Here's a fun little rogue build. A melee character that can do 187.55 DPR.
Edit. . . oops, I accidentally gave him 20 Dex instead of 22. lol editing. . . you can see the DPR as if I gave him +1 hit, it's now up to 204.6 DPR
Edit. . . OK, I don't have time to edit *EVERYTHING* to add +1 hit in, but you can plug in the numbers to get the proper +1 hit/+1 damage/extra attack.
elite array - elf
stats
14
20 (+2 racial) (+1 level) (+4 item)
12 (-2 racial) (+1 level)
14 (+2 racial)
10
8
feats/talents
1 - Martial Weapon Proficiency (ECB)
2 - Weapon Finesse (talent)
3 - Combat Expertise
4 - Weapon Focus (ECB) (talent)
5 - Power Attack
6 - Bleeding Attack (talent)
7 - Dodge
8 - Combat Trick (talent) - Mobility
9 - Spring Attack
10 - Feat (advanced talent) - Whirlwind
gear 62000
+3 ECB (18380)
+4 dexterity belt (16000)
+1 moderate fortification studded leather (50%) (16175)
+3 cloak of resistance (9000)
handy haversack (2000)
445 extra
full attack: +14/+9 (7 BAB + 5 Dex + 3 Weapon + 1 WF - 2 PA)
base damage: 1d10 + 12 (17.5), +17.5 on a crit
sneak attack damage: 5d6 + 5 bleed (22.5)
Chance to hit 24 AC ~ 10 (.55), 15 (.30)
Chance to threat ~ 18-20 (.15)
Chance to crit ~ 0.0825, 0.045
DPR without sneak attack, single target full attack
(.55 + .30 + .0825 + 0.045) * 17.5 = 17.10625
(.60 + .35 + .09 + 0.0525) * 17.5 = 19.11875, add +1 hit = 2.0125
(.55 + .30 + .0825 + 0.045) * 18.5 = 18.08375, add +1 damage = 0.9775
(.55 * 2 + .30 + .0825 * 2 + 0.045) * 17.5 = 28.175, add attack = 11.06875
DPR without sneak attack, two target Whirlwind
(.55 + .0825) * 2 * 17.5 = 22.1376
(.60 + .09) * 2 * 17.5 = 24.15, add +1 hit = 2.0125
(.55 + .0825) * 2 * 18.5 = 23.4025, add +1 damage = 1.265
No extra attack allowed
DPR without sneak attack, eight target Whirlwind (maximum)
(.55 + .0825) * 8 * 17.5 = 88.55
(.60 + .09) * 8 * 17.5 = 96.6, add +1 hit = 8.05
(.55 + .0825) * 8 * 18.5 = 93.61, add +1 damage = 5.06
No extra attack allowed
DPR with sneak attack, single target full attack
(.55 + .30) * 40 + (.0825 + 0.045) * 17.5 = 36.23125
(.60 + .35) * 40 + (.09 + .0525) * 17.5 = 40.49375, add +1 hit = 4.2625
(.55 + .30) * 41 + (.0825 + 0.045) * 18.5 = 37.20875, add +1 damage = 0.9775
(.55 * 2 + .30) * 40 + (.0825 * 2 + 0.045) * 17.5 = 59.675, add attack = 23.44375
DPR with sneak attack, two target Whirlwind
(.55 * 2) * 40 + (.0825 * 2) * 17.5 = 46.8875
(.60 * 2) * 40 + (.09 * 2) * 17.5 = 51.15, add +1 hit = 4.2625
(.55 * 2) * 41 + (.0825 * 2) * 18.5 = 48.1525, add +1 damage = 1.265
No extra attack allowed
DPR with sneak attack, eight target Whirlwind (maximum)
(.55 * 8) * 40 + (.0825 * 8) * 17.5 = 187.55
(.60 * 8) * 40 + (.09 * 8) * 17.5 = 204.6, add +1 hit = 17.05
(.55 * 2) * 41 + (.0825 * 2) * 18.5 = 48.1525, add +1 damage = 5.06
No extra attack allowed
I know this is somewhat offtopic, but I'm sure many of you guys would be interested in it. I've posted a homebrewed monk change Here and was hoping you could weigh in on it. (Particularly since I have two guys claiming core monks are OVERpowered.)
I saw it, but my brain is head so I did not want to comment on it. However, even with my brain being dead I think I can beat the logic of a monk being overpowered. Now I am all happy in anticipation of the nonsense I am about to read.
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This probably took more time than it will save.
DPR calculator, guys! Behold the bewildering bounty of bells, marvel at whistles beyond reckoning! Locked, but just save it to your own Google Docs account (you've all got those, right?). Blue fields are for data entry, red ones contain formulas. Not extensively tested, so let me know when you find the bugs. Or if I forgot anything.
This probably took more time than it will save.
