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Urizen wrote:
I want to find a reason to wield Occam. I'm feeling twitchy.

Steps out of reach.


I think Stormwind came in with all the gas expulsions...

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No that was Windstorm.


I've played since 1982, at the age of 8, and gone through the whole gambit of Basic to 3.5. As a DM, I feel it's my role to provide the setting, story line, and encounters within the rules as set. That said, it's also the DM's job to ensure fun and flow. I DM with an open mind. If Player's can do something within the rules, no matter how much it frustrates me, then kudos to them. In the same vein, I get to do it right back at them. I'm one for homemade adventures, not pregenerated ones. So, I try to customize encounters to the characters and their powers. A DM should be a smart DM, using the rules to his advantage, making appropriate enecounters and monsters, and allow the players to do whatever they can to be victorious within the same rule set. I've played in games where I and my companions totally obliterated the BBEG within the rules. That can be a DM's failing in not preparing properly, or, just as often not. On the otherhand, I've customized monsters to challenge and put a little fear into the players so they know they have a good chance of sucess in anything they do, but that they may run into something that they can't beat yet, and may have to choose to run and come back later. I think sometimes as DM's and player's we forget that there is the option to "run away" and try again later.

Overall, I hate DM's with god complexes. The DM needs to be fair, consistent, and provide enjoyment for him/herself and the players. I don't try to fudge rolls, but, for the sake of story, flow, or avoidance of complete disaster (since I don't want to spend a bunch of time preparing and then kill everyone off due to a bad role) I will. It's a tim e to get together, enter the realm of fantasy, and have fun. In short, BE NICE, DM or otherwise.

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Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:


Overall, I hate DM's with god complexes. The DM needs to be fair, consistent, and provide enjoyment for him/herself and the players. I don't try to fudge rolls, but, for the sake of story, flow, or avoidance of complete disaster (since I don't want to spend a bunch of time preparing and then kill everyone off due to a bad role) I will. It's a tim e to get together, enter the realm of fantasy, and have fun. In short, BE NICE, DM or otherwise.

DMs don't have a god complex, God has a DM complex. :) Seriously though, excellent point.


Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:

I've played since 1982, at the age of 8, and gone through the whole gambit of Basic to 3.5. As a DM, I feel it's my role to provide the setting, story line, and encounters within the rules as set. That said, it's also the DM's job to ensure fun and flow. I DM with an open mind. If Player's can do something within the rules, no matter how much it frustrates me, then kudos to them. In the same vein, I get to do it right back at them. I'm one for homemade adventures, not pregenerated ones. So, I try to customize encounters to the characters and their powers. A DM should be a smart DM, using the rules to his advantage, making appropriate enecounters and monsters, and allow the players to do whatever they can to be victorious within the same rule set. I've played in games where I and my companions totally obliterated the BBEG within the rules. That can be a DM's failing in not preparing properly, or, just as often not. On the otherhand, I've customized monsters to challenge and put a little fear into the players so they know they have a good chance of sucess in anything they do, but that they may run into something that they can't beat yet, and may have to choose to run and come back later. I think sometimes as DM's and player's we forget that there is the option to "run away" and try again later.

Overall, I hate DM's with god complexes. The DM needs to be fair, consistent, and provide enjoyment for him/herself and the players. I don't try to fudge rolls, but, for the sake of story, flow, or avoidance of complete disaster (since I don't want to spend a bunch of time preparing and then kill everyone off due to a bad role) I will. It's a tim e to get together, enter the realm of fantasy, and have fun. In short, BE NICE, DM or otherwise.

Welcome, Elghinn -- you look new to me.


As an atheist, I lack in belief of DMs with god complexes.


"Nice" hmm, Ice with mask to cover your true propose to freeze the game, well played sir. But now you must face Sir Mr. Fishy. Sir MR. Fishy is on to you. You and your "NICE".

