Doctor Who: Series 5


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Davi The Eccentric wrote:
flash_cxxi wrote:
Can't wait for some of those Episodes shown in the preview. That one with the Army Green Dalek with the Union Jack was rather interesting wasnn't it.

From what little I picked up from other threads and such, a scientist managed to get an empty dalek shell and, I don't know, did SCIENCE to it to make it do stuff. I'm guessing it's the one the half-human dalek-thing left sitting around a season or two ago. Of course, something is going to go horribly horribly wrong. (Don't tell me if I'm horribly wrong, then it'll be a surprise.)

EDIT: Oh, you watched it already Damn it no BBC America/SciFi at college razzum frazzum...

That would be nice.

I was hoping

Spoiler:
The Doctor lands comes out of the Tardis and sees the Dalek, freaks out and beats the snot out of it with a baseball bat in a blind panic/rage. After it stops moving, the movie director comes up screaming for someone to tell him, "Who this loon is and why he beat up my documentary prop!"


Matthew Morris wrote:

That would be nice.

I was hoping ** spoiler omitted **

I know I said I didn't want to be spoiled, but that is hilarious. Well, that's what I get for blatant speculation.

EDIT: Oh, wait, you're speculating too. Yeah, they're probably going to do that nest year when they have to do their mandatory yearly dalek.

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I managed to see this last night, thanks to a certain member of the Time Agency, and I must say I think we're off to a good start with the new Doctor.

And ESPECIALLY with the new companion.

I really like the new TARDIS interior, I really liked how the first episode played with the element of time, and I liked Matt Smith's swagger at the end.

The alien was pants, but that's to be expected, frankly.

Bring on the rest of the season!

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I am going to have to wait to watch this. My computer crashed on Friday and my "new" computer, which is actually the one I replaced the one that crashed with, is so slow I can't watch streaming video. Oh well, it's only two weeks.

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I love that Steven Moffat is in charge. He's one of the few people in the entire history of the show who seems to have noticed that Doctor Who is about a guy with a time machine, and that it can do more than just take the characters from one story to the next.

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ericthecleric wrote:
Nevynxxx wrote:
WOW. I think Mr Wertz will be *very* impressed by his favourite new companion's costume for most of the episode.
Yes, I agree! :-)

Her outfit in episode 3 looks to be in the same vein.

The best use of HD I've seen, though, is for full-screen closeups of her eyes.


Gahhhh!!! Is there anyway for an American to watch Doctor Who without having cable or satelite?

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Sharoth wrote:
Gahhhh!!! Is there anyway for an American to watch Doctor Who without having cable or satelite?

Email me and I will sned you a link sharoth jthm_91@hotmail.com. I don't want to post it here for likely legal reasons.


Sharoth wrote:
Gahhhh!!! Is there anyway for an American to watch Doctor Who without having cable or satelite?

That was kindly linked last page by Captain Brittannica

Very cool episode I am liking matt smith more then I thought I would really.

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Sharoth wrote:
Gahhhh!!! Is there anyway for an American to watch Doctor Who without having cable or satelite?

Same way I did (we don't get it until the 18th). P2P...


Captain Brittannica wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Only helpful if you have BBC America

Well, you have to get proper culture somewhere.

** spoiler omitted **

~grins like a madman~ God, but I so love watching Doctor Who. Thanks Captain B.

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Just bought the HD season pass for Doctor Who Series 5 from Itunes, but first episode it not releasing until after the US release :(.


Dragnmoon wrote:
Just bought the HD season pass for Doctor Who Series 5 from Itunes, but first episode it not releasing until after the US release :(.

Drat!


"Hello...I'm the Doctor..basically..Run"..how to sum up 37 years in 6 words


I loved that line. Along with the Madman with a box line. It was a Great start.

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It arrives in Canada soon. I can wait. It's only time, afterall. :)

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DM Wellard wrote:
"Hello...I'm the Doctor..basically..Run"..how to sum up 37 years in 6 words

I loved this, but didn't Tennant or Eccleston say, at least the "basically, Run!" part before? Tugged on a memory anyway.


He seems to have kept some of Tennant's mannerisms which I liked.

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
He seems to have kept some of Tennant's mannerisms which I liked.

Indeed, I've seen a few people say they thought he was apeing Tennant too much, I like that he's kept a lot. Possibly it will fade out as he becomes his own Dr.

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Nevynxxx wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
He seems to have kept some of Tennant's mannerisms which I liked.
Indeed, I've seen a few people say they thought he was apeing Tennant too much, I like that he's kept a lot. Possibly it will fade out as he becomes his own Dr.

That's how it works with regenerations. You'll probably note that towards the end of the episode he was acting much less like Doctor Ten.


In an interview recently, Matt Smith said that that's deliberate. As the series progresses, Matt becomes more his own Doctor.

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This is cute: Ten Things To Consider About The New Doctor Who.


ericthecleric wrote:
In an interview recently, Matt Smith said that that's deliberate. As the series progresses, Matt becomes more his own Doctor.