DPR calculator, guys! Behold the bewildering bounty of bells, marvel at whistles beyond reckoning! Locked, but just save it to your own Google Docs account (you've all got those, right?). Blue fields are for data entry, red ones contain formulas. Not extensively tested, so let me know when you find the bugs. Or if I forgot anything.
I almost have this working entirely -- one issue. . .
I'm putting my rogue above in and trying to get the correct attack bonus to display in the table to the right. . .
BaB of +7
Finessed Dex mod of +6
Weapon enhancement bonus of +3 (I put this in misc. +hit/+dam)
Weapon Focus +1
Power Attack -2
This should be +15 -- to hit AC 24, I should roll a 9 to hit, which gives me a .60 chance to hit. But the table is saying I have a .55 chance? Is this right?
This probably took more time than it will save.
DPR calculator, guys! Behold the bewildering bounty of bells, marvel at whistles beyond reckoning! Locked, but just save it to your own Google Docs account (you've all got those, right?). Blue fields are for data entry, red ones contain formulas. Not extensively tested, so let me know when you find the bugs. Or if I forgot anything.
I almost have this working entirely -- one issue. . .
I'm putting my rogue above in and trying to get the correct attack bonus to display in the table to the right. . .
BaB of +7
Finessed Dex mod of +6
Weapon enhancement bonus of +3 (I put this in misc. +hit/+dam)
Weapon Focus +1
Power Attack -2This should be +15 -- to hit AC 24, I should roll a 9 to hit, which gives me a .60 chance to hit. But the table is saying I have a .55 chance? Is this right?
It is .6 by my math also. The table is saying you have 11/20 numbers to use to hit so its showing as .55, but if you can hit on any number between 9 and 20 and each one is 5% then it should be .60.
PS: If I am wrong I will blame someone else.
It is .6 by my math also. The table is saying you have 11/20 numbers to use to hit so its showing as .55, but if you can hit on any number between 9 and 20 and each one is 5% then it should be .60.
Yeah, if I add +1 to hit, everything works out the way I had above.
The flag values seem to work -- Power Attack works properly -- Weapon Focus works -- the +hit/+dmg values work properly. . . must be some global "off by one" error.
This tool rocks! I now know for sure whether or not Power Attack will lower my DPR or not!
For my rogue, it lowers my DPR by about half a point during normal full attack actions with sneak attack. For sneak attack Whirlwind Attacks, it ups the DPR by half a point.
So, in reality, this feat is worth less than 1 point of damage vs. this AC.
Without sneak attack, Power Attack becomes more powerful, adding +4 DPR.
So, assuming you're always trying to sneak attack and non-sneak attacks will be a minority of attacks, Power Attack is practically worthless.
Bah... off-by-5% hit calculation should be fixed now. I can't believe I got it right on the crit calculation but not the base hit calculation!
Edit: Also, permissions fixed I think. It doesn't seem to want to save the lock. I've made a back-up copy just in case, but please save your own copy before working with it.
Bah... off-by-5% hit calculation should be fixed now. I can't believe I got it right on the crit calculation but not the base hit calculation!
Edit: Also, permissions fixed I think. It doesn't seem to want to save the lock. I've made a back-up copy just in case, but please save your own copy before working with it.
Now it seems the "off by 1" bug is in the crit calculation. I have a threat range of 18-20 (.15). I have a chance to hit of .60 and .35 (iterative attacks). My crit chance should be 0.09, but it's showing 0.0825, the value I'd have if my +hit were -1. . .
Whoops... that's because the other half of the crit formula was a copy-paste of the hit formula, haha... fixing, one moment.
Edit: bah, won't let me copy between sheets... here's a new link, give it a shot?
Whoops... that's because the other half of the crit formula was a copy-paste of the hit formula, haha... fixing, one moment.
Edit: bah, won't let me copy between sheets... here's a new link, give it a shot?
It works! Thanks a bunch!
Added some annotations, fixed a typo in the main hand damage calculation (looks like it would have ignored all bonuses if there was no Str bonus), and added a crossbow mode (ignores negative strength) to the ranged cap. Added hover notes to a couple of fields to make sure their function is nice and clear.
And I might as well give this its own thread, now. :)
Very cool! I'll have to play with this toy over the weekend. Merry Christmas to me!
Thanks tejón!
PS: If I am wrong I will blame someone else.
You learn well graasshopah!
Merry Christmas to you all. Again, thanks for this thread A Man In Black
Looking forward to the the barbarian and Paladin
Kind regards
It's kind of sad that alchemist's fire is better than his bombs.For my own amusement, I did some of the same analysis for an alchemist.
Two-Weapon Thrower Alchemist:
Then be sad no longer! Pathfinder's version of "Quick Draw" explicitly states that you can't use it on alchemical items, so my analysis was a complete fraud. Hurray!
