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Ok random question, How many players loot every thing in an adventure ?
What I'm talking about is Weapons, Ammo, Armour and of course Art/Goods (I.E Rugs, Tapestries, Statuettes etc.)
The reason l ask is that l thinking about a new Halfling PC that is going to be a bit of a Kleptomaniac, she deals with it by looting everything she can when she is adventuring, This is all so what drived her to a life as an adventurer
Back in 2ed I had a Fighter/Thief that literally stripped entire dungeons of everything. Literally, everything. He kept multiple bags of holding and portable holes, tools, and a heavy cart parked by the dungeon door which he used to haul away anything that looked to even be remotely valuable, or that might look good in his house. Statues, giant iron-bound doors inlaid with silver and gems, tapestries, furniture, stone fountains, you name it, he'd gank it. If it wasn't nailed down he'd snag it, if it WAS nailed down, he had a crowbar, rope, and winches.
LOL!!!!!!! OMG! ROFLCOPTER!!!! Thank you for the old school Oregon Trail reference!
Remember this: a raging barbarian can carry a pretty massive load, so use the buddy system when looting! You pack, he carries!
The only time we don't loot everything is if one of our players is a paladin. You don't really need a raging barbarian. Just bring a dwarf.
I was DM and the party had just defeated a dragon and were bound and determined to haul off every last copper of the dragon's hoard. They bought heavy strongboxes by the dozen to hold all of the coins, several wagons and carts to haul the strongboxes, etc. When they later figured it all up, they lost money getting all of the copper out of the dragon's lair, but each one of them said it was worth it to leave the dragon's cave bare.
The real key to cleaning out a dungeon is the necessary use of tools and storage devices. Use the Scout's motto...always be prepared.
The only time we don't loot everything is if one of our players is a paladin. You don't really need a raging barbarian. Just bring a dwarf.
Just bring a druid. Load it down before it uses wild shape then load it down again in the form of a quadruped animal.
I think you should try to convince your GM to let you have the Pathfinders Chronicler's Deep Pockets ability (perhaps as a feat, or just at a lower gp amount).
This would nicely symbolize your stealing random stuff in towns.
On the other side, I think he should make secret pick pocket rolls for you, whenever you are going around in town (especially market places or shops), since being a kleptomaniac, you aren't really aware of what you are doing in the moment.
This might add some lovely scenes, where you are caught stealing without you knowing what you've stolen.
Do we really need Pathfinder Kender?
Yes
bags of holding are your friend. I have been in 2 campaigns where we had 6 bags of holding III between the party and we still needed to track the weight and space everything was taking up. We were pretty much carrying entire buildings in those bags. We took everything that wasnt nailed down, removed the nails and took that too.
Playing a Kender is automatic expulsion from the table.
Do not pass 'Go'.
Do not collect two hundred gold pieces.
Racist...Playing a Kender is automatic expulsion from the table.
Do not pass 'Go'.
Do not collect two hundred gold pieces.
He's a poodle. He wants to be the silliest thing at the table.
He's a poodle. He wants to be the silliest thing at the table.Racist...Playing a Kender is automatic expulsion from the table.
Do not pass 'Go'.
Do not collect two hundred gold pieces.
Seconded
He's a poodle. He wants to be the silliest thing at the table.
In my games, I am the silliest thing at the table.
How do you exterminate Kender?
Invade villages with armies? That is a great boost to the kender economy.
Scare them away? Fearless
outnumber them? Good luck you'll get grappled! (and robbed)
Send in armies of undead?
Don't you know that at least one kender in a band has a +5 ghost touch, returning, slingstone of disruption (that he did not know he had!).....Why all the hate for kender must be the NPCs rather than the PCs...
No, Kender must be exterminated. (As a matter of fact, halfling rogues are pretty much delegated to enemies in my campaigns. Anyone even SUGGESTING the idea of a kender-like character is booted from the group. Permenantly.)
Tasslehoff was a great character concept. To suddenly make the entire race into Tasslehoff ruined it for me.
So, all kender must die. Killing a kender isn't a crime, it's your civic duty.
Kill a kender today. Preferably by beating him to death with a non-evil drow. (Especially if it's a non-evil drow ranger). Then burn the evidence, just to be sure.
Kender are fun... I once played in an all Kender adventuring party...
It was like watching a group of ADD Border Collies on speed try to herd a fire hydrant.
Kill a kender today. Preferably by beating him to death with a non-evil drow. (Especially if it's a non-evil drow ranger). Then burn the evidence, just to be sure.
Reminds me of the beginning of the Webcomic Goblins... lol The non-evil drow ranger part.
Why all the hate for kender must be the NPCs rather than the PCs...
In my case, it is because kender have been the race of choice for the guy who wants to be a jerk to everyone else at the table and hide behind 'in character' excuses. Of course when the party turns on the kender 'in character', suddenly that's not fair.
