Studpuffin |
Studpuffin wrote:Aw, so you guys didn't have fun? :( :( :(Treppa wrote:alleynbard wrote:I don't think I confirmed one last night, but I still love the breath-holding tension between the call "Critical threat!" and the confirmation roll. "Does a 12 hit you?" "No! Phew!"
When I roll crits I enjoy giving my players this face that says "I'm sorry for your troubles but I can't wait for my creature to rip the flesh of your character." :)Not what I heard at the table, except maybe the first time. It was actually more like, "Sigh... again?!" "does a 12 hit you?" "why the large discrepency is attack rolls?"
If I hadn't seen your rolls, I'd have doubted!
Didn't say that, just saying that bad luck (not the GM's fault) is often one of the things that will kill a game for someone. I had fun overall, but it was really up and down at points. The statue was too much for us at level one (with hardness 8, no one could damage it at all except the fighter), and the goblins should've been mince meat but we had such poor rolls that it started getting deadly (you almost took out the fighter who took toughness twice in that fight). The fight with the brigands was about right.
Studpuffin |
Naturally, if everyone is rolling terribly, even that little bit of assistance may not be enough. :) But if it does work, then the wizard gets to gloat how the fighter needed him to fight effectively. ;)
It wasn't enough, though. We had set up flanks and had bardic music going each round for a +9 (+1 BAB, +4 str, +1 focus) to hit at level one and our fighter would roll a 4 or a 5 and just miss. Also, in a room that small you have to be able to move and threaten an opponent for aid another to work. There just wasn't room. Baddies thrashed us.
alleynbard |
Treppa wrote:Didn't say that, just saying that bad luck (not the GM's fault) is often one of the things that will kill a game for someone. I had fun overall, but it was really up and down at points. The statue was too much for us at level one (with hardness 8, no one could damage it at all except the fighter), and the goblins should've been mince meat but we had such poor rolls that it started getting deadly (you almost took out the fighter who took toughness twice in that fight). The fight with the brigands was about right.Studpuffin wrote:Aw, so you guys didn't have fun? :( :( :(Treppa wrote:alleynbard wrote:I don't think I confirmed one last night, but I still love the breath-holding tension between the call "Critical threat!" and the confirmation roll. "Does a 12 hit you?" "No! Phew!"
When I roll crits I enjoy giving my players this face that says "I'm sorry for your troubles but I can't wait for my creature to rip the flesh of your character." :)Not what I heard at the table, except maybe the first time. It was actually more like, "Sigh... again?!" "does a 12 hit you?" "why the large discrepency is attack rolls?"
If I hadn't seen your rolls, I'd have doubted!
Was there someone in the party who could energy damage to the statue? A spellcaster of some sort?
Did the terrain provide any interesting ways to handle the statue without attacking it outright?
I don't normally slide something like that in a low-level adventure without the ability to bull rush off a cliff or the opportunity to drop a chandelier on its head or some such thing.
Not that I am saying you did a bad job Treppa. Just mostly curious and providing my thoughts on the matter. I am sure you are a kick-ass GM.
Studpuffin |
Was there someone in the party who could energy damage to the statue? A spellcaster of some sort?
Yeah, but Ray of Frost or Acid splash was it for the mage.
Did the terrain provide any interesting ways to handle the statue without attacking it outright?
Twas a long, narrow room (I think 7x3 squares) with the only entrance staggered just left of center of the length of the room. Baddies had opposite corners and middle occupied. 9 opponents in room, by my count. No room to maneuver, really.
I don't normally slide something like that in a low-level adventure without the ability to bull rush off a cliff or the opportunity to drop a chandelier on its head or some such thing.
Treppa is still essentially a first time GM. She's run mostly canned things, it's still new to her building encounters. Part of the purpose was to test CR on the party too.
Not that I am saying you did a bad job Treppa. Just mostly curious and providing my thoughts on the matter. I am sure you are a kick-ass GM.
Treppa is the best GM i've ever had run for me, and that's saying a lot. She'll only get better with time. We had a stretch of bad luck, that's not her fault.
Urizen |
Jack Hammer wrote:Not at all, any dice she touches as GM are hot! I've never seen someone roll so consistently high! She's like a crit machine!Treppa wrote:The mens' dice were cold as ice!Do you really need a lesson on how to warm a man's dice? ;)
Dice are the only superstition I hold. If I mail a couple, do you think she can spread her mojo on them, roll 'em out, and then send them back to me so I can take a ride aboard that karma train? choo-choo!