They aren't quite banned per say.But many GM's feel that the feats aren't designed to effectively double the money your spending, instead they rule that the feats allow you to get what you want, but keep the average wealth by level totals intact.
I normally say that item crafting feats are like selling your feat slots for gold.
However, if a DM interprets it this way, then it's like giving away your feat slots for nothing.
Ouch!
However, if a DM interprets it this way, then it's like giving away your feat slots for nothing.
That's what you get for building characters above level 1, you damn kids! ;)
Strictly speaking, most GMs are far too lenient with starting gold:
For a balanced approach, PCs that are built after 1st level should spend no more than 25% of their wealth on weapons, 25% on armor and protective devices, 25% on other magic items, 15% on disposable items like potions, scrolls, and wands, and 10% on ordinary gear and coins. Different character types might spend their wealth differently than these percentages suggest; for example, arcane casters might spend very little on weapons but a great deal more on other magic items and disposable items.
Yeah, there's some slip room built in there; but really, wealth-by-level "purchases" are supposed to be mostly things you've found during the adventures which got you to that level in the first place, and therefore balanced like placed loot. It's a wealth budget, not a gold budget. Kind of like if you've got a $500 TV and $40, you don't have $540 to spend. They don't accept TVs at the supermarket.
If you have an item creation feat, you can toss those rules out the window and spend every penny of your WBL on a single item if you want, because you can just sell everything else (for half price) and craft what you want (for half price). That's the advantage of taking them "before play." Meanwhile, they're also quite handy once you've actually started playing the character.
. .Full Attack Single Attack
DPR: 17.88 17.88
Per +1 to hit: 1.25 1.63
Per +1 damage: 0.72 0.72
Extra attack: 17.88
Huh... that's weird. Shouldn't those be the same? Should I go bug-hunting again? :)
Half-Elf Bard 9/Fighter 1
Racial Traits: +2 Any one score (Str); Medium Size; Speed 30 ft; Low-Light Vision; Adaptability (Skill Focus as bonus feat); Elf-Blood; Elven Immunities (immune to magic sleep effects, +2 vs. Enchantment); Keen Senses (+2 Perception checks); Multitalented (two favored classes- Bard, Fighter)
Class Features: Bardic Knowledge (+5), Bardic Performance (23 rounds/day, move action, Countersong, Distraction, Fascinate DC 18, Inspire Courage +2, Inspire Competence +3, Suggestion DC 18, Dirge of Doom, Inspire Greatness), Cantrips, Versatile Performance (Dance- Acrobatics, Fly; Oratory- Diplomacy, Sense Motive), Well-Versed (+4 saves vs. bardic performance, sonic, language-dependent effects), Lore Master (take 10 on Knowledge checks, take 20 1x/day); Bonus Feat (1)
Skills*: Climb 1 (+8/+10), Disable Device 10 (+14/+16), Knowledge (Local) 4 (+12/+14), Perception 10 (+14/+16), Perform (Dance) 5 (+11/+13), Perform (Oratory) 8 (+14/+16), Spellcraft 5 (+8/+10), Stealth 4 (+8/+10), Use Magic Device 9 (+15/+17)
Feats: Arcane Strike, Cleave, Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Skill Focus (Disable Device), Vital Strike, Weapon Focus (Greatsword)
Spells*: Bard (CL 9); 1st-6, 2nd-5 (4), 3rd-4
Spells Known: dancing lights, daze, detect magic, mage hand, prestidigitation, read magic; animate rope, cure light wounds, feather fall, hideous laughter, identify; cat's grace, glitterdust, heroism, rage; cure serious wounds, dispel magic, fear, haste
Gear: +2 mithral breastplate (+8 AC, +5 Max Dex, -1 Armor Check; 8,200 gp), +1 composite longbow (+6 Str bonus) (3,000 gp), +1 keen greatsword (8,350 gp), ring of protection +2 (8,000 gp), amulet of natural armor +2 (8,000 gp), belt of giant strength +4 (16,000 gp), cloak of resistance +2 (4,000 gp), handy haversack (2,000 gp), headband of alluring charisma +2 (4,000 gp), 450 gp of miscellaneous gear
Combat*: AC 24 (touch 14, flat-footed 22), 69.5 avg. hp, +14/+9 (+16/+11) greatsword (2d6+10 damage, 17-20/x2), Fort +8 (+10), Ref +10 (+12), Will +7 (+9), Init +6, CMB +13, CMD 25
*- second values include the effects of heroism (90 min duration; +2 morale bonus on attack rolls, skill checks, and saves)
Baseline combat: Round 1- activates Inspire Greatness on self as a move action (+2d10+2 hp- avg. 13, +2 competence bonus on attack rolls, +1 on Fort saves) and casts haste as a standard action (9 round duration; +30 ft enhancement bonus to speed, +1 untyped bonus on attack rolls, +1 dodge bonus to AC and Ref saves, one extra attack on full attack action), Round 2- maintains Inspire Greatness as a free action, draws greatsword and moves toward opponent(s) at 60 ft speed as a move action, activates Arcane Strike as a swift action (weapon gains +2 enhancement bonus on attack rolls and damage), and Power Attacks (-2 on attack roll, +6 on damage rolls) with either Cleave or Vital Strike, Round 3+- maintains Inspire Greatness as a free action, activates Arcane Strike as a swift action, and Power Attacks with a full-attack action. This can occur up to 4 times per day (haste), for up to 5-6 rounds average per fight (Bardic Performance); Arcane Strike and Power Attack are unlimited.
