Hmm, Plus ca change plus c'est le meme chose ..
Why am I hearing a Rush song? Hey, they're Canadian too! (The bass line in that one is crazy to play while trying to sing the vocals.)
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After we take over, I propose that the New Canadian Empire adopt this for our flag.
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After we take over, I propose that the New Canadian Empire adopt this for our flag.
You want a sabertooth platypus for our national symbol?
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Texas was a different story, with Americans moving into a foreign country illegally (how ironic) and then overwhelming the resident Mexicans, who hadn't established a strong presence there.
Actually, Moses Austin was allowed to bring Anglo settlers into Texas. Of course, that deal was struck with the Spanish government, as there was no such thing as an independent Mexico until a year later.
And, of course, Texas Anglos had no problem with being part of Mexico until Santa Ana staged his coup and destroyed the fledgling Republic, thus setting Mexico on its path of corruption and disregard for its people.
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Quick question: When Canada takes over, where are y'all going to go for health care? If Texas is part of Canada, we won't be a destination for chronic care any more...
That's an interesting constitutional question. If you folks kept your identity as a state (but got called a province) you would still have control and administration of your own health care. The federales keep all the provinces in line for socialized health care because their tax base is broader and they can withhold funds from a recalcitrant province. If I recall correctly, Texas is a state that gives more to the feds than it receives in funding. You could go it alone.
And with some independent minded provinces added to the Dominion we could reverse the big government - federal government knows best - centralization that's been going on since world war 2 and get back to the style of government intended by our founding fathers.
*goes out back to feed his war elk*
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And with some independent minded provinces added to the Dominion we could reverse the big government - federal government knows best - centralization that's been going on since world war 2 and get back to the style of government intended by our founding fathers.
I think you're invading the wrong country for all of that. Seems Americans would rather the government take care of them from cradle to grave than actually be responsible for their own lives any more.
As a representative of Halifax, I feel it is important to keep the invaders out by reminding them that we are not the Capital.
You want Yellowknife.
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Hmm, Plus ca change plus c'est le meme chose ..Why am I hearing a Rush song? Hey, they're Canadian too! (The bass line in that one is crazy to play while trying to sing the vocals.)
A clear sign of Geddy Lee's talent, and the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame's obvious anti-Canadian bias.
*grumbles under his breath, "ABBA?! Seriously?!*
Is the U.S invading Canada?
We can only hope.
Embargoes and prohibitions only cripple honest business. Ask the Kennedy's about the later :D
Except the New Englanders, who were crippled by the shipping embargo placed by Jefferson in 1808. They were totally anti-war, and when their efforts to stop it failed, they were lambasted as traitors. In fact I found these intersting couple of quotes from pro-war papers at the time when open war was declared:
LOL, I live on Cape Cod :D. There was a reason the Kennedys liked having a residence on the Cape, and it wasn't the salt air ...
Texas was a different story, with Americans moving into a foreign country illegally (how ironic) and then overwhelming the resident Mexicans, who hadn't established a strong presence there.Actually, Moses Austin was allowed to bring Anglo settlers into Texas. Of course, that deal was struck with the Spanish government, as there was no such thing as an independent Mexico until a year later.
And, of course, Texas Anglos had no problem with being part of Mexico until Santa Ana staged his coup and destroyed the fledgling Republic, thus setting Mexico on its path of corruption and disregard for its people.
Very valid points, and I apologize if I oversimplified matters. There was quite a bit of over-the-border crossing though, both during the Spanish control and the subsequent independent Mexico.
BTW, isn't Santa Anna one of those folks you'd love to rub out of the historical record? Mexico got off to such an excellent start with their 1824 Constitution. Where's my time machine dammit ...
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Santa Ana and Benito Juarez. Two "heroes" who basically took a resource rich near paradise and turned it into a corrupt shithole.
No wonder Cinco de Mayo (Juarez's holiday, in essence) is just an excuse to get blindingly drunk. Who would really want to celebrate an event that caused another 150 years of poverty and ignorance?
There's a toss off idea for an alt-history novel: A timeline where Mexico remained a strong republic and the Anglo settlers and Mexican people farther south forged a hybrid nation that ended up running along the West Coast down to Chiapas. Kinda close to the premise of For the Want of a Nail, but you could make it work. Hmm ...
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And with some independent minded provinces added to the Dominion we could reverse the big government - federal government knows best - centralization that's been going on since world war 2 and get back to the style of government intended by our founding fathers.I think you're invading the wrong country for all of that. Seems Americans would rather the government take care of them from cradle to grave than actually be responsible for their own lives any more.
Well I'm not knocking the whole social safety net. :) You have to remember that even a right wing Canadian is still left of a centralist republican/democrat. I'm just not a fan of the federal government.
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LOL, I live on Cape Cod :D. There was a reason the Kennedys liked having a residence on the Cape, and it wasn't the salt air ...Embargoes and prohibitions only cripple honest business. Ask the Kennedy's about the later :D
Except the New Englanders, who were crippled by the shipping embargo placed by Jefferson in 1808. They were totally anti-war, and when their efforts to stop it failed, they were lambasted as traitors. In fact I found these intersting couple of quotes from pro-war papers at the time when open war was declared:
The Bronfman family up north here would like to thank you for prohibition as well.