Sir Mr. Fishy doesn't like new people with their nice, >Puffs up in rage<(wait Mr. Fishy is always puffed up with rage)

>Mr. Fishy remains puffed up<

To all you know the Mr. Fishy, he is unchange by his new title, you may still call him Mr. Fishy or Sir.

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David invites Mr. Fishy to come vist Mr. Fishy's fan club.


Urizen wrote:
As an atheist, I lack in belief of DMs with god complexes.

In highschool the local DM of our gaming group (who we all affectionately and fearfully called god) was a lead member of an atheist discussion group.

I therefore wonder if its possible to have a DM who disbelieves himself...

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Urizen wrote:
As an atheist, I lack in belief of DMs with god complexes.

Yes however are you a militant atheist or just a soft atheist?


Mairkurion siad

"Welcome, Elghinn -- you look new to me."

Relatively, yes. I've only been posting somewhat consistently for the last 2 weeksish. I've been mostly in the ALchemist playtest threads, went searching, and saw this one. Just have to say BIG KUDOS to Paizo for making it so us 3.5 geeks can still enjoy the game without having to bow to WOTC's lameness for not supporting their own and going with 4E (which has completely removed any form of intelligent creativity-an element which I might add that was the main basis for Gary Gygax developing the system in the first place).

OK, that's all. Still trying to figure out all the BBCode tags too. Getting there.


Crimson Jester wrote:
Urizen wrote:
As an atheist, I lack in belief of DMs with god complexes.
Yes however are you a militant atheist or just a soft atheist?

What's your definition of a soft atheist?


Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:

Relatively, yes. I've only been posting somewhat consistently for the last 2 weeksish. I've been mostly in the ALchemist playtest threads, went searching, and saw this one. Just have to say BIG KUDOS to Paizo for making it so us 3.5 geeks can still enjoy the game without having to bow to WOTC's lameness for not supporting their own and going with 4E (which has completely removed any form of intelligent creativity-an element which I might add that was the main basis for Gary Gygax developing the system in the first place).

Spoiler:
Waiting to see if Scott Betts appears...
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Don't tempt fate.

Spoiler:
Although it would add weight to a theory of mine.


OK, I'll bite. Who's Scott Betts? (waiting for the "groan" or the anvil to fall on me).


What's your definition of a soft atheist?

Someone who curses god on a 1 and praises the dice on a 20.

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Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:
OK, I'll bite. Who's Scott Betts? (waiting for the "groan" or the anvil to fall on me).

We will let you find out for yourself. Gary has asked us to try and tone down talking about other posters, particularly behind their backs.


Anyone else starting to look at the title of this thread and wonder what else it could have meant. Like a hostile DM driving exotic italian cars? Or maybe a side character in order of the stick that was itself an embodyment of an angry DM fiat?


Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:

Mairkurion siad

"Welcome, Elghinn -- you look new to me."

Relatively, yes. I've only been posting somewhat consistently for the last 2 weeksish. I've been mostly in the ALchemist playtest threads, went searching, and saw this one. Just have to say BIG KUDOS to Paizo for making it so us 3.5 geeks can still enjoy the game without having to bow to WOTC's lameness for not supporting their own and going with 4E (which has completely removed any form of intelligent creativity-an element which I might add that was the main basis for Gary Gygax developing the system in the first place).

OK, that's all. Still trying to figure out all the BBCode tags too. Getting there.

Very good -- see you around! Enjoy Paizo's pastures!

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Kolokotroni wrote:
Anyone else starting to look at the title of this thread and wonder what else it could have meant. Like a hostile DM driving exotic italian cars? Or maybe a side character in order of the stick that was itself an embodyment of an angry DM fiat?

Urizen already pushed the former off a cliff after tearing off the hood ornament.


Kolokotroni wrote:
Anyone else starting to look at the title of this thread and wonder what else it could have meant. Like a hostile DM driving exotic italian cars? Or maybe a side character in order of the stick that was itself an embodyment of an angry DM fiat?