AC 25 (touch 15, flat-footed 22), 82.5 avg. hp, +19/+19/+14 greatsword (2d6+17 damage, 17-20/x2), Fort +11, Ref +13
h - chance to hit/confirm
ct - chance of critical threat
wd - weapon damage
cb - critical multiplied bonus (Str mod, enhancement bonus, Power Attack, etc.)
ncb - non-critical multiplied bonus
cm - critical multiplier
chb - critical hit bonus
The variation on the formula used in my post = h * ((wd + cb + ncb) + (ct * (((wd + cb) * (cm - 1)) + chb))). This lets you calculate damage per hit, as well as damage per attack.
This formula is derived as follows:
((h - ct) * (wd + cb + ncb)) + (ct * ((wd + cb + ncb) + (h * (((wd + cb) * (cm - 1)) + chb))) =
((h - ct) * (wd + cb + ncb)) + (ct * (wd + cb + ncb)) + (ct * h * (((wd + cb) * (cm - 1)) + chb))) =
(h * (wd + cb + ncb)) + (h * ct * (((wd + cb) * (cm - 1)) + chb))) =
h * ((wd + cb + ncb) + (ct * (((wd + cb) * (cm - 1)) + chb)))
With ncb and chb both at 0, this reduces to h * ((wd + cb) + ((ct * (cm - 1)) * (wd + cb)))
Combining wd and cb into d gives h* (d + ((ct * (cm - 1)) * d))
h= 80%/80%/55%
d= 24
ct= 20%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .8 * (24 + (.2 * 24)) + .8 * (24 + (.2 * 24)) + .55 * (24 + (.2 * 24)) = .8 * (24 + 4.8) + .8 * (24 + 4.8) + .55 * (24 + 4.8) = 23.04 + 23.04 + 15.84 =
Using a falchion (2d4+17 damage, 15-20/x2), instead of a greatsword:
h= 80%/80%/55%
d= 22
ct= 30%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .8 * (22 + (.3 * 22)) + 8 * (22 + (.3 * 22)) + .55 * (22 + (.3 * 22)) = .8 * (22 + 6.6) + .8 * (22 + 6.6) + .55 * (22 + 6.6) = 22.88 + 22.88 + 15.73 =
Both results are even better than the falchion fighter, showing why haste is such a must have combat buff. In addition to being a damage machine, he can act as the "face" (+14/+16 Diplomacy and Sense Motive checks, with Versatile Performance) and fill in for the rogue (+11/+13 Acrobatics and Fly checks with Versatile performance, +14/+16 Disable Device and Perception checks, +8/+10 Climb and Stealth checks).
The following requires GM approval to be able to maintain a Bardic Performance while under the effect of a rage spell:
If given a little warning and spending one more round preparing: Before combat- casts cat's grace (9 min duration; +4 enhancement bonus to Dex), Round 1- activates Inspire Greatness on self as a move action (+2d10+2 hp- avg. 13, +2 competence bonus on attack rolls, +1 on Fort saves) and casts haste as a standard action (9 round duration; +30 ft enhancement bonus to speed, +1 untyped bonus on attack rolls, +1 dodge bonus to AC and Ref saves, one extra attack on full attack action), Round 2- maintains Inspire Greatness as a free action, casts rage as a standard action (duration 9 rounds; +2 morale bonus to Str and Con, +1 on Will saves, -2 AC), draws greatsword and moves toward opponent(s) at 60 ft speed as a move action, Round 3+- maintains Inspire Greatness as a free action, activates Arcane Strike as a swift action, and Power Attacks with a full-attack action. This can occur up to 2 times per day (cat's grace and rage), for up to 11 rounds average per fight (Bardic Performance; 5-6 rounds if maintaing rounds for other fights); Arcane Strike and Power Attack are unlimited.