Urizen |
@ Woodraven:
Sorry to hear you are feeling down. You'll find the right girl. You could ask a friend to double date, sometimes it really helps to have a wingman. I don't really have many friends either, but my acquaintences are usually happy to go someplace casual with a date, even if it isn't really a "date".
As for the meds, I'm not trying to shove anything down your throat, but I do speak from experience. Recently I was told that I have Aspergers, which is a mild form of autism. I agreed to try anxiety medication to deal with some of the more troublesome aspects of the disorder. Of course, it didn't cure Aspergers, but it certainly helps with some of the other problems. I can now drive, which I was never able to do before and I am better able to get along with others. My mood doesn't fluctuate nearly as much either. I was initially against the idea, having had bad experiences with meds, but I have no side effects. Taking a pill in the morning isn't so bad, I take vitamins anyway. If that's what it takes to function better, no biggie. Lots of people are on lots of types of medication for life. At least I don't have to stick myself with a needle.
Not to be nosy, but what medication are you taking for Asperger's? One doctor tried to take me down that route, but a lot of my idiosyncracies have more to do with the fact that I've been hearing impaired for most of my life. Recently took Celexia to deal with anxiety and while it works, it amplified ADHD which was never prevalent before. So, we're scaling that back down and see what happens next before switching to something else. Ever since I had gastric bypass and complications thereof from it, it seemed to have affected me at a psychological level by screwing with my serotonin in/uptake. Combined with the fact that I'm very sensitive to those class of drugs and chronic depression is hereditary on the maternal side and schizophrenia on the paternal, I/we tread such grounds carefully.
alleynbard |
Quote:I don't normally slide something like that in a low-level adventure without the ability to bull rush off a cliff or the opportunity to drop a chandelier on its head or some such thing.Treppa is still essentially a first time GM. She's run mostly canned things, it's still new to her building encounters. Part of the purpose was to test CR on the party too.
Quote:Not that I am saying you did a bad job Treppa. Just mostly curious and providing my thoughts on the matter. I am sure you are a kick-ass GM.Treppa is the best GM i've ever had run for me, and that's saying a lot. She'll only get better with time. We had a stretch of bad luck, that's not her fault.
Indeed, it is not her fault and I don't think I was insinuating that. I only said what I said to insure she knew I was not questioning her judgment nor the manner in which she ran the encounter. I have an accute understanding how the written word can be misinterpreted. I was just getting a read on the encounter while discussing what I tend to do in those situations.
Testing CR is something that needs to be done, even for long time GMs. I know I also throw in occasional tests to see where the party actually sits in relation to their average party level.
Studpuffin |
Studpuffin wrote:Indeed, it is not her fault and I don't think I was insinuating that. I only said what I said to insure she knew I was not questioning her judgment. Just getting a read on the encounter.
Quote:I don't normally slide something like that in a low-level adventure without the ability to bull rush off a cliff or the opportunity to drop a chandelier on its head or some such thing.Treppa is still essentially a first time GM. She's run mostly canned things, it's still new to her building encounters. Part of the purpose was to test CR on the party too.
Quote:Not that I am saying you did a bad job Treppa. Just mostly curious and providing my thoughts on the matter. I am sure you are a kick-ass GM.Treppa is the best GM i've ever had run for me, and that's saying a lot. She'll only get better with time. We had a stretch of bad luck, that's not her fault.
Ah, sorry. That was directed toward her, mostly. She's worries that we don't have fun. It was a fun evening, just one that contained a great amount of frustration. :P
Testing CR is something that needs to be done, even for long time GMs. I know I also throw in occasional tests to see where the party actually sits in relation to their average party level.
I do a lot of this in my head when I first see a monster, but I've also run so many that certain abilities become immediate indicators. Character levels and make up are the main determiner for me. Since we were first level and were mostly armed with rapiers, hardness 8 is probably too much unless said enemy is very weak and we've got some buffs to play. The CR of said creature was maybe right if the "perfect" party was there to fight it, but it was actually much higher because of the party make up not being "perfect" for the given encounter.
Treppa |
Not that I am saying you did a bad job Treppa. Just mostly curious and providing my thoughts on the matter. I am sure you are a kick-ass GM.