I think people were just being mean to Xaaon. C'mon, people, stop slapping down Xaaon, he's a good guy! Maybe they're Eberron people who are just jealous that Xaaon moved?

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Tessius wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:
Anyone else starting to look at the title of this thread and wonder what else it could have meant. Like a hostile DM driving exotic italian cars? Or maybe a side character in order of the stick that was itself an embodyment of an angry DM fiat?
Urizen already pushed the former off a cliff after tearing off the hood ornament.

And shoved it into the tailpipe of a Kia.


Urizen wrote:
Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:

Relatively, yes. I've only been posting somewhat consistently for the last 2 weeksish. I've been mostly in the ALchemist playtest threads, went searching, and saw this one. Just have to say BIG KUDOS to Paizo for making it so us 3.5 geeks can still enjoy the game without having to bow to WOTC's lameness for not supporting their own and going with 4E (which has completely removed any form of intelligent creativity-an element which I might add that was the main basis for Gary Gygax developing the system in the first place).

** spoiler omitted **

LoL @ spoiler, and also waits for the summoning. The correct spell has definitely been cast.

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David Fryer wrote:
Urizen already pushed the former off a cliff after tearing off the hood ornament.
And shoved it into the tailpipe of a Kia.

I actually thought he was going to wear it as a necklace, switch his name to FlavUrz and get a 'reality' show on VH-1.


Mr.Fishy wrote:

What's your definition of a soft atheist?

Someone who curses god on a 1 and praises the dice on a 20.

That's excellent! This must be a shirt. With Mr. Fishy and a caption bubble, of course.


Tessius wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:
Anyone else starting to look at the title of this thread and wonder what else it could have meant. Like a hostile DM driving exotic italian cars? Or maybe a side character in order of the stick that was itself an embodyment of an angry DM fiat?
Urizen already pushed the former off a cliff after tearing off the hood ornament.

That hood ornament got beastied and is hanging on my 24k gold chain with the benzo, fo'sho!

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Tessius wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Urizen already pushed the former off a cliff after tearing off the hood ornament.
And shoved it into the tailpipe of a Kia.
I actually thought he was going to wear it as a necklace, switch his name to FlavUrz and get a 'reality' show on VH-1.

Nah he's gonna get a big wall clock and a Viking helmet.


Tessius wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Urizen already pushed the former off a cliff after tearing off the hood ornament.
And shoved it into the tailpipe of a Kia.
I actually thought he was going to wear it as a necklace, switch his name to FlavUrz and get a 'reality' show on VH-1.

FLAVA URZ! Now me got to find who's gonna be my Chuck D. Word!


David Fryer wrote:
Tessius wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Urizen already pushed the former off a cliff after tearing off the hood ornament.
And shoved it into the tailpipe of a Kia.
I actually thought he was going to wear it as a necklace, switch his name to FlavUrz and get a 'reality' show on VH-1.
Nah he's gonna get a big wall clock and a Viking helmet.

dude, that's awesome! All I need now is an epic banhammer.


MR. Big C Fishy, Mr. Fishy's got your back.

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Mr.Fishy wrote:
MR. Big C Fishy, Mr. Fishy's got your back.

You tell 'em Mr. Fishy.


I don't think I've ever seen a thread go so completely and horribly off-topic in the Pathfinder RPG General boards before. Color me impressed.

Well, color me an impressed-shade of gold, anyways.

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David Fryer wrote:
Mr.Fishy wrote:
MR. Big C Fishy, Mr. Fishy's got your back.
You tell 'em Mr. Fishy.

Someone *must* do a webcomic of this.


Mr.Fishy wrote:
What's your definition of a soft atheist?

Someone who curses god on a 1 and praises the dice on a 20.

Urizen wrote:


That's excellent! This must be a shirt. With Mr. Fishy and a caption bubble, of course.

Mr. Fishy accepts pie and posting on his fan thread as a form of appreciation, Mr. Fishy probably won't even get a free shirt. Or money, or a post on his fan thread.