In my case, it is because kender have been the race of choice for the guy who wants to be a jerk to everyone else at the table and hide behind 'in character' excuses. Of course when the party turns on the kender 'in character', suddenly that's not fair.
True, but the kender would just be third on the podium of annoying characters.
The second guy on the podium would be the paladin, the player thinking he's got a license to be a tyrant of morality.And the very first, at the top of the podium, would be the CN character, thinking he's got a license to play a psychopath, with no respect for the group or his fellow players, and can play a CE character while not flashing on detect evil radars.
I have been lucky in that I have not had to deal with too many Paladins and I do not think any of them were played as Lawful Stupid.
I hate Kender just because my wife plays them soooo well, its annoying. She's like a kender in a womans body anyway so when she plays the damn things...........
And yes she does play the stereo-typical kender, but no in an @rse way. She doesnt do stuff just to annoy the party or me as DM, its just here kenderisms that make it hard for me. But she is funny and fun when she does play them, dont tell her I said that :)
In my case, it is because kender have been the race of choice for the guy who wants to be a jerk to everyone else at the table and hide behind 'in character' excuses. Of course when the party turns on the kender 'in character', suddenly that's not fair.
This.
Hate. Kender.
CourtFool said stuff Joshua agrees with.This.
This is definitely a sign of the Apocalypse.
Who are you again?
Who are you again?
That is just cold…even for you.
LOL
I'm trying to remember if I ever disagreed with you. So I checked to see if I'd ever banned you. Nope.
In my case, it is because kender have been the race of choice for the guy who wants to be a jerk to everyone else at the table and hide behind 'in character' excuses. Of course when the party turns on the kender 'in character', suddenly that's not fair.True, but the kender would just be third on the podium of annoying characters.
The second guy on the podium would be the paladin, the player thinking he's got a license to be a tyrant of morality.
And the very first, at the top of the podium, would be the CN character, thinking he's got a license to play a psychopath, with no respect for the group or his fellow players, and can play a CE character while not flashing on detect evil radars.
I agree with third and First.
almost all of the paladins I've played with have actually been pretty cool. They are big on keeping their word and obeying just laws. They never try to break the law, but they understand when a law is just evil. (Good always trumps law for most of them).
And they tend to lead from the front. In the present campain, we have:
CG Fighter Rogue
CG Spellblade Rogue
NG (I think) Divination Wizard
NG Hedge Witch
CG Barbarian
LG Paladin (Skillum)
Skillum always takes the lead (even with the recent additon of the barbarian) and he always looks out for the rest of the party. Surprisingly, he's one of the less arrogant members of the party. (He likes the fact that he's the brick, and he loves his Smite Evil, but the two rogues are often more...egotistical.)
But I can see where a paladin has a lot of room for abuse.
I have seen way too many paladins, try to control the rest of the group because of their perceived morals. We end up roleplaying the rogue or wizard doing certain things when the paladin is sleeping. The player feels like he's being left out but its his fault, he chose to play a prick of a paladin.
The chaotic neutral character who thinks he can do anything he wants is just as bad. Its basically a way to be evil inside the rules. I say lock them both in a room and leave them there.
The basic point is many character types can be abused, from race, to class, to alignment type. If you want to ban something, ban people who have a lack of respect for other players, not character concepts (unless they are over powered, and can't be geared down) Playing a kender who is fearless doesn't mean he wont ever back down from a fight. Not being afraid is different from not knowing your gonna loose. being inquisitive is not a bad thing and not relegated to kender. I have seen mages who fiddle with everything trying to learn what it is and how it works. They want to talk with the dragon about its form of magic. Kender can be serious (not often but not never) and aren't stupid. As for being a klepto, we all understand it's a real issue that people deal with and it's not fun. being blind is not fun yet people will be playing blind or deaf oracles. This in no way means we are disrespecting people with the limitations, in fact, i look at it as celebrating these people and adding to the thought that they can be contributing members or a party and society. I'm sure that somewhere a deaf or blind person plays pathfinder or DnD and makes their character the same as them, just so the deaf dwarf can kill the dragon and win the princess. let kender pc's steal things without knowing, even from players, but if it's a weapon, make sure they realize it before battle starts. yes, it's gonna cause issues in town, but a good chance for some RP and plot hooks. If players are ok with it, even let kender have a small chance to sometimes end up with an item a pc needs, but give the same small chance that he/she grabs that wand from the enemy mages hip when he was flanking her.
same small chance that he/she grabs that wand from the enemy mages hip when he was flanking her.
FYI
You are speaking of the fighting art of the Kender Handler calledfive-fingered fighting
I know have a vision of a kender inquisitor. not sure how that works, but it's now stuck in my head. or sorcerer with a kender bloodline!