I take no offence, nor did I take that implication. I used this sidequest mostly to play with difficulty, numbers, abilities, lighting, poison, and room layout. Our group is relatively new to Pathfinder, so it was a voyage of discovery for all of us. I want everyone to be familiar with the system by the time we get to the meat of the adventure so we don't waste a lot of time looking things up.
I made the statue immobile so it couldn't pursue and terrorize. It simply guarded a door (threatening 2 squares of the entry path) and bonked anybody adjacent who didn't address it properly. The caster picked away just fine, but it took some time with 1d3 spells. The fighter could damage it but once he'd had a couple bad rolls, he walked away, leaving the people who could not hurt it nearby, and leaving the party split between the corridor and the room. Doing it over, I'd skip the stone CP and choose a different one to allow more people do damage. Live and learn. But it was not designed to seriously threaten the party. The group could have moved past it once its AoO was spent, and part of the party tumbled past it anyway. <shrug>
Studpuffin |
The group could have moved past it once its AoO was spent, and part of the party tumbled past it anyway. <shrug>
The only two who couldn't (the bard and mage) would've dropped and they had no acrobatics ranks... and the fighter had yet to reveal he had POTIONS TO USE instead of letting the bard spend the only healing spells on him. Besides, without the healing and with the rogue and ranger at 1 hp, we'd have been dropped if we failed our acrobatics checks back out. It just wasn't something anyone wanted to risk, and I know you don't want to kill our whole party on the 2nd session! We wouldn't have spent so much money on the AP if you did!
alleynbard |
alleynbard wrote:A 1st level house party? That's not going to raise the roof up in da hissle foshizzle. :pUrizen wrote:Speaking of party level ... what level is yours going to be when you finally move into your new abode and need to break it in? :)I am going to start at 1st level.
Oh...I see. I was taking that to be a gaming reference. :) You know, breaking in the new game room.
I can be monumentally naive at times.
Urizen |
Urizen wrote:alleynbard wrote:A 1st level house party? That's not going to raise the roof up in da hissle foshizzle. :pUrizen wrote:Speaking of party level ... what level is yours going to be when you finally move into your new abode and need to break it in? :)I am going to start at 1st level.Oh...I see. I was taking that to be a gaming reference. :) You know, breaking in the new game room.
I can be monumentally naive at times.
And I can be metaphorically vague too. ;)
alleynbard |
I made the statue immobile so it couldn't pursue and terrorize. It simply guarded a door (threatening 2 squares of the entry path) and bonked anybody adjacent who didn't address it properly. The caster picked away just fine, but it took some time with 1d3 spells. The fighter could damage it but once he'd had a couple bad rolls, he walked away, leaving the people who could not hurt it nearby, and leaving the party split between the corridor and the room. Doing it over, I'd skip the stone CP and choose a different one to allow more people do damage. Live and learn. But it was not designed to seriously threaten the party. The group could have moved past it once its AoO was spent, and part of the party tumbled past it anyway. <shrug>
You know, that is an interesting situation. I like the idea you had there with making the statue immobile. It was a threat but not one that could overwhelm the party right out of the gate. I don't know that splitting the party is all bad, but it does really depend on the situation.
It seems like this encounter was more like part-trap and part-fight. There were combatants, though one of those were more like a hazard than a real creature. In that case, it might be interesting to go ahead and run it as trap, giving the rogue a chance to disarm it. There would be a risk but the character would have a chance to look really cool for figuring it out.
Going with something like clay or wood would allow the party some to inflict more damage and it would provide the creature with lower hit points at the same time. However, I think I would go with stone but making the inner, mechanical workings of the statue visible and assigned a slightly higher AC to strike those parts. But the parts shouldn't have a Hardness score and you might want to consider giving it a slightly different pool of hp. This assumes the statue would be mechanical, which I prefer simply because I love clockwork so much. :)
I don't know, just some random thoughts that might not have any real bearing since the encounter is over now. :) My rambling mostly has to do with how I might like to handle this in the future.
It sounds like a fantastic idea. I am just sorry there were some crappy rolls in there that caused trouble. I would be happy to steal this. Thank you !
alleynbard |
Ah, sorry. That was directed toward her, mostly. She's worries that we don't have fun. It was a fun evening, just one that contained a great amount of frustration. :P
I can be overly corrective about these things, even in real life. I am not socially inept, I have worked in marketing and customer service for most of my life, but I can be a bit "to the point", which comes across as bluntness. So I am always afraid I offend someone when I never mean to, especially in a format such as this.