Texas has always had strong beer
With all those German immigrants in the 1800's, that's to be expected...
Now, if they had those uber honeys like the Scandinavian countries do, then I suppose I could switch sides too for that kind of cold snowy weather. But alas...
:P
Hehe...
<-- proud Scandinavian here :-D
Well, we need to import some of your citizens here. :P
Hmm, Plus ca change plus c'est le meme chose ..Why am I hearing a Rush song? Hey, they're Canadian too! (The bass line in that one is crazy to play while trying to sing the vocals.)
Oooh, thanks for the reminder. We can give Rush amnesty when we declare our attack. :P
Yeah, I never found Canadian beer that much better than American swill. Well, until our microbrew explosion. Some decent American stuff now.
That probably saved America from collapse.
Dear Samnell,
My bad. Remind me not to ask you an honest question again. Clearly a terrible mistake.
It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't have such a consistent record of acting like a jackass.
Four things you do really piss me off, kid.
One, you talk about how important understanding is, but make no effort whatsoever to acknowledge the perspective of others, much less understand. As a side note: it seems to me that you use your fantasies of perfect objectivity to put between you and the others on these boards. News flash: the fantasy of perfect scientific objectivity is dead. Ask scientists and philosophers. Not me.
Two, and part of the above: radical hypocrisy. You are often guilty of committing the logical fallacies (and worse) that you accuse others of using (in the same thread no less).
Three, you forget that we are all people, as evidenced by your comments on the Rorschach thread.
Four, you are dishonest. For example: you clearly made a (honest) mistake in reading my post but do not acknowledge it. Instead you call it an "honest question" and turn the table on me, as if even asking me a question is a mistake.
Dude, I have no problem with debate. No problem with people seeing the world differently. The views, feelings, and ideas of others are wonderful to me, they are food for my own mind. I love to ask questions, and people who ask questions are my true brothers and sisters in this world.
But you, Samnell, you've drawn too much from the tolerance bank, AFAIC.
It's quite simple: if you carry yourself reasonably on these boards, and respect others, people will treat you with respect.
<pushes back in the closet> He escaped the Far Realms, but I took care of it. Nothing to see here. Move along.
<pushes back in the closet> He escaped the Far Realms, but I took care of it. Nothing to see here. Move along.
I hope you are not referring to me. ;)
<pushes back in the closet> He escaped the Far Realms, but I took care of it. Nothing to see here. Move along.I hope you are not referring to me. ;)
Nah. You managed to translate our language with flying colors. Your fellow aberrant ... eh not so much. ;)
Quick question: When Canada takes over, where are y'all going to go for health care? If Texas is part of Canada, we won't be a destination for chronic care any more...
Canada is alarmingly decentralized in comparison to the United States. I'm sure Texas could find a way to be the only Canadian province with totally private health care.
Nah. You managed to translate our language with flying colors. Your fellow aberrant ... eh not so much. ;)<pushes back in the closet> He escaped the Far Realms, but I took care of it. Nothing to see here. Move along.I hope you are not referring to me. ;)
Yes, my neural connections for controlling a humanoid body (mine plug directly into the brain stem) are obviously superior.
Quick question: When Canada takes over, where are y'all going to go for health care? If Texas is part of Canada, we won't be a destination for chronic care any more...Canada is alarmingly decentralized in comparison to the United States. I'm sure Texas could find a way to be the only Canadian province with totally private health care.
So it's more a case of "we're too lazy to finagle with it"? Not that I have a problem with it, mind... if it's not broke don't fix it ;)
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Dear Samnell,
My bad. Remind me not to ask you an honest question again. Clearly a terrible mistake.It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't have such a consistent record of acting like a jackass.
Four things you do really piss me off, kid.
One, you talk about how important understanding is, but make no effort whatsoever to acknowledge the perspective of others, much less understand. As a side note: it seems to me that you use your fantasies of perfect objectivity to put between you and the others on these boards. News flash: the fantasy of perfect scientific objectivity is dead. Ask scientists and philosophers. Not me.
Two, and part of the above: radical hypocrisy. You are often guilty of committing the logical fallacies (and worse) that you accuse others of using (in the same thread no less).
Three, you forget that we are all people, as evidenced by your comments on the Rorschach thread.
Four, you are dishonest. For example: you clearly made a (honest) mistake in reading my post but do not acknowledge it. Instead you call it an "honest question" and turn the table on me, as if even asking me a question is a mistake.
Dude, I have no problem with debate. No problem with people seeing the world differently. The views, feelings, and ideas of others are wonderful to me, they are food for my own mind. I love to ask questions, and people who ask questions are my true brothers and sisters in this world.
But you, Samnell, you've drawn too much from the tolerance bank, AFAIC.
It's quite simple: if you carry yourself reasonably on these boards, and respect others, people will treat you with respect.
