So you have a Monk (level irrelevant) that is slinging an @ssload of shurikins using Flurry of Blows. He expends a Ki point to tack on one more attack (a-load +1). Can he use the Rapid Shot feat to make it a-load +2?
Please note - I'm aware that the -2 to Hit on every shot due to Rapid Shot might make this an 'iffy' tactic. I'm just wondering if it is possible according to the rules OR (as with Two Weapon Fighting) the feat doesn't work with Flurry of Blows.
Thanks!
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This should work, nothing preventing it.
Also, two-weapon fighting and rapid shot can stack as well.
You could even melee flurry (with an extra -2), 5' step back and throw a shuriken.
Thanks for the confirmation, folks.
This should work, nothing preventing it.
Also, two-weapon fighting and rapid shot can stack as well.
You could even melee flurry (with an extra -2), 5' step back and throw a shuriken.
huh?! Does this really work? Can I plan to do a full round of attacks, take a -2 to hit on all of them, 5' back and throw my sword at the other guy? Can I use this tactic with a great sword of returning? I desperately need the answer to this question. Thanx!
So you have a Monk (level irrelevant) that is slinging an @ssload of shurikins using Flurry of Blows. He expends a Ki point to tack on one more attack (a-load +1). Can he use the Rapid Shot feat to make it a-load +2?
Please note - I'm aware that the -2 to Hit on every shot due to Rapid Shot might make this an 'iffy' tactic. I'm just wondering if it is possible according to the rules OR (as with Two Weapon Fighting) the feat doesn't work with Flurry of Blows.
Thanks!
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No you cannot do what you just described in the same round. Rapid shot requires a full-attack action with a ranged weapon to use. Making a flurry of blows also takes a full-attack action to trigger.
You cannot make 2 full-attack actions in the same round.
No you cannot do what you just described in the same round. Rapid shot requires a full-attack action with a ranged weapon to use. Making a flurry of blows also takes a full-attack action to trigger.You cannot make 2 full-attack actions in the same round.
Rapid shot is not an independent full-attack action. INSTEAD it can be combined with full-attack actions such as flurry of blows or manyshot.
Also, if monk could flurry with arrows, he could combine manyshot+rapid shot+flurry of blows+ki attack. =D
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So you have a Monk (level irrelevant) that is slinging an @ssload of shurikins using Flurry of Blows. He expends a Ki point to tack on one more attack (a-load +1). Can he use the Rapid Shot feat to make it a-load +2?
Please note - I'm aware that the -2 to Hit on every shot due to Rapid Shot might make this an 'iffy' tactic. I'm just wondering if it is possible according to the rules OR (as with Two Weapon Fighting) the feat doesn't work with Flurry of Blows.
Thanks!
Edited a typo
No you cannot do what you just described in the same round. Rapid shot requires a full-attack action with a ranged weapon to use. Making a flurry of blows also takes a full-attack action to trigger.
You cannot make 2 full-attack actions in the same round.
From the PRD:
Rapid Shot (Combat)
You can make an additional ranged attack.
Prerequisites: Dex 13, Point-Blank Shot.
Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using Rapid Shot.
Since it does not say, "As a full-attack" but "when making a full-attack action" I would rule that it is okay.
edit: Bah, ninja'd :)
Ah, makes sense now. You would have some major negatives though, although you would have a ton of dice rolls.
It has been made clear that FOB cannot be combined with TWF, as TWF is inherent to FOB.
In most respects Rapid Shot is similar to TWF and I imagine it is not intended for use with FOB. Of course this will need confirmation by designers.
A full-attack can however combine ranged and melee attacks in any way the used weaponry allows. For a character fighting with unarmed strike this allows for a lot of interesting combinations (though most will not go with FOB due to the monk weapon restriction).
Also, if monk could flurry with arrows, he could combine manyshot+rapid shot+flurry of blows+ki attack. =D
FOB does not work with bows or arrows.
It has been made clear that FOB cannot be combined with TWF, as TWF is inherent to FOB.
In most respects Rapid Shot is similar to TWF and I imagine it is not intended for use with FOB. Of course this will need confirmation by designers.
I have no problem with shuriken being an exception to this - the whole idea of them is hurling a cloud of the things as rapidly as possible, and it's not as if they inflict a lot of damage. In fact it makes them the one decent ranged weapon a monk can carry.