AC 25 (touch 15, flat-footed 22), 94.5 avg. hp, +20/+20/+15 greatsword (2d6+19 damage, 17-20/x2), Fort +12, Ref +15, Will +10
h= 85%/85%/60%
d= 26
ct= 20%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .85 * (26 + (.2 * 26)) + 85 * (26 + (.2 * 26)) + .6 * (26 + (.2 * 26)) = .85 * (26 + 5.2) + .85 * (26 + 5.2) + .6 * (26 + 5.2) = 26.52 + 26.52 + 18.72 =
Using a falchion (2d4+19 damage, 15-20/x2), instead of a greatsword:
h= 85%/85%/60%
d= 24
ct= 30%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .85 * (24 + (.3 * 24)) + 85 * (24 + (.3 * 24)) + .6 * (24 + (.3 * 24)) = 85 * (24 + 7.2) + 85 * (24 + 7.2) + .6 * (24 + 7.2) = 26.52 + 26.52 + 18.72 =
Oh, BTW,
Half-Elf Bard 9/Fighter 1
** spoiler omitted **Combat*: AC 24 (touch 14, flat-footed 22), 69.5 avg. hp, +14/+9 (+16/+11) greatsword (2d6+10 damage, 17-20/x2), Fort +8 (+10), Ref +10 (+12), Will +7 (+9), Init +6, CMB +13, CMD 25
*- second values include the effects of heroism (90 min duration; +2 morale bonus on attack rolls, skill checks, and saves)
I made an error on the base combat values: I forgot to include the +1 for the weapon's attack bonus; it should read "+15/+10 (+17/+11) greatsword." The rest of the blocks should be correct (calculated using Arcane Strike).
DPR using just Arcane Strike and Power Attack (+16/+11, 2d6+17, 17-20/x2):
h= 65%/40%
d= 24
ct= 20%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .65 * (24 + (.2 * 24)) + .4 * (24 + (.2 * 24)) = .65 * (24 + 4.8) + .4 * (24 + .48) = 18.72 + 11.52 =
activates Arcane Strike as a swift action (weapon gains +2 enhancement bonus on attack rolls and damage)
Arcane Strike is bonus damage only, not to-hit... and it's untyped, not enhancement.
activates Arcane Strike as a swift action (weapon gains +2 enhancement bonus on attack rolls and damage)Arcane Strike is bonus damage only, not to-hit... and it's untyped, not enhancement.
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Damn. I'll recalculate using +1 attack/+3 damage from weapon enhancement and Arcane Strike. I was using just +2 attack/+2 damage from Arcane Strike (I must have been conflating Arcane Strike and Shield Master).
DPR using just Arcane Strike and Power Attack (+15/+10, 2d6+18, 17-20/x2):
d= 25
ct= 20%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .6 * (25 + (.2 * 25)) + .35 * (25 + (.2 * 25)) = .6 * (25 + 5) + .35 * (25 + 5) = 18 + 10.5 = 28.5
With Inspire Greatness and haste:
AC 25 (touch 15, flat-footed 22), 82.5 avg. hp, +18/+18/+13 greatsword (2d6+18 damage, 17-20/x2), Fort +11, Ref +13
d= 25
ct= 20%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .75 * (25 + (.2 * 25)) + .75 * (25 + (.2 * 25)) + .5 * (25 + (.2 * 25)) = .75 * (25 + 5) + .75 * (25 + 5) + .5 * (25 + 5) = 22.5 + 22.5 + 15 = 60
Using a falchion (2d4+18 damage, 15-20/x2), instead of a greatsword:
d= 23
ct= 30%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .75 * (23 + (.3 * 23)) + 75 * (23 + (.3 * 23)) + .5 * (23 + (.3 * 23)) = .75 * (23 + 6.9) + .75 * (23 + 6.9) + .5 * (23 + 6.9) = 22.425 + 22.425 + 14.95 = 59.8
He's still does comparable damage to the falchion fighter in four combats (not rounds, combats) each day.
If allowed a little warning and can maintain a Bardic Performance while under the effect of a rage spell:
AC 25 (touch 15, flat-footed 22), 94.5 avg. hp, +19/+19/+14 greatsword (2d6+20 damage, 17-20/x2), Fort +12, Ref +15, Will +10
d= 27
ct= 20%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .8 * (27 + (.2 * 27)) + 8 * (27 + (.2 * 27)) + .55 * (27 + (.2 * 27)) = .8 * (27 + 5.4) + .8 * (27 + 5.4) + .55 * (27 + 5.4) = 25.92 + 25.92 + 17.82 = 69.66
Using a falchion (2d4+20 damage, 15-20/x2), instead of a greatsword:
d= 25
ct= 30%
cm= 2
DPR vs. AC 24 = .8 * (25 + (.3 * 25)) + 8 * (25 + (.3 * 25)) + .55 * (25 + (.3 * 25)) = .8 * (25 + 7.5) + .8 * (25 + 7.5) + .55 * (25 + 7.5) = 26 + 26 + 17.875 = 69.875
DCP, the rules are in the OP, c'mon.