Dr. Double Honors, Ph.D. |
Dr. Double Honors, Ph.D. wrote:Giving you a hard time, Prof. Over here, Dad's been with the same woman since '76 and never remarried. Mom's deceased since '05. Never quite sure what to call her. They're in their 60's now. Do you still call her 'his girlfriend'? *shrugs*Urizen wrote:I'm a grown man with a deceased mother. I don't call the woman my father married in his old age anything that has a derivative of the root word mother in it.Dr. Double Honors, Ph.D. wrote:Getting ready to go to Dad's wife's birthday lunch post.Calling her 'step-mom' doesn't cut the mustard?
Nah. She wasn't his girlfriend long enough for me to get in that habit...
Urizen |
Urizen wrote:Nah. She wasn't his girlfriend long enough for me to get in that habit...Dr. Double Honors, Ph.D. wrote:Giving you a hard time, Prof. Over here, Dad's been with the same woman since '76 and never remarried. Mom's deceased since '05. Never quite sure what to call her. They're in their 60's now. Do you still call her 'his girlfriend'? *shrugs*Urizen wrote:I'm a grown man with a deceased mother. I don't call the woman my father married in his old age anything that has a derivative of the root word mother in it.Dr. Double Honors, Ph.D. wrote:Getting ready to go to Dad's wife's birthday lunch post.Calling her 'step-mom' doesn't cut the mustard?
BTW, do you have any interesting tales to tell about your wife and serpents? ;)
Sebastian Bella Sara Charter Superscriber |
lynora |
lynora wrote:** spoiler omitted **
Okay, mini-rant over. Don't mind me. I was just venting my crankiness a bit. All's fine again.
Injured ribs suck. I have only had to deal with bruised ribs on a few occasions but never any that were broken. :(
My memory, possibly mistaken, is telling me that rib problem happened a while back. How long has it been?
Three weeks since the original incident, two weeks since the kidlet made the crack worse. It's finally starting to heal some, but it is a slow process often made slower by a hyper child who doesn't always think before he acts. :/
The fact that the kidlet is still alive is proof of how much I love the little monster. ;)Twin Agate Dragons |
Twin Agate Dragons wrote:Happy Sunday afternoon FAWTLers!Hiya, TAD! What's shakin?
A lot is shakin' Treppa. I watched Aliens in the Attic, Night at the Museum 2 and The Terminators last. Aside from the last movie it was laugh fest. Tonight I hope to seriously break some ground on my homebrew by working on the deities.
lynora |
Woodraven:
As far as medication goes, the purpose of anti-depressants isn't to mask the symptoms of what's wrong. I fell into that trap way too many times myself, and that kept me from getting help as soon as I should have. If the meds and dosage are right all it does is let you get out from under the crushing weight of despair so that you can actually feel a normal range of human emotions, from happiness to sadness. Don't know if that perspective helps at all, but there you go. :)
Treppa |
Treppa wrote:A lot is shakin' Treppa. I watched Aliens in the Attic, Night at the Museum 2 and The Terminators last. Aside from the last movie it was laugh fest. Tonight I hope to seriously break some ground on my homebrew by working on the deities.Twin Agate Dragons wrote:Happy Sunday afternoon FAWTLers!Hiya, TAD! What's shakin?
Sweet! I haven't seen any of those. We just got home from work and are resting up after a good feed, preparing to go out and attack the yard work. Man, I hate yard work. :( Nap first, I think. Hope you have gotten your day and night switched back into the right places. Have a cup of coffee for me.
lynora |
So last night it was raining cats and dogs again. I don't know what is going on. We never used to have a monsoon season. Ended up having a friend crash on the couch since it wasn't safe to drive. This morning went to the Taste of Ann Arbor and the weather was beautiful. Even got a little sunburned. It was fun and a good chance to try out some new places without paying for a whole meal. But I was so ready to collapse by the time we got home. And now I feel much better after a nice afternoon nap. :)
alleynbard |
So last night it was raining cats and dogs again. I don't know what is going on. We never used to have a monsoon season. Ended up having a friend crash on the couch since it wasn't safe to drive. This morning went to the Taste of Ann Arbor and the weather was beautiful. Even got a little sunburned. It was fun and a good chance to try out some new places without paying for a whole meal. But I was so ready to collapse by the time we got home. And now I feel much better after a nice afternoon nap. :)
I just wanted you to know that I am fighting everything in my indoctrination as a Columbus native to not comment on the Taste of Ann Arbor. ;) I honestly don't care about the rivalry thing all that much, but it gets forced into your head at an early age around here. I don't watch football, not even when I was student at OSU. But I was a member of the Medieval and Renaissance Performer's Guild. ;)
I have distinct liking of food festivals myself. Towards the beginning of July we have the North Market Food and Ohio Wine festival, which is rather tasty.