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Loopy wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a thread go so completely and horribly off-topic in the Pathfinder RPG General boards before. Color me impressed.

Well, color me an impressed-shade of gold, anyways.

You didn't follow the Fourms Are Way Too Long miracle then.


Kolokotroni wrote:
Loopy wrote:


The smell of a match is usually just a bit better than smelling someone's butt gas AND somehow it chemically neutralizes the actual fart smell. It's like a Christmas miracle.

Best of all, that player HATES the hell out of it. Double bonus!

methane (primary gas in farts) is flamable. Lighting a match burns off the methane, removing much of the unpleasant smell.

And I love the smell of burnt matches...always have...think I'll pick up some QuikStrikes on the way home t'day...

Guess the real conversations are over...good info in there...heh.

Not it's all threadjacked up! LoL


Mr. Fishy maybe willing to a web comic appearance for a shirt some pie and a post on my fan thread, or money, post damn you.

We're not off topic it's all about the fishy.


Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:

Mairkurion siad

"Welcome, Elghinn -- you look new to me."

Relatively, yes. I've only been posting somewhat consistently for the last 2 weeksish. I've been mostly in the ALchemist playtest threads, went searching, and saw this one. Just have to say BIG KUDOS to Paizo for making it so us 3.5 geeks can still enjoy the game without having to bow to WOTC's lameness for not supporting their own and going with 4E (which has completely removed any form of intelligent creativity-an element which I might add that was the main basis for Gary Gygax developing the system in the first place).

OK, that's all. Still trying to figure out all the BBCode tags too. Getting there.

I'm pretty sure the guys over at Penny Arcade would disagree with "4e players = lolstupid, no creativity."


Mr.Fishy wrote:
MR. Big C Fishy, Mr. Fishy's got your back.

Excellent! Mr. Fishy would have been my first choice. Now we have to spread the propaganda. BRING THE BITE!

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Can we keep the edition war stuff down guys? It doesn't cast either side in a very good light. Besies it distracts from talking about languges, lighting farts, and Mr. Fishy.


Loopy wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a thread go so completely and horribly off-topic in the Pathfinder RPG General boards before. Color me impressed.

Well, color me an impressed-shade of gold, anyways.

[evil elvis presley] thankyouthankyouverymuch [/evil elvis presley]


Mr.Fishy wrote:
Mr. Fishy accepts pie and posting on his fan thread as a form of appreciation, Mr. Fishy probably won't even get a free shirt. Or money, or a post on his fan thread.

You'll get the third one satisfied for sure. Will have to see the costs for the second, and have no idea how to pull off the first.


Urizen wrote:
Loopy wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a thread go so completely and horribly off-topic in the Pathfinder RPG General boards before. Color me impressed.

Well, color me an impressed-shade of gold, anyways.

[evil elvis presley] thankyouthankyouverymuch [/evil elvis presley]

This is what happens when you run out of dead horses.


Loopy wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a thread go so completely and horribly off-topic in the Pathfinder RPG General boards before. Color me impressed.

Well, color me an impressed-shade of gold, anyways.

I think we all nearly simultaneously and unanimously agreed the thread had run its course. There was nothing left to say. There was no topic anymore.

Besides, we got to destroy a car...


Sirone, Mistress of the Waves wrote:
Urizen wrote:
Loopy wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a thread go so completely and horribly off-topic in the Pathfinder RPG General boards before. Color me impressed.

Well, color me an impressed-shade of gold, anyways.

[evil elvis presley] thankyouthankyouverymuch [/evil elvis presley]
This is what happens when you run out of dead horses.

You can never run out of dead horses, just sometimes your arm gets tired or the stick breaks and you dont wanna find a new one.

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Kolokotroni wrote:


I think we all nearly simultaneously and unanimously agreed the thread had run its course.

QFT


Well, I had a reply to Auxmaulous, but after, like, two pages of pie and fart-lighting... why bother?

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