Half-Elf Bard 9/Fighter 1
Baseline combat: Round 1- activates Inspire Greatness on self as a move action (+2d10+2 hp- avg. 13, +2 competence bonus on attack rolls, +1 on Fort saves) and casts haste as a standard action (9 round duration; +30 ft enhancement bonus to speed, +1 untyped bonus on attack rolls, +1 dodge bonus to AC and Ref saves, one extra attack on full attack action), Round 2- maintains Inspire Greatness as a free action, draws greatsword and moves toward opponent(s) at 60 ft speed as a move action, activates Arcane Strike as a swift action (weapon gains +2 enhancement bonus on attack rolls and damage), and Power Attacks (-2 on attack roll, +6 on damage rolls) with either Cleave or Vital Strike, Round 3+- maintains Inspire Greatness as a free action, activates Arcane Strike as a swift action, and Power Attacks with a full-attack action. This can occur up to 4 times per day (haste), for up to 5-6 rounds average per fight (Bardic Performance); Arcane Strike and Power Attack are unlimited.
That's why I added the second post with only Arcane Strike and Power Attack.
A single full attack. Classes with significant limited abilities, be they situational ones (favored enemy, sneak attack) or limited on a per-day basis (smite, Quickened Divine Favor), will have their damage figured out both with and without those limited abilities
The limitations are specified and all abilities are innate due to class features or spells cast, not consumable or per day items.
"Baseline" was also a poor choice of words; I should have used "usual" or "typical actions in."
Of course, the following just bones casters:
No class will be allowed any in-combat rounds to set up. Buffs are part of your baseline if you can apply them yourself, and they either have a duration of 10 min/level or longer or can be applied as a swift/immediate/free action
Perhaps limiting in-combat preparation to a single round? I note you included the effects of divine power (even though it can't be used under the ground-rules) on the archer cleric under "random factoids."
We have a two-handed weapon fighter and a two-weapon fighter, but not a two-weapon fighter using weapon/shield bash.
Human Fighter 10
Racial Traits: +2 Any one score (Dex), Medium Size, Speed 30 ft, Bonus Feat at 1st level, Skilled (+1 Skill Rank per level)
Class Features: Bonus Feats (6), Bravery +3, Armor Training 2 (normal speed in medium, heavy), Weapon Training (+2 Heavy Blades, +1 Close)
Skills: Craft (Armor) 5 (+8), Craft (Weapons) 5 (+8), Intimidate 5 (+7), Perception 10 (+11), Ride 5 (+11)
Feats: Combat Reflexes, Critical Focus, Double Slice, Greater Weapon Focus (Scimitar), Improved Bull Rush, Improved Shield Bash, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Power Attack, Shield Slam, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Scimitar), Weapon Specialization (Scimitar)
Gear: +2 full plate (5,650 gp), +1 bashing light steel shield with masterwork shield spikes (4,469 gp), masterwork composite longbow (+5 Str bonus; 900 gp), +2 keen scimitar (18,315 gp), ring of protection +1 (2,000 gp), amulet of natural armor +1 (2,000 gp), belt of giant strength +4 (16,000 gp), boots of striding and springing (5,500 gp), cloak of resistance +2 (4,000 gp), handy haversack (2,000 gp), 1166 gp for other equipment
Combat: AC 28 (touch 14, flat-footed 25), 79.5 avg. hp, +21/+16 scimitar or +17/+12 shield or +19/+16 and +15/+10 both, Fort +10, Ref +8, Will +6, Init +3, CMB +15 (+17 bull rush), CMD 28
((h1 - ct) * d) + (ct * (d + (h2 * (d * (cm - 1))))
h1- chance to hit
h2- chance to confirm critical
d- average damage
ct- chance of critical threat
cm- critical multiplier
Power Attacking gives +16/+11 scimitar (1d6+15, 15-20/x2) and +12/+7 shield (1d8+8, 20/x2), CMB +12 (+14)
h2= 85%/60% scimitar, 65%/40% shield
d= 18.5 scimitar, 12.5 shield
ct= 30% scimitar, 5% shield
cm= 2 for both
