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We were playing last night and a question came up regarding a Liberation domain ability.
I have a cleric of Desna with the liberation domain and I am 8th level. First off is using the domain granted powers of Liberation they are (Su) abilities. The question is what action to use them are they? According to rules on pg. 186 "Supernatural abilities (Su) is usually a standard action(unless defined otherwise by the abilities description). It is pretty clear but looking at other domain granted powers, some say standard action in the text. It just seems that there is an arguement they can be swift or free actions to use.
The other question is using the granted power at 8th level Freedom's Call. The situation is that 3 party members are grappled by Dire Bears. On my turn i use my granted power from the Liberation domain "Freedom's Call". It states I emit a 30' aura of freedom. In that aura allies are not affected by the confused, grappled, frightened, panicked, paralyzed, pinned or shaken conditions. It suppresses them for 8 rounds (if i choose to go that long). Alright, with that said, on the players next turn are they still grappled and have to make a roll to break it or can they do normal actions? Meaning move away from the grapple (and since they do there is no grappled condition anymore so are not grappled), use full attack actions, cast spells normally, etc.
I thought they just errataed that?
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Without seeing errata this is how it should work, I believe.
As soon as your Cleric used that ability, all allies within range are no longer Grappled. They are still Grappling though, which simply means they are still wrestling around, just that neither side has the upper hand, and each can opt to stop Grappling at that time.
Furthermore, all allies that are in the area, can not be Grappled or Pinned. It automatically fails. They can, however, Grapple and/or pin their target, so need to remain in the grappling conditioned, thety just can't lose the upper hand.
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Let me say this, instead.
Grappling is the condition that all participants in the grapple have applied to them. It simply means they are engauged in a Grapple Manuver with one or more other opponents.
Grappled is a special Condition as oppossed to Grappler. The Grappled is on the losing end at this point, but not yet pinned.
The Grappler controls the Gapple (minorly), and is able to break it off if they want to. The Grappler also has the moption to attempt to Pinn the opponent, while the Grappled does not.
In addition, a cleric gains the listed powers from both of her domains, if she is of a high enough level. Unless otherwise noted, activating a domain power is a standard action. Cleric domains are listed at the end of this class entry.
The level 1 ability effect occurs automatically, which means not activation is necessary. The level 8 ability must be activated as a standard action.
I'd see it as giving your allies a free action to make an escape artist check with automatic success. Meaning that if they don't get away from the bears, they'd still suffer from grab-induced damage. But they can sidestep the grapple and still full-attack.
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I thought they just errataed that?
Yes they did thanks! I thought i had all the erratas in my book, I didnt.
As far as the grappled effect we went with you were not grappled. It just seems to me that if you are not in the grappled condition, you are not grappled. I am sure some will disagree with it but that was the ruling we went with at the time. The only other thing was that this effect seems like a cross between the spells Freedom and Freedom of Movement. I would like to have seen it as being able to use the effects of the spell freedom of movement for 1/rd per level. Mind you, Freedom is WAY more powerful of spell and that would be nice as well. The thing is I will always have Freedom of Movement as a 4th level domain spell anyway as I took Liberation and Luck on my domains.
So the text states
"You have the ability to ignore impediments to your mobility. For a number of rounds per day equal to your cleric level, you can move normally regardless of magical effects that impede movement, as if you were affected by freedom of movement."
So I'm assuming you escape from any grapple.
At 8th level
"Allies within this aura are not affected by the confused, grappled, frightened, panicked, paralyzed, pinned, or shaken conditions. This aura only suppresses these effects, and they return once a creature leaves the aura or when the aura ends, if applicable. These rounds do not need to be consecutive."
So if the grapple effect is "suppressed" what happens if he moves out of the monster's reach? Does he automatically shift back into the grappling creatures arms? This is confusing