that teenage suicide is ten times higher among gay youth, homelessness is much higher, there have been multiple instance of torture and murder of gay people, gay people are second-class citizens
???
Simple, you said that the fact that latinos werent treated i any way harshly and like second class citizens made my ideals of tolerance hollow.
I presented scenarios (like the minutemen that you failed to address) to show you that you were wrong.Racism is all over and comes in all shapes or forms, and to say ¨I´ve got it worse than anyone¨ is not a good excuse for not trying to free yourself from intolerance and resentment. Which is all I advocate, DONT LIVE YOUR LIFE WITH SUCH BURDEN, I advice it as a fellow human being more than anything else.
As I understand it, the people shooting at illegals aren't minute men. The Minute Men are a specific organization. Rather, the people doing the shooting are other groups.
According to the news articles I've read, many (maybe even most) of the incidences involving people getting killed involved illegals attacking either people who lived nearby (or trying to steal their cars or the like) or attacking Border Patrol (forex. throwing rocks at them when they are caught). Also, MS-13 has put out death warrants on Border Patrol and the Minute Men. I've noticed that it is common for people to be accused of killing illegals only to be found innocent once the trial was finished (often acting in self defense).The border is a very tense place, but most of the attacks aren't racist in origin - they are attacks associated with somebody trying to break the law and getting caught (sometimes by citizens who aren't better trained).

LilithsThrall |
So, in risk of tangenting this thread off to somewhere else, can you explain this one to me...
[Inserting question into Pathfinder to make it semi justified for this board =]
Some famous chef in, Magnimar, got in trouble for saying that a small village to the north, Sandpoint to be precise, had a great "Cat Stew" (Translated).
All manner of people got upset, mainly pet owners, about how this was cruel and how he should be dethroned as a master chef.
I have been a vegetarian since I was eleven, which happens to be close to three decades ago, and I thought this was, ridiculous (not my exact thought but close =).
How can people complain that eating a cat is any less wrong/right then eating a cow or chicken?
At dire threat of double highjacking anyone else enjoy cow and chicken in the day?
I think because cats are pets?
Which is actually kinda funny. On a farm, a cow can be a pet right up until it's filet mignon.

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Yep that clearly sounds like a group that has no issues, silly me for thinking there was anything wrong with that.
And I am pretty sure Texan law is particularly strong when it comes to unishing a fellow citizen for shooting ¨in self defence¨ just one more mexican. However I will not go around spewing disdain or anger towards them, it´s just not healthy and won´t make the world any better. I advice doing the same.

LilithsThrall |
Yep that clearly sounds like a group that has no issues, silly me for thinking there was anything wrong with that.
And I am pretty sure Texan law is particularly strong when it comes to unishing a fellow citizen for shooting ¨in self defence¨ just one more mexican. However I will not go around spewing disdain or anger towards them, it´s just not healthy and won´t make the world any better. I advice doing the same.
Texan law allows shooting in self defense of anyone, not just Mexicans. That law is hardly discriminatory.

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Ahhh... The cuties face defense.
See to the jaded perspective of a vegetarian, and most ghouls, meat is meat =)
(Says the person who has seven cats, two dogs, a tarantula, and a snake... Should the bomb fall, I will definately convert to the meat side and get my revenge for all the turd and barf over the years =).

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One of the nurses I work with grew up on a farm and told me her mother had a way with the animals. She would call them all "baby" and they would follow her anywhere. Even to the chopping block and the butchers... And they say dnd players are naughty =)

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Decrepit DM wrote:Yes... Yes... Hmmmm... Uh huh... I totally agree with everyone above.
Anyone for some Dnd? =)
Only if you want to put your soul in jeopardy.
Heathen.
Now Pathfinder, on the other hand...
*raises hand*
Pathfinder right here!!!!
PICK MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

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One of the nurses I work with grew up on a farm and told me her mother had a way with the animals. She would call them all "baby" and they would follow her anywhere. Even to the chopping block and the butchers... And they say dnd players are naughty =)
I guess calling your cow "baby" is better than calling your baby a cow.