Tennant spent his whole first episode essentially adjusting to his new self as well - though having Rose Tyler there probably took a lot of the focus off of it. I recall him saying something, half-choking, then saying, "Hmm, new teeth. That feels weird." Or something to that effect. But yeah, he wasn't imitating Eccleston at all that I could tell.

There has to be some leeway given - Tennant was THE Doctor. Mighty big shoes to fill.


I have to agree to me Tennant is THE Doctor. But yeah his first episode was odd he spent it half asleep and had that whole "what kind of man am i?" stuff all though it


Tennant's Doctor explained it well in End of Time, part 1: "Even if I change it still feels like dying. Everything I am dies. Some new man goes sauntering away... and I'm dead."


Other great stuff..though probably only the Brits will get this one.

Patrick Moore helps save the planet(he's Alan Moores uncle btw)

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DM Wellard wrote:
(he's Alan Moores uncle btw)

<whisper>Who's Alan Moore?</whisper>

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Lyingbastard wrote:
ericthecleric wrote:
In an interview recently, Matt Smith said that that's deliberate. As the series progresses, Matt becomes more his own Doctor.

Tennant spent his whole first episode essentially adjusting to his new self as well - though having Rose Tyler there probably took a lot of the focus off of it. I recall him saying something, half-choking, then saying, "Hmm, new teeth. That feels weird." Or something to that effect. But yeah, he wasn't imitating Eccleston at all that I could tell.

There has to be some leeway given - Tennant was THE Doctor. Mighty big shoes to fill.

Nah, Who is Tom Baker. Accept no regenerations :P

And speaking of mannerisms of the previous incarnation, in the beginning of 'Robot' the Doctor breaks a brick in half with his (in)famous 'Venusian Kung Fu'. By the end of the episode he tries the trick but hurts himself. So there is substansial precident for the 'bits of the previous Doctor' part.


Nevynxxx wrote:
DM Wellard wrote:
(he's Alan Moores uncle btw)
<whisper>Who's Alan Moore?</whisper>

This Alan Moore

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Lyingbastard wrote:
Tennant's Doctor explained it well in End of Time, part 1: "Even if I change it still feels like dying. Everything I am dies. Some new man goes sauntering away... and I'm dead."

Ug. I hated that. Frankly, it kind of felt like RTD making an attempt to sabatoge Moffatt and Smith to me. Moffatt damn near directly addressed the issue in the first Doctor Who: Confidential of the new series, where he blatantly states that Matt Smith's Doctor is the same man as all the previous Doctors, just with a new face.


It does make sense in a way, the personality is gone, some stays as do the memory but the "Person" he was is indeed gone in a way

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Very happy. This is going to be an excellent 5th!

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Matthew Morris wrote:
And speaking of mannerisms of the previous incarnation, in the beginning of 'Robot' the Doctor breaks a brick in half with his (in)famous 'Venusian Kung Fu'. By the end of the episode he tries the trick but hurts himself. So there is substansial precident for the 'bits of the previous Doctor' part.

In Castrovalva, Peter Davison briefly drops in mannerisms characteristic of each of his previous four incarnations.

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Happily, I'm off to London in the morning. Geekily, I will be parked in front of the TV at 1815 Saturday night.

I'd say this was the best DW premier, ever. And Gillan is 100% gorgeous :-)


Matt Smith says that he has conciously adopted a couple off things from the second Doctor..like the bow tie..there are always some hold overs.


Kthulhu wrote:
Lyingbastard wrote:
Tennant's Doctor explained it well in End of Time, part 1: "Even if I change it still feels like dying. Everything I am dies. Some new man goes sauntering away... and I'm dead."
Ug. I hated that. Frankly, it kind of felt like RTD making an attempt to sabatoge Moffatt and Smith to me. Moffatt damn near directly addressed the issue in the first Doctor Who: Confidential of the new series, where he blatantly states that Matt Smith's Doctor is the same man as all the previous Doctors, just with a new face.

That's an interesting take, given Moffat's fanboy history with the show.

The general idea I (and a lot of fans) have always taken away is that the Doctor's consciousness is destroyed with each regeneration. The new incarnation's cellular structure has completely regenerated, including brain cells, and although memories survive the process (and memories play a large role in defining characteristics and morality, so they remain similar) he is effectively a different person. This is necessary to explain why the Doctors fear regeneration as if they are going to die for good, which is clearly not the case (the Fifth Doctor similarly had a terror of his impending regeneration in THE CAVES OF ANDROZANI and the Second Doctor treated his enforced regeneration by the Time Lords almost as a death sentence in THE WAR GAMES).

This is why it's (relatively) okay for the Doctors' different incarnations to meet up with one another and even have adventures aiding one another, whilst the Doctor meeting or even passing by his own incarnation triggers major consequences (as seen in the episode where Rose tries to save her father, where two Ecclestones are in the same area at the same time). The different incarnations may be similar, but as far as the space/time continuum is concerned they are different people.