And while it is not a food festival, I am already gearing up for the Dublin Irish Festival . It really is a great time. I was overjoyed to see the bands lined up for this year.
lynora |
lynora wrote:So last night it was raining cats and dogs again. I don't know what is going on. We never used to have a monsoon season. Ended up having a friend crash on the couch since it wasn't safe to drive. This morning went to the Taste of Ann Arbor and the weather was beautiful. Even got a little sunburned. It was fun and a good chance to try out some new places without paying for a whole meal. But I was so ready to collapse by the time we got home. And now I feel much better after a nice afternoon nap. :)I just wanted you to know that I am fighting everything in my indoctrination as a Columbus native to not comment on the Taste of Ann Arbor. ;) I honestly don't care about the rivalry thing all that much, but it gets forced into your head at an early age around here. I don't watch football, not even when I was student at OSU. But I was a member of the Medieval and Renaissance Performer's Guild. ;)
I have distinct liking of food festivals myself. Towards the beginning of July we have the North Market Food and Ohio Wine festival, which is rather tasty.
And while it is not a food festival, I am already gearing up for the Dublin Irish Festival . It really is a great time. I was overjoyed to see the bands lined up for this year.
lol. I'm from all over, so the whole rivalry thing just amuses me. Couldn't care less about football. I just like this town. :)
The Dublin Irish Festival looks pretty cool. The musical entertainment looks pretty impressive. The closest thing we've got is the Saline Celtic Festival, but I never get to hear the musical performances. :(
The kid's extra sensitive hearing means he can't handle concerts and such so I rarely get to enjoy a live musical performance.
Crimson Jester |
Hello again...been working on encounters and spending time with my nephew and nieces. Cooking yummy yummy chili and watching Quantum of Solace. Just a quick hello to all hope you and yours are having a wonderful evening.
On the negative side I just had the champions game canceled so my gaming chances are dropping by the minute. and why is it canceled well the weekend game that the players dropped out of my CotCT game for, well it sucks so bad no one wants to play it. Hmmmm
lynora |
Augh! I'm losing my mind! Oh, wait....it's been gone for ages. I'm just at that stage of the level raise where I'm questioning all my previous decisions. And I haven't even gotten to making my magic item wishlist for when we get back to town. It's probably good to get this out of the way now since I need to have this done before the next time we play.
The Thing from Beyond the Edge |
The Thing from Beyond the Edge wrote:lynora wrote:** spoiler omitted **
Okay, mini-rant over. Don't mind me. I was just venting my crankiness a bit. All's fine again.
Injured ribs suck. I have only had to deal with bruised ribs on a few occasions but never any that were broken. :(
My memory, possibly mistaken, is telling me that rib problem happened a while back. How long has it been?
Three weeks since the original incident, two weeks since the kidlet made the crack worse. It's finally starting to heal some, but it is a slow process often made slower by a hyper child who doesn't always think before he acts. :/
The fact that the kidlet is still alive is proof of how much I love the little monster. ;)
Ha ha.
Ribs are terrible like that. They can basically take forever to heal because breathing makes them hurt. :(
With that, I am out for te night. Later.
Note: Small, fast spiders are entertaining to watch.
GreatKhanArtist |
@ Urizen:
Really? I empathize with the hearing loss. My sister is hearing impaired. We use CC on the TV all the time. I can read faster than the characters speak, so it's kind of cheating. She has ear infections all the time, which are the source of the hearing imparement.
And yeah, that's the one. I always get it confused with the one that's supposed to be for male anatomy, so it's no wonder why I'm so happy all the time! I could be wrong, but I think it's for dopamine, not seratonin re-uptake inhibition. Don't quote me on that. Acutally, I found when I started it, I was hyper and semi-manic, so we really had to ease into it. And taking it in the morning helps keep me from 3 AM carrot binges.