Mirror, Mirror |
Ahhh... The cuties face defense.
"What are you?"
"I'm an otter.""What do you do?"
"I'm cute, furry, and do cute human-like things with my hands."
"Aww, you're so cute. You're free to go"
*checks list*
"Ok cow, on the truck."
"But, but, I'm a 'moo' cow..."
"Yeah, and I'm wearin' your sister. On the truck!"

LilithsThrall |
One of the nurses I work with grew up on a farm and told me her mother had a way with the animals. She would call them all "baby" and they would follow her anywhere. Even to the chopping block and the butchers... And they say dnd players are naughty =)
I think you have to have spend some time on a farm before you can write a good splatter story (eg. Texas Chainsaw Massacre or Hostel).

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My son came home last week and told me one of the kids in his class did an informative speech on DnD and one of the topics he hit was "... and then there are those times you spend three hours on an encounter and the PC's bypass it or ruin it in three seconds."
Definitely the mark of someone who has been there and done that =).
I started working on a new campaign, was hip deep in backstory and details, when I just shook my head because I knew it was fruitless. So I scribbled three micro sentences down and moved on =).

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So law should be changed on opinion... mmm.
Oh and those ¨reports¨ of those shots being in self defence or accident are more bogus than the water powered car, first hand info beats news channel.
So I see bigotry where you see law, and you see bigotry where I see law. I guess to be able to coexist we need then understanding the other person´s point of view, too bad you seem helbent against that.

LilithsThrall |
So law should be changed on opinion... mmm.
That's what judges do - you know that right?
Oh and those ¨reports¨ of those shots being in self defence or accident are more bogus than the water powered car, first hand info beats news channel.
All of them or just some of them? Which ones exactly? Was the proof provided in court? If not, why not? And what is your evidence anyway?

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There is more then just a little S&M tendedancies in player and DM relationships. A good DM can inflict just enough pain to make him happy and keep them coming back for more =)

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People living their lives for you on TV
They say they're better than you and you agree
He says "Hold my calls from behind those cold brick walls"
Says "Come here boys, there ain't nothing for free"
Another doctor's bill, a lawyer's bill
Another cute cheap thrill
You know you love him if you put in your will
Who will save your soul when it comes to the flower
Who will save your soul after all the lies that you told, boy
Who will save your soul if you won't save your own?
We try to hustle them, try to bustle them, try to cuss them
The cops want someone to bust down on Orleans Avenue
Another day, another dollar, another war, another tower
Went up where the homeless had their homes
So we pray to as many different God's as there are flowers
But we call religion our friend
We're so worried about saving our souls
Afraid that God will take His toll
That we forget to begin
Who will save your soul when it comes to the flower
Who will save your soul after all the lies that you told, boy
Who will save your soul if you won't save your own?
Some are walking, some are talking, some are stalking their kill
You got social security, but that don't pay your bills
There are addictions to feed and there are mouths to pay
So you bargain with the Devil, say you're OK for today,
You say that you love them, take their money and run
Say it's been swell, sweetheart, but it was just one of those things
Those flings, those strings you've got to cut,
So get out on the streets, girls, and bust you butts.
Who will save you soul when it comes to the flower
Who will save you soul after all the lies that you told, boy
Who will save your soul if you won't save you own?

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This has reached a point where any logic has become futyle and just provocation of agression.
But before walking away I just have to say that I disagree with a position based on ¨we homosexuals have sufferend and suffer more than others, and that gives us the right to hate those ho hate us¨.
There is no excuse to (andnothing productive comes out from) be filled with resentment, intolerance and hate. regardless of whichever side of this conservative vs liberal thing that consumes the US you are. I am just really glad it´s not part of my life anymore.