~Clap Clap Clap~
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So it's more a case of "we're too lazy to finagle with it"? Not that I have a problem with it, mind... if it's not broke don't fix it ;)Quick question: When Canada takes over, where are y'all going to go for health care? If Texas is part of Canada, we won't be a destination for chronic care any more...Canada is alarmingly decentralized in comparison to the United States. I'm sure Texas could find a way to be the only Canadian province with totally private health care.
The drafters of our constitution were influenced in part by your civil war and tried to give the provinces and the federal government relatively clear and water tight compartments of responsibility. Health care is mostly a provincial matter.
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The drafters of our constitution were influenced in part by your civil war and tried to give the provinces and the federal government relatively clear and water tight compartments of responsibility. Health care is mostly a provincial matter.
So your saying we taught you. What not to do. Ok I can handle that. As long as someone learns.
The drafters of our constitution were influenced in part by your civil war and tried to give the provinces and the federal government relatively clear and water tight compartments of responsibility. Health care is mostly a provincial matter.So it's more a case of "we're too lazy to finagle with it"? Not that I have a problem with it, mind... if it's not broke don't fix it ;)Quick question: When Canada takes over, where are y'all going to go for health care? If Texas is part of Canada, we won't be a destination for chronic care any more...Canada is alarmingly decentralized in comparison to the United States. I'm sure Texas could find a way to be the only Canadian province with totally private health care.
In addition to Robert's contribution, there is even more going on here. (As I have none of my resources here I can't cite the pertinent documents and cases to illustrate this, so please be understanding)
My understanding from my studies in poli sci is that in America state powers are more clearly defined, while in Canada, federal power is more clearly defined. As a consequence, added power has tended in opposite directions in our two countries. In Canada it tends toward provinces. In America it tends toward the feds.
So your saying we taught you. What not to do. Ok I can handle that. As long as someone learns.
The drafters of our constitution were influenced in part by your civil war and tried to give the provinces and the federal government relatively clear and water tight compartments of responsibility. Health care is mostly a provincial matter.
And our constitution was patriated in 1982. So we'd been watching you guys tussle for a while before laying it down.
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In addition to Robert's contribution, there is even more going on here. (As I have none of my resources here I can't cite the pertinent documents and cases to illustrate this, so please be understanding)My understanding from my studies in poli sci is that in America state powers are more clearly defined, while in Canada, federal power is more clearly defined. As a consequence, added power has tended in opposite directions in our two countries. In Canada it tends toward provinces. In America it tends toward the feds.
The courts used to favour the provinces, but it has shifted towards the feds since the establishment of the modern welfare state.
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Yes and no...
The provinces do have some very broadly drawn heads of power, like:
92(13). Property and Civil Rights in the Province or,
92(16). Generally all Matters of a merely local or private Nature in the Province.
In the early days the provinces (Ontario - because its premier Mowatt) managed to win some court battles that protected the provinces from the centralizing tendencies otherwise inherent in our constitution. Instead of a Federal government supported by subordinate Provincial governments that was probably envisioned by Mackenzie King we got two independent and equal governments (courtesy of Lord Watson and later Lord Haldane).
Being broad and general in nature makes it easy to fit things into them, but makes them vulnerable to being trumped by a more specific head of power on the other side.
Also, the federal government has most of the heads of power that matter the most - criminal, the army, the power to levy taxes on a much broader base, and lastly, a residual and arguably judicially created power to make laws for peace, order and good government (P.O.G.G. power :) ) - P.O.G.G. power lets the federal government trump provincial jurisdiction either temporarily in the case of an emergency, or permanently if something falls into a gap (not covered by the constitution at drafting) or a matter becomes a 'national concern'.
For instance, in R. v. Crown Zellerbach Can. Ltd., [1988] 1 S.C.R. 401, British Columbia lost the power to regulate pollution in its coastal waters because of the P.O.G.G. It was deemed that ocean dumping was a national concern and BC was no longer competent to deal with it. -- The supreme court has backed off from using POGG like this since Zellerbach, but it is lurking in the background.
I guess we have Trudeau to thank for that.
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I guess we have Trudeau to thank for that.Well, we can thank him for the charter -- the welfare state (sans universal health care), the legislative heads of power and pogg pre-date him :)
If only the current crop of parliamentarians could match Trudeau or Tommy Douglas in character.
Now, seriously, my American friends. Your heads are already spinning with this little bit of history. Do you really want to attack us? Then you'd have to learn all of it.
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Now, seriously, my American friends. Your heads are already spinning with this little bit of history. Do you really want to attack us? Then you'd have to learn all of it.I guess we have Trudeau to thank for that.Well, we can thank him for the charter -- the welfare state (sans universal health care), the legislative heads of power and pogg pre-date him :)
If only the current crop of parliamentarians could match Trudeau or Tommy Douglas in character.
Nah. We'll treat your history like we do ours.
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Now, seriously, my American friends. Your heads are already spinning with this little bit of history. Do you really want to attack us? Then you'd have to learn all of it.I guess we have Trudeau to thank for that.Well, we can thank him for the charter -- the welfare state (sans universal health care), the legislative heads of power and pogg pre-date him :)
If only the current crop of parliamentarians could match Trudeau or Tommy Douglas in character.
Nah. We'll treat your history like we do ours.
What change it until it fits what we want it to be?