Similarly, this explains the 'divergent incarnation' storyline the novels used for Colin Baker's Doctor, where the Valeyard (the evil future incarnation of the Doctor from TRIAL OF A TIME LORD) is revealed to have been created by the Sixth Doctor's mental imbalance, leading to the Doctor becoming more corrupt and evil with each incarnation until he became the Valeyard (in this take, admittedly non-canon, the Sixth Doctor commits suicide long before he is due to regenerate naturally in an attempt to repair this damage, in the middle of which his TARDIS is attacked by the Rani, as we saw in the first Seventh Doctor story). This take treats the Valeyard as a different entity to the Sixth Doctor and they are able to interact without violating the normal laws of time.

However, as with most things DOCTOR WHO there has been and likely never will be a canon ruling on this, and fans will be left to their own interpretations. It certainly sounds like Davis and Moffat have different ideas about how regeneration works.

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Watch "The Christmas Invasion". RTD didn't seem to consider the 10th Doctor to be a different man than the 9th Doctor. In point of fact, the Doctor repeatedly tells the understandably shaken/confused Rose that he's the same man. It was only with RTD leaving the series that EmoDoctor started winging on that he would actually be dying to be replaced with another man.

The Doctor tries to avoid regenerations for a couple of reasons:

1. Each regeneration does bring him closer to his eventual true death, when the 13th Doctor FAILS to regenerate. Although I hope the 13th Doctor aces this fate with more dignity than the 10th Doctor faced his regeneration with.

2. The Doctor isn't particularly good at regenerating. For him it is generally a painful, prolonged process that is quite prone to complications (see the 6th Doctor throttling Peri in a post-regenerative fit of insanity...an insanity that continued into his wardrobe selection). For contrast, Romana I decided to regenerate into Romana II for basically a new look, like a human might change their outfit.

Anyhow, just saw the second episode. Loving Matt Smith as the Doctor, and am head-over-heels in lust with Karen Gillan.

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5 minutes and counting!

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What a spectacular end! Sniffly pathos abounds.

Who else thinks the creature looks a little like an Aboleth?

WC and Daleks next week! Huzzah!


This was an excellent episode. All the offbeat eccentricities of the RTD years, but also a coherent storyline and some really nice moments:

1) Continuity FTW! The space ark is fleeing massive solar flares 1,000 years in the future. This is about the same time as The Ark in Space and The Sontaran Experiment from Tom Baker's era, when the Earth is rendered uninhabitable by solar activity for several centuries before humanity is able to repopulate it, having spent the intervening time on giant arks floating in space in other star systems (or in the outskirts of this one).

2) Finally, the frickin' Space Whale episode! There was a script for the Peter Davison era (IIRC) called The Space Whale that the team tried to get made about a dozen times over the space of several seasons before giving up on it for being too expensive. Moffat finally did it (although just nicking the 'space whale' idea, nothing else). Plus obvious Hitch-Hiker's reference!

3) One of the best endings ever.

"How does the Doctor get involved in this WW2 Dalek story? Turns up accidentally? Amy asks to see WW2? How do we do it?"
"How about Winston Churchill rings up the TARDIS and asks the Doctor to come help out?"
"Score!"

4) The companion earns her place on the TARDIS by spotting a solution the Doctor misses, but not doing so in a way that makes the Doctor look like a moron. In this case he just overlooked something that Amy was able to pick up on more easily.

Overally, great stuff. Even if the alien's tentacles were almost identical to the Giant Tentacle Monster in the silo in Half-Life 1.

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That really was a fantastic episode. Good quality sci fi with a great human story.

I am hugely looking forward to next week's episode, which could quite possibly have the coolest thing ever in. Yes, Spitfires in Space.


100% agreed.


So good to hear a hometown accent in the Tardis.

And Scotland got its own ship...hooray independance at last

Karen was here last week, but it was an invitation only event so no pics yet.Sorry.

+1 for Spitfires in space..even cooler than "Sky Captains" Submarine ones


In Doctor Who Confidential afterwards, Matt (Smith) kept banging on about how "fond" of Karen he is... So he obviously fancies her!
Steve Moffatt mentioned that she was the last girl they interviewed, and also said that she's 5'11"... so she's tall!

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Just saw it, and I got to say I loved it. Great story, but it does make humans look like evil douchebags.

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Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:
Just saw it, and I got to say I loved it. Great story, but it does make humans look like evil douchebags.

Which is actually not all that uncommon in Doctor Who.

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Really, really, good. Loving the new Dr as he comes out of himself. He is making a really good impression, and Moffet is continuing to freak the bejesus out of me at every turn. this is Dr Who. I'm even liking the new theme music.....

And yes Wellard, I could listen to that accent all day long, beautiful, she's just knocked Tennant's accent off my "favorite to listen too" list.

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Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:
Just saw it, and I got to say I loved it. Great story, but it does make humans look like evil douchebags.

Nah... just you Brits.

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What does everyone think of the more malign-looking time vortex in the opening credits? I like it, especially when it switches from the thunderstorm blue to the descent into hell.


Kthulhu wrote:
What does everyone think of the more malign-looking time vortex in the opening credits? I like it, especially when it switches from the thunderstorm blue to the descent into hell.

I speak only for myself when I say that I detest the entire new opening sequence- music, effects, logo. The whole package. It makes me want to drop kick innocent squirrels.

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