Blackerose |

I was waiting for Jack to show up!
Who is Jack Chick you youngters ask? Why the guy who brought us Chick Tracks, of course!
They STILL are handing those freaking things out, you know..

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Give me the sense to wonder
To wonder if I'm free
Give me a sense of wonder
To know I can be me
Give me the strength to hold my head up
Spit back in their face
Don't need no key to unlock this door
Gonna break down the walls
Break out of this bad place
Can I play with madness - the prophet started at his crystal ball
Can I play with madness - there's no vision there at all
Can I play with madness - the prophet looked and he laughed at me
Can I play with madness - he said you're blind too blind to see
I screamed aloud to the old man
I said don't lie don't say you don't know
I say you'll pay for your mischief
In this world or the next
Oh and then he fixed me with a freezing glance
And the hell fires raged in his eyes
He said do you want to know the truth son
- I'll tell you the truth
Your soul's gonna burn in the lake of fire

LilithsThrall |
This has reached a point where any logic has become futyle and just provocation of agression.
But before walking away I just have to say that I disagree with a position based on ¨we homosexuals have sufferend and suffer more than others, and that gives us the right to hate those ho hate us¨.
There is no excuse to (andnothing productive comes out from) be filled with resentment, intolerance and hate. regardless of whichever side of this conservative vs liberal thing that consumes the US you are. I am just really glad it´s not part of my life anymore.
To be clear, I've never said that gays have suffered more than anyone else. I've pointed to slavery and what happened to the Native Americans as both examples that gays have not had it worse than.
My point is that telling someone not to be resentful when the existing system treats them as second-class citizens is shallow and patronizing advice unless one has walked in their shoes.

Urizen |

Give me the sense to wonder
To wonder if I'm free
Give me a sense of wonder
To know I can be me
Give me the strength to hold my head up
Spit back in their face
Don't need no key to unlock this door
Gonna break down the walls
Break out of this bad placeCan I play with madness - the prophet started at his crystal ball
Can I play with madness - there's no vision there at all
Can I play with madness - the prophet looked and he laughed at me
Can I play with madness - he said you're blind too blind to seeI screamed aloud to the old man
I said don't lie don't say you don't know
I say you'll pay for your mischief
In this world or the next
Oh and then he fixed me with a freezing glance
And the hell fires raged in his eyes
He said do you want to know the truth son
- I'll tell you the truth
Your soul's gonna burn in the lake of fire
\m/ My #1 band of all time.

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If you feel that advice should only come from those who have it bad, then you either can only accept advice from those who you truly deeply know, or are a psychic. In any case don´you think if someone feels so strongly about tolerance and lack of resentment it has to be for a reazon? (let´s say experience)
Ironically enought what you inply is that only a bashed gay man or a former slave can give you advice on handling resentment and anger, and even then you´d need proof I guess of that happening to them. That is called double standarts, and can be as bad as bigotry.

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Maiden anecdote: When my boy was little he was an avid reader. Then when he got to midgrades they developed this Accelerated Reader program at the schools and I watched in horror as it destroyed his will to read. Mid-highschool rolls around and my son was just wrapping up his SOAD phase and wanted a new band. I told him he should try Maiden. He did, he liked it, and to my utter pleasure, I watched him get back into reading again because of all of the literary tie ins to the music. The End =)

LilithsThrall |
In any case don´you think if someone feels so strongly about tolerance and lack of resentment it has to be for a reazon? (let´s say experience)
No, I don't. It's easy to feel strongly about tolerance and lack of resentment if your belief in tolerance and lack of resentment has never been seriously tested. Most people believe in tolerance and lack of resentment and have never been in a position where that has to be seriously tested (and I'm not just talking about failing to game the system). Their advice reads like a fortune cookie.
Ironically enought what you inply is that only a bashed gay man or a former slave can give you advice on handling resentment and anger, and even then you´d need proof I guess of that happening to them.
That's not what I said. You should read back.