Edit: If they are not on the summoner's spell list they have to have a target of "you", and reduce person does not have a target of "you"Read what share spell does again, there are two parts of it. One is that you can cast personal spells on it and the other is that you can cast spells on it that dont normally effect its type.
That foes not change the fact that Enlarge and Reduce person do not have a target of "you." Only spells that have a target of "you" can be cast on the eidolon via share spell.
That is incorrect, the caster level is set when the item is created and can be any level up to the creator's level with a minimum of the level needed to cast the spell. If the spell was considered cast by the creator they would be unusable.
That is what I said. If the creator's attributes are what determine the abilities for the wand or scroll then he is technically the one casting the spell. My paraphrase was not the same as the rules, but it leads to the same affect.
It is on the list along with enlarge person, so the summon can shrink the pet when needed or make it even bigger!
I did say it may have been overlooked by me
Read what share spell does again, there are two parts of it. One is that you can cast personal spells on it and the other is that you can cast spells on it that dont normally effect its type.
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Share Spells (Ex): The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “You” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself. A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider). Spells cast in this way must come from the summoner spell list. This ability does not allow the eidolon to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.
I beleive the bolded sections say I am correct.
Share Spells (Ex): The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “You” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself. A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider). Spells cast in this way must come from the summoner spell list. This ability does not allow the eidolon to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.
I beleive the bolded sections say I am correct.
ok.... so lets say that the second sentence isnt listing what else you can do with the ability and is instead just going on to continue a special part of the first sentence for some reason... take a look at the spell list, there are no spells with a target of "you" that can not be cast on an outsider.
Share Spells (Ex): The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “You” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself. A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider). Spells cast in this way must come from the summoner spell list. This ability does not allow the eidolon to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.
I beleive the bolded sections say I am correct.
ok.... so lets say that the second sentence isnt listing what else you can do with the ability and is instead just going on to continue a special part of the first sentence for some reason... take a look at the spell list, there are no spells with a target of "you" that can not be cast on an outsider.
A caster can not cast a spell with a target of "you" on any other creature unless it is legally able to benefit from the share other ability. That is why the "you" part is important.
Whether its an outsider or not has nothing to do with it.
Share Spells (Ex): The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “You” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself. A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider). Spells cast in this way must come from the summoner spell list. This ability does not allow the eidolon to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.Sorry, Wraithstrike, you're reading this wrong. If the rules meant what you're saying, it would be written like so:
Share Spells (Ex): The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “You” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself. Spells cast in this way must come from the summoner spell list, and may affect the Eidolon as long as they could affect the summoner. This ability does not allow the eidolon to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.The language clearly separates the effects of the individual sentences.
I already know they are separate. That was taken care in the rules sub-forum in another thread at least a week ago.
Edit: You simply misread my intentions.
Could someone sum your previous discussion? It got confusing. Can you use reduce person to shrink your Eidolon or no?
As long as reduce and enlarge person are on the summoner's list you can.
I did not check the list myself, but the other posters said they were on the list.
Could someone sum your previous discussion? It got confusing. Can you use reduce person to shrink your Eidolon or no?
Yeah, that was a little confusing. Yes, a summoner can shrink and grow his pet with reduce and enlarge person even though the pet is an outsider. If you plan on getting a large or huge one it means reduce person is pretty much a mandatory spell