DPR vs. AC 24 = ((.65 - .3) * 18.5) + (.3 * (18.5 + (.85 * 18.5))) + ((.4 - .3) * 18.5) + (.3 * (18.5 + (.6 * 18.5))) + ((.45 - .05) * 12.5) + (.05 * (12.5 + (.65 * 12.5))) + ((.2 - .05) * 12.5) + (.05 * (12.5 + (.4 * 12.5))) = (.35 * 18.5) + (.3 * (18.5 + 15.725)) + (.1 * 18.5) + (.3 * (18.5 + 11.1)) + (.4 * 12.5) + (.05 * (12.5 + 8.125)) + (.15 * 12.5) + (.05 * (12.5 + 5)) = 6.475 + 10.2675 + 1.85 + 8.88 + 5 + 1.03125 + 1.875 + .875 = 36.25375
If using the Pathfinder Campaign Setting, switching to the falcata (16 gp, 1d6(S)/1d8(M), 19-20/x3, 4 lbs, Slashing), replacing Combat Reflexes with Exotic Weapon Proficiency and switching the order the feats are chosen, gives:
h2= 85%/60% falcata, 65%/40% shield
d= 19.5 falcata, 12.5 shield
ct= 20% falcata, 5% shield
cm= 3 falcata, 2 shield
DPR vs. AC 24 = ((.65 - .2) * 19.5) + (.2 * (19.5 + (.85 * 19.5 * 2))) + ((.4 - .2) * 19.5) + (.2 * (19.5 + (.6 * 19.5 * 2))) + ((.45 - .05) * 12.5) + (.05 * (12.5 + (.65 * 12.5))) + ((.2 - .05) * 12.5) + (.05 * (12.5 + (.4 * 12.5))) = (.45 * 19.5) + (.2 * (19.5 + 33.15)) + (.2 * 19.5) + (.2 * (19.5 + 23.4)) + (.4 * 12.5) + (.05 * (12.5 + 8.125)) + (.15 * 12.5) + (.05 * (12.5 + 5)) = 8.775 + 10.53 + 3.9 + 8.58 + 5 + 1.03125 + 1.875 + .875 = 40.56625
The two-weapon fighting, weapon/shield bash fighter really comes into its own at 11th level, when Shield Master is available (no more two-weapon penalties when using any shield, add the "shield bonus" to attack and damage rolls as an enhancement bonus). For illustrative purposes, if the 10th level fighter had been able to take Shield Master (remove Improved Bull Rush), then the results would be:
AC 29 (touch 14, flat-footed 26), +18/+13 scimitar (1d6+15, 15-20/x2) and +15/+10 large shield (2d6+9, 20/x2)
h2= 95%/70% scimitar, 80%/55% shield
d= 18.5 scimitar, 16 shield
ct= 30% scimitar, 5% shield
cm= 2 for both
DPR vs. AC 24 = ((.75 - .3) * 18.5) + (.3 * (18.5 + (.95 * 18.5))) + ((.5 - .3) * 18.5) + (.3 * (18.5 + (.7 * 18.5))) + ((.6 - .05) * 16) + (.05 * (16 + (.8 * 16))) + ((.35 - .05) * 16) + (.05 * (16 + (.55 * 16))) = (.45 * 18.5) + (.3 * (18.5 + 17.575)) + (.2 * 18.5) + (.3 * (18.5 + 12.95)) + (.55 * 16) + (.05 * (16 + 12.8)) + (.3 * 16) + (.05 * (16 + 8.8)) = 8.325 + 10.8225 + 3.7 + 9.435 + 8.8 + 1.44 + 4.8 + 1.24 = 48.5625
Switching to the falcata:
h2= 95%/70% falcata, 80%/55% shield
d= 19.5 falcata, 16 shield
ct= 20% falcata, 5% shield
cm= 3 falcata, 2 shield
DPR vs. AC 24 = ((.75 - .2) * 19.5) + (.2 * (19.5 + (.95 * 19.5 * 2))) + ((.5 - .2) * 19.5) + (.2 * (19.5 + (.7 * 19.5 * 2))) + ((.60 - .05) * 16) + (.05 * (16 + (.8 * 16))) + ((.35 - .05) * 16) + (.05 * (16 + (.55 * 16))) = (.55 * 19.5) + (.2 * (19.5 + 37.05)) + (.3 * 19.5) + (.2 * (19.5 + 27.3)) + (.55 * 16) + (.05 * (16 + 12.8)) + (.3 * 16) + (.05 * (16 + 8.8)) = 10.725 + 11.31 + 5.85 + 9.36 + 8.8 + 1.44 + 4.8 + 1.24 = 53.525
Which brings DPR up to Tempest Ted levels.
To use the example of the bard, he's almost certainly better off casting Heroism and Haste on someone with a baseline DPR higher than 30-ish. Thus, it's kind of silly to say, "Oh, bard DPR can keep up with the martial classes!" because the only way he can do that is to cast buffs on himself that would be better served being cast on classes with inherently high DPR.
Note that a Bard applying Heroism to himself for the purpose of this thread fits your criteria in your OP.
Heroism is a 10 min/level spell that the Bard can cast on himself.
Also note that in one level (level 11), the Bard could also apply Inspire Courage on himself (of course it's the whole party that benefits - but for the purpose of this thread) as a swift action, allowing it as well under the guidelines of the OP, for a +3/+3 that would stack with Heroism. (Level 10 is actually a particularly poor snapshot of a martial Bard)
Of course Bruiser the Bard is multiclass (fighter/bard), so it really isn't giving us the best picture of a Bard.
I'll maybe take a run at the build in the morning and see if I can do anything with it. Note that the Druid's Dan's DPR was heavily improved with some tweaking, although he was originally looking less offensively talented than the fighter builds.