FOB does not work with bows or arrows.
Also, if monk could flurry with arrows, he could combine manyshot+rapid shot+flurry of blows+ki attack. =D
It was a joke. Carry on
FOB is a special ability that requires full-attack action to use it. None of the other abilities (TWF/Rapid Shot/Many Shot) other than Ki pool can affect it.
I understood that FOB was the equivalent of TWF. If Rapid shoot can stack with TWF, it should stack with FOB.
Rogue.
Not really. Getting a full round of sneak attacks with ranged weapons isn't easy. And the surprise round only allow standard actions.
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I would say since Rapid Shot explicitly states:
"when making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon"...
that you could not use it if you melee in the same round. It seems pretty clear it wants you to make all your attacks as ranged attacks in order to trigger rapid shot, so melee is out.
There is nothing keeping you from using a full attack FOB, taking a 5 foot step back switching to shuriken and throwing them using the remaining attacks. Say you have 4 attacks with FOB, you could make two of them unarmed, 5foot step back, whip out your shuriken throw two of them, use your Rapid shot, expend your Ki point and get 2 extra hits.
There is nothing keeping you from using a full attack FOB, taking a 5 foot step back switching to shuriken and throwing them using the remaining attacks. Say you have 4 attacks with FOB, you could make two of them unarmed, 5foot step back, whip out your shuriken throw two of them, use your Rapid shot, expend your Ki point and get 2 extra hits.I would say since Rapid Shot explicitly states:
"when making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon"...
that you could not use it if you melee in the same round. It seems pretty clear it wants you to make all your attacks as ranged attacks in order to trigger rapid shot, so melee is out.
I agree with you, excpet for the rapid shot, you need a full-attack action with a ranged weapon for that.
copy/paste :
"when making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon"...
It seems pretty obvious
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copy/paste :
"when making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon"...
It seems pretty obvious
I had a long thought out well written post in response. But the forums ate it. So in short I will just state that you are interpreting that as "when making a full-attack action with only a ranged weapon..." instead of what it really says.
You can in fact apply rapid shot in this case to add another attack but you will of course have to pay the requisite -2 to each hit.
copy/paste :
"when making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon"...
It seems pretty obvious
I had a long thought out well written post in response. But the forums ate it. So in short I will just state that you are interpreting that as "when making a full-attack action with only a ranged weapon..." instead of what it really says.
You can in fact apply rapid shot in this case to add another attack but you will of course have to pay the requisite -2 to each hit.
I agree with this.
In any case, the shuriken *are* ranged weapons so ... where's the confusion?
Ranged Weapon? Check
Flurry = Full Attack? Check
-2's on all "to hit rolls"? Check
Terrible Range Increment? Check
Generally bad idea w/terrible aim/accuracy penalties? Check
If a monk takes the Rapid Shot, he needs PB Shot first (ie: 2 feats deep, not cheap for a monk, and at specific sacrifice to his melee capabilities). It's a significant investment, and it works just fine meeting all requirements of useage ... *why* on earth do you want to screw them over? In yet another fashion??? This is like a minimum monk level 5 to make happen ... given it'll always be 1d2+str damage for them ... this hurts. A lot! If they have the Dex mod to make it work, then their melee/str damage will be low. If they're designed ala: Treantmonk's guide and are all Str, they will have problems on the "to hit" due to lesser Dex rating. It's *a* tactic, but hardly the most broken.
For the Rogue - he'll need the feats stated above, AND he'll need Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken (only monks get it off the bat). Let's assume this guy *is* attacking at 30' (limit of his PB range and SA or whatever to apply), that's -4 to hit off the bat, add rapid shot, it's -6 to hit. Sure, it's within PB shot range, so *really* only a -5. that hurts quite a bit ... let's give the rogue a +4 dex mod (18 dex) and he can toss at -1 to his already lower BAB values ... not all that likely to hit much at all.
It's *slightly* better "to hit" wise for the monk as he can use the flurry values for bab vs. his base bab. It's still not much better, though - probably worse, honestly as he's lunlikely to have the high dex the Rogue has to offset his "to hit" problems.
{maybe in the cinematic scenes the ninja, etc throw so many shuriken because they know most won't hit a darn thing?}
If a monk could flurry with a weapon like a longbow, then it'd be worth doing as as an archer build. With shuriken? no, not really.