(not that I expect any Bard build to be equivalent offensively to a fighter build)
Next up is a TWF paladin. Does anyone really care what the numbers are on a 2h paladin?
Of course
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OK, I decided to have a run at the Bard. I started from scratch since Bruiser is a multiclass.
Bill the Bow using Bard
Race: Elf
Ability Scores:
STR: 16 (+3) (+2 belt)
DEX: 22 (+6) (15 base, +2 racial, +1 level, +4 belt)
CON: 10 (+0)
INT: 12 (+1)
WIS: 8 (-1)
CHA: 16 (+3) (13 base, +1 level, +2 hat)
HP: 59 HP (10d8+10)
Saving Throws
Fort: +5 Ref:+15 Will:+8 (+4 to saves vs sonic, language dependant, and bardic perform)
AC: 24- Touch 17, Flatfooted 18(10+6 dex +6 armor, +1 natural, +1 Ring of Protection)
Class Abilities:
Spells of up to 4th level
Bardic Knowledge
Performance: (Countersong, Distraction, Fascinate, Inspire courage, Inspire competence, Suggestion, Dirge of Doom, Inspire greatness)
3 Versatile Performances
Well Versed
Lore Master
Jack of all trades
BAB: +7 CMB: +10 CMD: +20
Feats:
Point Blank Shot
Precise Shot
Rapid Shot
Arcane Strike
Manyshot
Skills:
Perform: Oratory (Versatile Performance: Diplomacy and Sense Motive)
Perform: Comedy (VP: Bluff and Intimidate)
Perform: Dance (VP: Acrobatics and Fly)
All Knowledges (all 10) at one Rank (For a +10 on each, and he can take twenty for an assured 30)
Use Magic Device
Perception
Stealth
Gear:
+3 composite longbow (+3 str mod) (18, 675 gp)
Belt of +4 dex , 2nd property +2 Str (16,000 gp)
+2 mithral shirt (5,100 gp)
Cloak of Resistance +2 (4,000 gp)
Handy Haversack (2,000 gp)
Ring of Protection +1 (2,000 gp)
Lesser Bracers of Archery (5,000 gp)
Hat of +2 cha (4,000 gp)
Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (2,000 gp)
3225 GP in various ammunition, adventuring gear, etc.
Precast Buffs: Heroism (10 min/level +2 to hit/damage)
Uses Arcane Strike, Rapid Shot, Manyshot
Attack bonus: +7 BAB, +2 Heroism, +1 Bracers, +1 PBS, +6 Dex, -2 Rapid Shot, +3 Enhancement
Attacks: Longbow: +18 (x2)/+18/+13 Damage average: 16.5 (4.5+3 Arcane St +3 Str +1 PBS +3 enchance +2 heroism)
3x(0.75)x16.5+(.65x.05x2x16.5x2)+1x(.50)x16.5+(.40x.05x2x16.5) = 48.18 DPR
Special Circumstances: Using a Bard, Bill should use round 1 to raise Inspire Courage and a Spell. If he uses round 1 for Inspire Courage and Haste (both full party buffs – good idea if there are a couple melee characters in the party), then Full Attack on round 2 looks like:
Attack bonus: +7 BAB, +2 Heroism, +1 Bracers, +1 PBS, +6 Dex, -2 Rapid Shot, +3 Enhancement, +2 Inspire courage, +1 Haste
Attacks: Longbow: +21 (x2)/+21/+21/+16 Damage average: 18.5 (4.5+3 Arcane St +3 Str +1 PBS +3 enchance +2 heroism, +2 Inspire Courage)
4x(0.9)x18.5+(.9x.05x2x18.5x3)+1x(.65)x18.5+(.65x.05x2x18.5) = 84. 82 DPR
So if Bill begins attacking on round 1, without casting or using inspire courage, his DPR is 48.18. Not fighter level damage, but still in the 50 range, which is higher than I expected.
However, if using tactical advice from this awesome Bard Guide I read ;), Bill instead uses round 1 to buff the whole party using inspire courage and Haste, on round 2 he begins attacking at DPR of 84.82 This means that at the end of round 2, Bill has done only 11.54 less damage on average than if he had been full attacking right from round 1, and he's significantly increased the rest of the party as well.
Imagine Bill the Bow using Bard plus Falchion Fred plus Jack B. Nimble (flanking with Falchion Fred). Falchion Fred and Jack B. Nimble delay action (if necessary) for Bill to go first on round 1.
By the end of round 2 pretty much any halfway appropriate CR creature is dead.
OK, I decided to have a run at the Bard. I started from scratch since Bruiser is a multiclass.
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How can he have a +2 belt and a +4 belt? Perhaps I'm wrong but isn't a Belt of Physical Might is +2 or +4 or +6?
I may have to reconsider recommending TWF as the paladin fighting style of choice
We have a paladin with a greatsword. He is just fine.
Edit. So it would be interesting to see how a paladin with a Falchion would turn out.